India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

Not to worry the US government and FBI will solve this case...

(CBS/AP) U.S. officials are worried about a possible surge in violence between India and Pakistan after the bloody attacks in Mumbai that killed at least 195 people, including six Americans. To ease tensions, intelligence officials are searching urgently for clues that might identify the attackers even as Indian officials claim "elements in Pakistan" were involved.

FBI agents were preparing to fly to India to investigate the bloody attacks in the Indian financial capital as the State Department warned U.S. citizens still in the city that their lives remain at risk.

A U.S. counterterrorism official said some "signatures of the attack" were consistent with the work of Pakistani militant groups known as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed that have fought Indian troops in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir and also are reported to be linked to al Qaeda.

But the official emphasized it was premature to pinpoint who was responsible for the attacks. Another official, specializing in counterintelligence, also cautioned against rushing to judgment on the origins of the gunmen who waged a two-and-a-half-day rampage through India's leading commercial center before being killed.

www.cbsnews.com...

That last paragraph is interesting, don't rush to judgement until we figure out who we want you to blame?

Originally posted by 27jd
Token, do Pakistanis feel the need to protect the religious extremists that seem hell bent on bringing war to your country?

Pakistanis themselves are victims of these extremists so why would they wana protect them? These extremists have probably killed more muslims in pakistan compared to india.

Originally posted by t0ken
Pakistanis themselves are victims of these extremists so why would they wana protect them? These extremists have probably killed more muslims in pakistan compared to india.

Yet you continue to speak against India only and never against these terroists.

Good Job!

Hmmm.. my theory is that Pakistan was involved and that the ISI had to become the scrapegoat of the situation. Unfortunately, Indian managed to intercept the terrorist communications and found out who was really behind it. Does what I am saying make sense?

What do you guys think?

We will know the results in time to come hopefully before war comes.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by t0ken
Ever heard about hindus,sikhs,christians being ethnically cleansed in pakistan with the support of police and politicians?

LOL, oh i've heard much worse than just that

Originally posted by t0ken
Why doesn't india let Kashmir go to form its own independant state if kashmiris dislike both india and pakistan?The hindu pandits feel that they own kashmir when its a muslim majority.

Hindu Pandits????????
Kashmir is a beautiful place and contributes to india's economy

Its sad for kashmiris I agree on that and something needs to be done
but Pakistan should have nothing to do with that resolution
so get out of the way

once again kashmiris don't like Pakistan
and muslim indians don't like Pakistan because of the partition

so why do act as if they are on your side?

Kashmiris are being terrorised, oppressed, raped, killed, tortured, mutilated, sterilised on a DAILY basis by the Indian Gov forces.

Who 'likes' who is just part of your imagination and thoughts derived from sold out politicians and leaders on ALL sides...

IT IS A PAKISTAN ISSUE because Kashmir (Muslim majority) should have been partitioned to Pakistan but the British intentionally sowed the seeds for what is going on today.

What's needed is for Indian Hindu Terrorists to stop terrorising the Kashimiri people and then perhaps they won't mind whether they are administered by India or Pakistan.

India however has continued it's campaign of terror on the people of Kashmir and media are now silent about it.... (no surprises there).

P.S. Ask your friend Google about the terrorists actions being perpetrated on the Kashimiri people, see some pics too. Oh, but that's fine I hear you say! They are Muslims...

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jinni]

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sir .. with all due respect.. the Indian ppl have suffered terrorism for a long time and have been patient for the same time.. Other countries have acted to such attacks much sooner..
Patience is already a virtue with the Indian people.. and it has running out for the last 2 decades..

Well, it sounds like the Indian and Pakistani governments are still in pretty good cooperation over this. That is one good sign that maybe this thing won't completely spiral out of control.
They need to get the Kashmir dispute settled. I don't have any idea what that would involve, but this sniping from both sides has got to stop.
There is too much at risk in this area for any government to condone operations against one another. Officials still seem to be up in the air as to who is exactly behind it, but all signs point to LeT. Insane, I tell ya.
Off to see what the British government is saying about their possible link to some of the terrorists.

Does anybody have anything concrete that links Lashkar-e-Taiba to Al-Qaeda? The reason I ask is because I've read something (and this is just one expert's opinion) that Al Qaeda couldn't have had any knowledge of this attack beforehand.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Originally posted by t0ken
Pakistanis themselves are victims of these extremists so why would they wana protect them? These extremists have probably killed more muslims in pakistan compared to india.

Exactly. The tribal regions are out of control, and they welcome with open arms extreme criminal foreigners who see the moderate muslims of Pakistan as targets to be exploited for their gain. They could care less if India and Pakistan go to war, and in fact would probably welcome it. You're country would do well to get those animals under control, and if you're army is too divided or even infiltrated by some of these extremists, then it shouldn't hurt your pride to let us in there to mop things up a bit. The US has been catching alot of hell from Pak because we use our predators to hit the guys who hit us, then run back across the border to safety. That crap has to stop. If you don't want them to taste mechanized death from above, then let us in to be more discriminate in who we waste. Your uncivilized dogs need to be beaten into submission so they stop attacking your neighbors.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Officials still seem to be up in the air as to who is exactly behind it, but all signs point to LeT. Insane, I tell ya

LeT denied any involvement, which is strange for a terrorist group, isn't it? Unless their balls dropped off after the attacks begun...

violence and chaos are useful tools for the powerful and wealthy. it directs blame and scrutiny away from themselves, onto people who are more ignorant and naive. any violent or chaotic action should be examined by a well-known axiom..."who stould to gain, and who stould to lose?"

1st question...what did those men (or the people behind them) that attacked india gain?

2nd question...who will gain by a response from india?

these 2 questions must lead any investigation that should be conducted by the leaders of pakistan and india.

the same axiom should be used in the 9/11 bombing, british subway bombing, spain's railway bombing, indonisian nightclub bombing, etc.

every one of these violent acts, needs money. and that is where the focus should be, no matter how high it may lead. and the people that spend this money do not do it foolishly, because they are the ones that ultimately gain.

Originally posted by Jinni

Kashmiris are being terrorised, oppressed, raped, killed, tortured, mutilated, sterilised on a DAILY basis by the Indian Gov forces.

FYI

news.bbc.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...

Need to keep one's house in order before pointing fingers elsewhere..
Such acts are inevitable in prolonged military occupations..
Stop the proxy war and the insurgency.. both parties can then withdraw and let these people live in peace...

Who 'likes' who is just part of your imagination and thoughts derived from sold out politicians and leaders on ALL sides...

true.. no denying that.. politicos are dirty on both sides..

IT IS A PAKISTAN ISSUE because Kashmir (Muslim majority) should have been partitioned to Pakistan but the British intentionally sowed the seeds for what is going on today.

The British sowed seeds for partition(and creation of Pakistan) which should never have happened. The biggest shame was the majority of Muslims decided to stay back in India, even after partition..Must hurt no?

India has more Muslims than India.. than anyone else in the world in fact, except Indonesia.
But whatever.. if you want to go the 'religious state' route please do.. Other countries have better things to .. like develop, industrialize and stretch the boundaries of science..its human evolution called.. and Religious Statehood has been targeted by natural selection for extinction.
Sorry to break the news to you.

Kashmir is not up for grabs.. deal with it..

What's needed is for Indian Hindu Terrorists to stop terrorising the Kashimiri people and then perhaps they won't mind whether they are administered by India or Pakistan.

What about Kargil? Who's fault was that?

India however has continued it's campaign of terror on the people of Kashmir and media are now silent about it.... (no surprises there).

Like I said .. it happens on the other side too.. Prolonged military occupation should never happen.. but if people keep pouring in from across the border with sinister motives then the 'people' are not safe anyways..

P.S. Ask your friend Google about the terrorists actions being perpetrated on the Kashimiri people, see some pics too. Oh, but that's fine I here you say! They are Muslims...

Waiting for your answers on the atrocities committed by the Pak Army on Kashmiris on your side of the border..
Nobody is absolving India of its sins.. but everyone is a causal entity and nobody have moral ground over the other..

Hey Jay-in-AR,

lookie here www.ndtv.com...

Saw that one coming a mile away.. actually 15-20 pages ago


[edit on 29-11-2008 by Daedalus3]

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Al-Qaeda may impart indirect training/funding or general mentoring.. or may just 'bless' such operations..
What do you need in terms of direct links/proof? Trying to help out here..
I'm not saying that there is incontrvertible evidence.. I'm just saying that it is at least a case of 'usual suspects'.

www.nowpublic.com...

Here is a pretty good study on what exactly this attack could forecast. Not good. These people outline how the United States and the Indians will be forced to act, regardless the truth of the matter.

I found this excerpt pretty telling and in fact, I am already reading sentiments expressing these views on a few blogs.
“This will be even more intense if it turns out, as currently seems likely, that Americans and Europeans were being held hostage in the two hotels that were attacked. If the attacks are traced to Pakistan, American demands will escalate well in advance of inauguration day [of Obama].”



[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

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That link brings me to a reply page.

I was just curious if someone had something that links the two. It appears that Al-Qaedas no. 2 man just released some tape or something and he makes no mention of India at all. Some expert was talking about how this is pretty convincing, at least in his mind, evidence that Al-Qaeda was not involved. I was just thinking about the level of involvement between the two organizations. Because if Al-Qaeda was directly involved in planning or funding, I would expect they would know about the attack.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by t0ken

Yet you continue to speak against India only and never against these terroists.

Good Job!

How does supporting Pakistan=supporting terrorists?

I stand with Pakistan, its army and ISI.India tries to mix them which makes it a dangerous combination.

Pakistan and ISI hit Indian military targets in Kashmir/border regions because they want to gain those grounds and also resist indias attempt to ethnically cleanse Muslims in Kashmir. Killing civilians and disrupting indias economy won’t serve any purpose for either ISI or Pakistan. And it also doesn’t make sense that Pakistan planned such well organised attack at a time where Pakistan is at a brink of civil war with these terrorists.


[edit on 29-11-2008 by t0ken]

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I never said we must not act.
All i meant was for us to be cautious and not jump to conclusions like the media was.
I AM an indian and i had friends near those buildings. Me and my friends used to hang out outside CST and it "£$%s me off to see it like this.
I am all for finding out who planned this and giving them the most painfull death we can.
BUT we do not want any more innocent lives lost either.
The situation needs to be carefully analysed and taken care off.
If the media( Mainly CNN ibn) keeps yappering and making their own accusations about whose heads should roll things could get even worse.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by raptorinvictus]

Originally posted by Daedalus3
Hey Jay-in-AR,

lookie here www.abovetopsecret.com...

Saw that one coming a mile away.. actually 15-20 pages ago

Hey your link leads to nowhere!

I think it is pretty clear that the Government of Pakistan has no reason to want to attack Mumbai like this.
I don't know why people would think Token is apologizing for the actions of lunatics. The Pakistani Government has been very open with the Indian Government since this started. And the Pakistani citizens have been very worried.

The Kashmir thing needs to be resolved and in a big way, but this isn't about the Kashmir dispute. This is a destabilization campaign.

reply to www.abovetopsecret.com.../forum/thread414924/pg88 #pid5394161" target="_blank" class="postlink">post by Daedalus3


The entire reason they are the 'usual suspects' is to incite fear into the masses. Al-queda may have had nothing to do with this or may have, yet there name will always be used because it carries the weight of fear with it.

-Ig0RanT