India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

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Precision Air Strikes (if updated intel is there) and/or special operations against targets (again only with updated intel) would require no more than 4-5 hours to prep and execute..

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Yeah, metropolitan investigators - mostly likely SO-13. If anti-terrorist police are being sent then S0-13 will implemented by the Indian forces.

At a minimum any foreign forces sent over will be there to get their nationals back home as quick as possible, so while they're there, they may as well send the marines/SAS as well.

Originally posted by Freeborn

It is so sad and predictable that someone would blame the UK / USA etc, in fact anyone other than themselves.
Pathetic!

Charlie Wilson's War is a good watch sir.. well recommended.

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You wouldn't hear about it for political reasons. The Indian population may feel insulted and condemn their own security forces if foreign resources are required.

Originally posted by gooberiffic
Again does any poster have an example of where any other specops dealt with such a situation to give them such a superhuman reputation.

An incident that comes to mind personally, is Mogadishu. Although we did get our butts kicked politically (which is usually the only way we lose conflcts, just being honest), our guys were fighting an entire city, and still apprehended the men they went in for. I'm sure India has some good soldiers, but if you're denying that the US and UK have the most highly trained spec op forces along with superior technology backing them, there's no point in arguing. I'm sure you will say Michael Phelps isn't really a great swimmer as well.



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Conflicting reports about the Taj hotel.

Some say the ordeal is over, yet other saying new shots have been fired.

Is this ever going to end? The Battle of Mumbai has been going on for almost 24 hours now!

To whoever said it was being reported the Brits are on the way, can you give a link please?

I heard earlier on in the day from Royal Marines at RM Condor, Scotland, that they were hearing from freinds who are in the area that they were preparing to go in to the city. obviously i cant back this up with a link. but also the BBC was reporting on TV that the marines were going poised to "attack".

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Thats exactly what I find surprizing...its lasted this long.Thats kinda mind blowing.I am still waiting to see how many guys in total did this.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by gooberiffic
Again does any poster have an example of where any other specops dealt with such a situation to give them such a superhuman reputation.

An incident that comes to mind personally, is Mogadishu. Although we did get our butts kicked politically (which is usually the only way we lose conflcts, just being honest), our guys were fighting an entire city, and still apprehended the men they went in for. I'm sure India has some good soldiers, but if you're denying that the US and UK have the most highly trained spec op forces along with superior technology backing them, there's no point in arguing. I'm sure you will say Michael Phelps isn't really a great swimmer as well.

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It isn't a question of who is better than whom. The question is are US/UK specops personnel so much better that India will give up its pride as a sovereign country and ask for them to take over.
Mogadishu is not comparable. There there were no hostages to protect and you had helos strafing the neighborhoods. Very, very different. Also it took a very long time for them to get out of there.

Originally posted by shmo5
BBC news is reporting that british anti-terrorism specialists are on there way to assist the mumbai police and indian comandos.

Thank God! It does appear they need some help! What did the U.S. say? Oh yeah, Bush condemns this action.

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Yes the US and SAS are far superior to India's CT group. SAS invented the role. They are the ones who train everybody. I believe if India does not ask for help it will look a million times worse to the general population than if they do.

Worth keeping in mind that at this point the number of US/UK citizens killed is miniscule. Most of the casualties are local.

Originally posted by gooberiffic
Worth keeping in mind that at this point the number of US/UK citizens killed is miniscule. Most of the casualties are local.

Absolutely... India has lost 80+ citizens, about 14 of these were police and three of them high ranking anti-terror officers and chiefs.

No wonder morale is low. Shame on the people cursing the Indian authorities.

Also I hasten to add, that it is very suspicious that the anti-terror chiefs have been killed (unless they themselves were out on the front line) and then that's even less of a reason to insult them.

Peace be with India.

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Very true.

Does anyone have any info on the number of hostages being held, if any?

Originally posted by Raustin
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Yes the US and SAS are far superior to India's CT group. SAS invented the role. They are the ones who train everybody.

I am well aware of the history of the SAS. They don't "train everybody" but will consult on occasion. We'll see what actually goes down.

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I'm surprised you have not heard of the Iranian Embassy seige in London 1980 which was ended expertly by the SAS.

en.wikipedia.org...

Seems like the most similar situation.

Worth a read. Sorry for the short reply.

Originally posted by gooberiffic
It isn't a question of who is better than whom.

Being better trained and better equipped gives an obvious tactical advantage, it's not about being who being better than whom. I'm sure there are many very dedicated and good Indian soldiers that if properly trained and equipped would fight right along side US and UK spec op teams. It's not about a superiority complex, it's about training and equipment, and our spec op teams have ALOT more money dumped into theirs than Indian teams. They train heavily for these situations constantly, and on the flip side, can you name a similar incident in the US or UK that dragged on this long? It shouldn't be a pride issue, India is an ally of the US for the most part, and I would support our guys helping our friends squash those bastards.

Mogadishu is not comparable. There there were no hostages to protect and you had helos strafing the neighborhoods. Very, very different. Also it took a very long time for them to get out of there.

I agree it is different, it was the only somewhat similar incident I could think of. If you remember, we went in to catch some of Aidid's top guys, and we did. The low helos were also the reason it took as long as it did, our guys were on the way out and had to go back to rescue the crew of the downed one. But as far as sheer numbers against them and level of skill in holding them off in a constant hail of bullets, our guys did very well. But that is another topic and we dont have to agree. I'm sure we can agree this is a bad situation in India.