India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

Death 200

wounded over 400

Death 200

wounded over 400

Also 8 kilos of RDX found. Look like the intent was to detonate the ordinance in the hotel.

Let's hope this is all they have!

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
I'm sorry, but this thing is reading like a damned James Bond plot. People ESCAPING from the hospital THEY were holding hostage in a POLICE VAN? Then driving it down the road shooting people randomly, presumably on their way to their next objective? Police Headquarters under siege? HAND GRENADES?!!! This is military all the way! Nigerian "terrorist" gang, my ass.

Do you think terrorists are all monkeys from 3rd world jungles or something?

Give me a break man.

The training received in the world's military isn't some big secret. You can buy books about these things or create your tactics - or get them from formally trained military who wrote books and operate training camps.

What planet do you live on?

reply to post by mr-lizard

Thank you for this reply!

I am an Indian and have tons of Muslim friends. We are Indians first and foremost and the majority of Indians do not support extremism in any form.

From the second I saw this report...I told everyone this will be blamed on Pakistan. It only makes sense. What I wonder is if this is truly a "terrorist attack" or if this is a staged attack. I am really leaning towards a staged event for a variety of reasons.

#1. Very well coordinated which always makes me wonder.

#2. The targeting of Westerners. Pakistan and India have a long long history. To single out Westerners instead of locals screams to me covert ops. If it was really Pakistan, you'd expect them to go after their rivals... the people of India.

#3. One report I was reading on my cell phone went on to speak of explosions and random gunfire all through out the night. That makes no sense to me. You had hostages in the hotels, your "terrorist" holed up in other areas. Gunfire popping up elsewhere at later times in the evening again screams to me covert ops.

#4. I am seeing some similarities in these attacks with what has been reported and rumored with attacks in Iraq. For example... Private Contractors and security forces driving by and shooting at civilians etc etc. Some of these attacks are like mirror images of what we have heard about happening in Iraq. It makes me thing again...covert ops.

In any event, I really feel for the people in that area and I wish them well. I hope I am just a conspiracy nut and way off base and that this is not a manufactured "terrorist" attack, but it just does not seem right. I can not completely put my finger on what it is that is standing out to me, but something just feels wrong about it.

reply to post by logician magician


I live on the planet where we train for MOUT warfare and REALIZE that SIXTY PERCENT of soldiers attacking an urban terrain are not coming out.

The simple fact that these people are as efficient as they are speaks VOLUMES to their soldiering ability.

PS. I've also stated that I see NO DIFFERENCE in what you call a "terrorist" and I call a soldier, but I guess we'll just have to disagree on this without having a separate discussion.

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[edit on 26-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

[edit on 27-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Originally posted by Fatality
They say they came by boat and took jeeps from the police and so. Where did they come from?

Didn't India just confront some pirates in near Somalia? Perhaps the sphere of influence these pirates have is underestimated and they've played some part in the attacks. Likely not, but they were fighting each other across the Indian Ocean just last week.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by beaverg]

Originally posted by douglas2k4
Blowback from the "British Raj" perhaps?

Yes indeed, the Raj fueled the fire between Muslims and Hindus knowing fully well that the memory of more than a 1000 years of Muslim rule on Hindustan will always fester in some Indian minds.

One more thing that stands out to me....

If you control Pakistan... you pretty much completely surround Iran and cover every boarder

From what i see from the developments overnight is that this is a very well planned attack on Mumbai which seems to be organized by ISI and the islamic extremists and also Mumbai Underworld don Dawood Ibrahim who operates his business from Karachi and surrounding areas in Pakistan. It is a known fact that Dawood has his rats in the Mumbai Police and eliminating the three top cops which were an obstacle to his empire seems a valid point and this could help him reestablish his dwindling empire in mumbai's underworld, also it is speculated that the terrorist arrived at the Gateway of India in a boat which originates in Karachi, and Dawood also played a major role in the 1993 Bomb Blasts in mumbai during which similar boats arrived from Pakistan containing RDX and were anchored in the port at alibaug about 3 hours from mumbai..

I see a clear connection that the extremists,dawood and the ISI are working together this time as they had before...

reply to post by Leo Strauss


8 kilos of RDX?? Or C-4? If it's pure RDX, that's a huge amount. In what form I wonder?

If, indeed, they're using uncombined RDX (and I don't trust the media to necessarily report correctly) it's is a huge red flag. Due to the nuclear-capable brisance, that stuff's pretty tightly controlled.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by logician magician

 

I live on the planet where we train for MOUT warfare and REALIZE that SIXTY PERCENT of soldiers attacking an urban terrain are not coming out.

A surprise attack isn't exactly urban warfare. Sixty percent of military personnel don't come out because they don't know who the enemies are. This terrorist group obviously didn't have that problem. This group also doesn't seem to be attempting to secure anything substantial. Now, if there were plain clothes fighters walking around, IEDs, and manned sniper posts waiting for them - they wouldn't have been as successful. They were not engaged in urban warfare, but urban slaughter.

PS. I've also stated that I see NO DIFFERENCE in what you call a "terrorist" and I call a soldier, but I guess we'll just have to disagree on this without having a separate discussion.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by MrWendal
I hope I am just a conspiracy nut and way off base and that this is not a manufactured "terrorist" attack, but it just does not seem right. I can not completely put my finger on what it is that is standing out to me, but something just feels wrong about it.

You are most definitely a conspiracy nut, just like a huge percentage here on ATS.

Its a lot like 9/11. Its an expansive, complicated operation, one that is difficult to stage and fabricate for a foreign entity. The ability for the conspirators to not only achieve their objectives and also achieve their intended effects is next to impossible. If I were a conspirator, I would recognize this is one conspiracy, false flag, what have you, that is impossible to execute without suffering some major consequences. Its damn near suicidal for anybody to stage an attack like this as part of a conspiracy.

BTW, it should not seem right and something should indeed feel wrong about it. It was a massacre and hundreds of people died. The world is a very dangerous place.

If that's not enough to make things feel wrong, then I don't know what will. Immedietely assuming conspiracy, crying conspiracy without any cause, and simply bringing up conspiracy will prevent further attacks from happening and further bloodshed.

It was good to see one of India's ministers saying they need to avoid doing what the United States did, and they will make sure they figure out who it was, and why, before they take any action.

At least someone's keeping a level head.

Until then, I would hope they plan on locking the city down for the night.
Damn, these [snip] are good. So many casualties in such a short time...

The city was in peace times... nothing more than your standard police patrolling as if it were any other day.
They didn't stand a chance.


I know western media claims it has the hallmarks of Al-Qaeda... but quite frankly... western media doesn't know [snip] If they're right, they're only right by chance.

This feels more like an upstart group. Likely a radical racist front... think Nazi skinheads, only, white people are the new Blacks and Muslims. One heck of a first introduction if you ask me.

The part that leaves everyone feeling rather impotent is that these guys expected to die. Meaning, killing them doesn't really bring any form of retribution.
I hope they make them suffer if they do detain any alive.




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reply to post by Ian McLean


Eight Kilos of C-4 is a TREMENDOUS amount, as you're probably aware. More than enough to level that entire city. Plus two or three more. You are right, I wouldn't trust that as far as I could kick it, and that ain't very far without a broken foot.

reply to post by logician magician


Initially yes. However, once SWAT and other specialist forces arrive on the scene, it becomes Urban Warfare. Doesn't seem to matter with these guys, they just slip out behind them and nab their rides. This is an elite force, and I'll believe that no matter what is said on this discussion forum.

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I agree. You would have to be going into such an attack thinking you won't see tomorrow. However, the fact that we are hearing reports that they are simply escaping brings odd thoughts to my head.
You're right, they are damned good.

This is what I found and it was confirmed by CNN moments ago.

RDX can be used in nuclear explosives.

From CNN...

From CNN:

Authorities found 8 kilograms (17 pounds) of RDX, one of the most powerful kinds of military explosives, at a restaurant near the Taj, indicating that the attackers may have been planning more attacks

Guys i will tell you i have not read all the post so i'm sure you would have this live feed but here is the link

www.ndtv.com...

This is shocking