He Touched A UFO! Sgt Penniston's Account!

Burrows so-called blue orb story takes place when he's left behind as Penniston goes on alone to inspect the triangular object.

Actually, this incident took place on the second night of the incident. The 'blue orb' story has nothing to do with Jim Penniston. There were no light-alls in the forest during the first encounter (with Penniston, Burroughs and Cabansag). Nor was Adrian Bustinza present.

"I woke about about three in the morning. For whatever reason, I thought something may be happening. I don't know why, I just woke up and thought something had come back. It was a gut feeling. I went ahead and got up, I went back to the base."

"All of a sudden, a couple of blue transparent lights appeared in the sky. One of them broke towards us. Passing the light-alls, they came on. It passed through the open window on the truck, going off into the distance, and the light-alls went out... the only time the light-alls were working when I saw them was when the light passed them. I have no idea what caused the light-alls to come on and off like that, apart from the blue light flying past."

You'll see I mentioned Adrian Bustinza, and I will explain why. Adrian Bustinza and John Burroughs claim to have been 'caught' in one of the flying blue lights. I assume that both men tried to chase the object/light down. Here's a quote from John Burroughs:

"Bustinza and I were running together and he fell down and I kept running. As I was getting close to it all of a sudden it was gone and I was just standing in the field. I dont know what happened. Bustinza told me he was knocked down and held down afterwards he stated he could not stand up until after what ever it was was gone and I was standing alone in the field.

Halt's party was behind us several hundred yards. Halt was the one who stated down the line that I was on top of something; Bustinza said that I disapeared into it. I have no idea what happened.

OK, so Burroughs was on top of 'something'? Larry Warren, another crucial witness to the incident said this:

"John Burroughs, after I'd left the area, headed back to Woodbridge totally screwed up over what I had seen or thought I had seen. John Burroughs had in front of him and Sgt. Bustinza, who did not return with me, a triangular object much smaller than the one I've just described here, appeared right in the mist of the men returning.

John Burroughs was in civilian clothing. He had gone through the first night of events and I shouldn't be telling this story, but this is verbatim - as he told it to me - and it hasn't been reproduced accurately so far.
He literally, if you've heard of someone grabbing an object, John Burroughs did so. He grabbed it, it was this small [Larry stretches his arms out, forming a circle], so he could literally reach around it. It moved ten metres with him holding on to it, and he's suffered severe health problems, no matter what he says, because of that."

In my opinion, John Burroughs actually is one of the cases' most credible witnesses. He really 'says it as it is' and is not afraid of telling the truth, whatever it may be.

Again, I am aware that this post may be hard to digest, but it needed to be said.

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I refuse to believe that contradictory testimony proves that this story is bogus. If we can't believe these high ranking officers, who have since been promoted many times by the way, then who can we believe?

Penniston and Halt are definitely both genuine and honest people, it's starting to become quite tiresome hearing that everything is disinformation. Isn't the purpose of disinfo to deviate us from the truth?

The governments(both UK and US) have been very hush hush about this incident in particular. Col. Halt and the others haven't even been briefed on the incident, till this day.

I don't think this technology is human, what evidence is there to support that notion? .. the Roswell and Rendelsham cases share the symbols in common(among other cases) .. so what would be the point of placing hieroglyphics on a top secret craft/probe? and why would it be sent into the vicinity of a sensitive joint military base?

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" don't think this technology is human, what evidence is there to support that notion? .. the Roswell and Rendelsham cases share the symbols in common(among other cases) .. so what would be the point of placing hieroglyphics on a top secret craft/probe? and why would it be sent into the vicinity of a sensitive joint military base?"
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You don't think the technology was human and ask what evidence is there to support that notion? Fair enough, but what evidence is there to support an alien hypothesis? Absolutely none! All we can say with certainty is that the object encountered in Rendlesham Forest is a true unknown. As for the second part of your argument. . . If this was a ultra secret proto-type drone of some sort that had gone wrong and malfunctioned in the vicinity of Bentwaters of course those who controlled it would land it for recovery at one of their bases. Thats just too obvious. After the initial event an American transport plane did land at Bentwaters and took something back to the USA. Why couldn't that something be a top secret unmanned craft of some sort? Why does it have to continually be alien all the time? This is why governments all over the world can get away with testing there proto-type aircraft in civillian airspace. If anyone does happen to see them they know full well that any local UFO groups will claim the object is alien , and any newspapers that pick up the story will follow suite and ridicule the sighting.

reply to post by Mintwithahole.

Well gee, thanks. Rendlesham Forest was always my favorite UFO incident and now you've gone and thrown doubt on the matter. Darn your logic.

Originally posted by MsSmartypants
reply to post by Mintwithahole.

 

Well gee, thanks. Rendlesham Forest was always my favorite UFO incident and now you've gone and thrown doubt on the matter. Darn your logic.

Do I detect a note of sarcasm? Don't let my misgivings about the Rendlesham Forest case put you off further investigation. The object that came down in the forest is a true unknown! Nobody is claiming responsibility for it and the hush coming from the USA and UK is suspect. I just think we should look at all the earthly alternatives to explain this case before we turn to none earthly forces.
I'm reminded of a documentary I once watched which had a writer tell of his interview with a worker out at Area 51. He said the worker stated that there where things out in Area 51 which would make George Lucas envious! If there are things flying around in our skies which are light years ahead of anything publicly disclosed why couldn't the Rendlesham object not be one of them?

According to Pennington it did not disturb the air, make a noise and it also took at in the 'blink of an eye'. Are there differences between his original testimony and later on? What he describes seems beyond our abilities now let alone 1980. He noted 'there was absolutely no sound' and 'no air disturbance'. How is this possible even with the most advanced technology we could easily pick up on those two things at close range, due to the power output required from any type of electrical motor , am I wrong?
Halt could also have changed his story and admitted it was probably a military craft but he hasn't to this day. If it was indeed NATO craft we should have seen some crashed versions used in other conflicts or else on home territory. Why? Because such a technology would be pushing the absolute limits of computer control and avionics now let alone 1980. Computer systems would not have the power for adaptive avionics in such a small craft and how could they create such acceleration without some noise at least? How could such a craft stay upright without rocket motors, stabilising wings or helicopter type blades yet not emit any sound and leave at a "Speed: Impossible'"? Plus there would have an impetus to use such a craft during the cold war for surveillance of the other side and the Russians were not that dumb, they would have shot one down or got some evidence of it. Anyone who studies quantum physics knows there is a real possibility of extraordinary power sources (every particle in nature is assumed to have a negative partner, although we have not discovered many of them yet, perhaps there is such a thing as an 'anti-graviton' that could be used to repel gravity ) being adapted to produce such characteristics. The idea of anti-particles is not revolutionary physics, rather it's an accepted part of modern theory. Methods of propulsion could follow the ideas of Paul Hill . Accepted ideas change but sometimes they change very slowly as the evidence is lacking. There are many examples of ideas being proposed decades before their time but the scientific framework, established thinking or pure ignorance of the work led them to being ignored (Mendel, Einstein's Constant). Here's a nice article about what happened to meteors from before 1790 among other things -www.eskimo.com...


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I don't really know the incident well (only what I read here) but one thing dose stike odd with me .

Why would a top secret drone (or any military craft for that matter) have unknown hieroglyphics written on its hull ? (If we belive the testimony of the witness)

So what , the military guys put them there just in case the drone/craft malfunctions and goes down in a populated area so it can be called a ufo


Hmm that would be some impressive thinking on their side

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"Why would a top secret drone (or any military craft for that matter) have unknown hieroglyphics written on its hull ? (If we belive the testimony of the witness)"
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They weren't hieroglyphs! They were symbols which Penniston said he recognised but couldn't remember where he had seen them. Just one more reason I think this was a top secret drone of some kind. If it was from another planet how could Penniston possibly have recognised the symbols?

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umm ok but still why put symbols on the hull of a classified project ?

He said he recognized those symbols but cant remember where ? So it wasnt any military markings or plain english text then ? right ? (Beeing he was a military man he would recognize military markings imo and well english text also )

About the issue how he could recognize alien text (not saying it was alien) . He might have seen something durring his time in the military or maybe the markings only resembled something he saw before , and not an exact match.

Like you know , you see alien text in a movie and it sticks with you

For Example , I see some chinese text and have no idea what it is but then later after a few years I see some korean or japaneese text and even thou I still have no idea what it is , I know it resembles something I saw before (even thou both of those texts were completly different , but that exacly it , the complete difference from my own language/alphabet is enough to put them in the same category)

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Originally posted by Thill
reply to post by Mintwithahole.

 

umm ok but still why put symbols on the hull of a classified project ?

He said he recognized those symbols but cant remember where ? So it wasnt any military markings or plain english text then ? right ? (Beeing he was a military man he would recognize military markings imo and well english text also )

About the issue how he could recognize alien text (not saying it was alien) . He might have seen something durring his time in the military or maybe the markings only resembled something he saw before , and not an exact match.

Like you know , you see alien text in a movie and it sticks with you

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Well, last I looked there are symbols etc on the stealth bomber which was a classified top secret project for decades. I don't quite see your argument here! You say he recognised the symbols but didn't know where from and jump to the conclusion (I think, sorry if I'm wrong) that they weren't military, but I would go the other way and say that during his time in the military he had most probably seen them for a split second somewhere and it was this that sparked off his recognition of the symbols. Of course, he may simply be wrong and be confused by similar symbols he had seen on TV etc like you point out..

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.


Well, last I looked there are symbols etc on the stealth bomber which was a classified top secret project for decades. I don't quite see your argument here!

My argument here is that him beeing a military man/and a human , he would recognize military/project markings even if he did not know the meaning of them. I mean there is a difference between a set of numbers/leters that you have no idea what they mean and a set of "unknown markings" that resemble something. Dont You agree?

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"My argument here is that him beeing a military man/and a human , he would recognize military/project markings even if he did not know the meaning of them. I mean there is a difference between a set of numbers/leters that you have no idea what they mean and a set of "unknown markings" that resemble something. Dont You agree? "
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He wouldn't have a security clearance high enough to be able to see anything on the scale of what we're talking about here. But what about if he had accidentally glimpsed at some previous occasion a top secret document containing the symbols and had instantly put it out of his mind only for him to see them again on the Rendlesham object? That may be what has triggered his memory? I'm not saying it's a fact justputting it forward for debate. . .

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Of course that is another explanation of where he could have seen those symbols but it is as much plausible as the fact that those markings were alien looking and he saw something similar somehwere on tv.

The real question is what type of markings were those ? I mean were those numbers/letters (like stated before its not the meaning of the set of letters/numbers thats in question here) or were those "alien/unknown looking "markings (ie vertical , horizontal lines , something resembling hierogliphics , circles , triangles, etc.... basicly unknown to the human mind) ..

Thats the real question because without that we can debate in circles about the origin of those markings.

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I never said that the symbols were Egyptian hieroglyphs, although Penniston described them as such because that's what they most resembled, and not because anyone thought them to be hieroglyphs.

I'm not one of those people who believes that every UFO case is of extraterrestrial origin or cause, but you have to admit that this case leans in that direction far more than the Earthly and conventional explanation.

There is absolutely no evidence of an Earth based explanation, I agree that it is an unknown, but if you were to put yourself in Penniston's boots.. what would you believe? And by the way, Penniston and Halt have always maintained that they themselves don't know what this thing was anyhow.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
If this was a ultra secret proto-type drone of some sort that had gone wrong and malfunctioned in the vicinity of Bentwaters of course those who controlled it would land it for recovery at one of their bases. Thats just too obvious.

I disagree with this statement, assuming this was a top secret drone/craft being tested by the U.S, then I can guarantee you that in this situation it would have never been tested anywhere near an ally's backyard, remember.. it's supposed to be "top secret", that's point number one. Point number two.. judging from the description of the object, this was not your typical military project.. do not dismiss the symbols, you have put out the assumption that these symbols may have been put there by the government in case anyone ever saw them and can quickly judge them to be alien, that is ridiculous.. Roswell's craft had similar symbols on it too, were they really trying to fool the public about aliens in 1947 before anyone even heard of such theories? And again I'll emphasize that assuming it was "top secret" it certainly would never be spotted by anyone in the first place (military or otherwise).

Symbols are just .....symbols. The point being that you can't draw any conclusion from markings as to where it was from. I can go out and etch a symbol into anything in about half an hour (by the way, to the poster earlier, Korean and Japanese borrow lots of symbols from Chinese so yes, they would look similar, many Americans would think Arabic, Thai, Korean and Japanese are alien scripts let alone hieroglyphics!). But if the witness was reliable, used exact descriptions from time of sighting and familiar with aircraft you could certainly draw conclusions from it's flight characteristics about if it was more likely to be man-made or not.

Originally posted by ManInAsia
Symbols are just .....symbols. The point being that you can't draw any conclusion from markings as to where it was from. I can go out and etch a symbol into anything in about half an hour (by the way, to the poster earlier, Korean and Japanese borrow lots of symbols from Chinese so yes, they would look similar, many Americans would think Arabic, Thai, Korean and Japanese are alien scripts let alone hieroglyphics!). But if the witness was reliable, used exact descriptions from time of sighting and familiar with aircraft you could certainly draw conclusions from it's flight characteristics about if it was more likely to be man-made or not.

You can't draw a conclusion as to where it were from, but you can draw a conclusion as to where they WEREN'T from, and these symbols from both the Roswell and Rendelsham cases certainly don't match any other symbols in known existence. And I can assure you ManInAsia that I personally wouldn't mistake Arabic, Chinese, Egyptian or any other Earthly symbols for alien markings, nor would the many investigators behind these cases.

And when it comes to both the two main witnesses Col. Halt and Sgt. Penniston, I have no doubts regarding their credibility and honesty.
These witnesses(particularly Penniston) have provided accurate descriptions of the object and it's performance, IMHO the conclusion is more likely to be of extraterrestrial origin and NOT man-made.

Remember that these guys are trained observers, and are well aware of the many different type of military craft.. and they were simply shocked by what they witnessed. Penniston and a few others actually suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after this incident for a while. And if you take a look at the expressions on their faces, even recently on Larry King(more than 20 years later) you can clearly see that they are still somewhat affected by what they saw in that forest.

So now Triangles, circles etc. indicate an alien script? You don't recognise a symbol so it must be alien? Come on guys...

Ehh , no triangles , circles , squares etc are not alien but that was just a figure of speech , I thought that was obvious but I guess some people need precision to understand

What I meant (and won't bother drawing as some understand it seems) was that japaneese , chineese , korean (and I do know the differences between them , alphabet wise) , arabic (this one might be debatable but I kind of have a hard time beliveing in flying arabic saucers ) , polish , english (greek alphabet) , ancient Egyptian hierogliphics , deep Congo native , numbers , etc... even thou beeing drasticly different from eachother would be recognizable by most humans as a form of "earth based language" ...

So my question was , "did those markings look like earth based language , or not ?" . If You still don't understand what I mean then I apologize because I have no other way to word it so You do

Seriously, the symbols reminded me of something I may have seen in a 1950s sci fi outer space movie.
By the way, I translated it. It reads:
How's My Flying? Call 1-800-XXX-XXXX.

Some things are just universal.

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