I think I found a secret facility

I cannot say for certain that this is the same facility...or even the same area, but I too stumbled across a "secret" facility while in the Army in AZ. I have posted the details before, but the short version is...Myself, and 3 friends(1 buddy, also in the U.S. Army-and 2 female locals) were out horseback riding on some rented trail horses. I am an experienced rider, and decided to take a different path, as did my companions. After a good stint through the desert south of Tuscon, through some saddles, and peaks in the terrain, I came across a 10 foot high security fence, with a gate.

There was a 4 foot by 2.5 foot sign left of the gate. The sign had quite a bit more information than I was able to read, as we were promptly removed from the area, at gunpoint. I was detained, in a room with no windows, for over 6 hours. I repeatedly gave the information that I was stationed at Ft. Huachuca, and I was not gathering any information, other than personal curiosity. The sign did list No Photography, and our cameras were confiscated-never returned. The sign also posted that Deadly Force was authorized. I was eventually released into the custody of my Company Commander, and a Lt. Colonal from the Provost Marshall. As I was M.I., I was given direct orders not to relate directions, or information about the site, or I could potentially lose my Top Secret clearance, and face Courts Martial. My buddy was released after about 20 minutes, with the girls, and was escorted back to the stables, then to post.

thing is...
THERE ARE ALOT OF THESE
they are everywhere, esp. in the western states
man there are so many facilities doing this and doing that
shipping this and shipping that, you try to keep up with even half
of what "they" are up to your head will swim.
Best thing is to know "they" are doing a BUNCH OF #
all the time, night and day..and none of it is GOOD
and start storing needed supplies, organize at the lowest level.
They are planning "their" game..are you planning yours?

[edit on 26-11-2008 by GRANDWORLDDRAMA]

Hi all
.I was thinking of posting what I'm about to say BEFORE I came across this thread.Or at least talking to someone-it's disturbed me a lot.
I had a surreal yet very real & disturbing dream. I sometimes do have dreams that aren't too happy-but nothing worth moaning about-Now after 30something years I had a real sickener. I feel this applies for some reason, and maybe (by a feeling of location) has some direct relevance to the thread.
some points though:
1) I haven't seen any pictures from the thread (linked images that is) I've read through the posts.I've developed a feeling of familiarity.
2)the following is all I remember.I woke myself as soon as I realised I was in a dream.& didn't want to fall asleep again just in case I went there again - despite really needing some sleep!!
3)My gut feelings(often as/more important as the message)were that I was being shown, rather than stumbled upon - I've never ever dreamed of a location anywhere like where I was.

Somewhere, remote,possibly barren&desert like. A warehouse kind of unit.Sunshine outside(usual wet and dreary in UK so where was this?). I merely glimpsed the outside!. Inside I remember only fragments- some animal production kind of place. Possibly cows up in the air on conveyor-rack type of movement(didn't see the construction) At least a tube connected briefly. Possibly other animals but I seem to remember hairlessness.
Something dissected on a table. I had the sense/understanding of genetics/cloning/experimentation. Just remembering any of this makes me sick to the core.
I know these things have gone on worldwide for years AND I've always hated it.I hate the concept of testing on animals..BUT this felt real,sinister and strange.
And like I said I never dream about this kind of thing.
This was last night, and all I'd had unusual perhaps was a real nice long,meditation in the evening.
I hope my rant is irrelevant and just the ramblings of a mad dream but I have had premonitory dreams before-they stand out.

reply to post by Manawydan


Take a look at this map. I marked a couple of areas that may be of interest!!!

maps.live.com...~-111.34514&style=h&lvl=18&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

I've flown out of MZJ when I was in XXX employ. Everyone knows about Evergreen and what goes on there. It's all over the internet. Nothing has changed except for the recent hangar fire which was perhaps a convenient way to destroy some aircraft and records.

The security your friend mentioned was Wackenhut who is under contract with MZJ covert operations. His story is legit.

Tucson and Evergreen are the air corridor hub and regional HQ for XXX Latin/South American Operations. Fleet maintenance and drug interdiction flights are based at Evergreen as well. Tucson is full of intel, active and retired.

HAH! I just noticed that the "captcha" I need to enter for this anonymous post is "irancontra". This facility was up to their neck in the whole affair.

According to one of the links mentioned in one of the early posts to this thread, there are at least four different phone numbers listed for the Pinal Airpark. The first number was/is to the Pinal Airpark Mechanical Section. That number is 1-520-868-5801. The other three numbers listed to the place as as follows:
1-520-744-5850;
1-520-682-4126; and
1-520-682-4181
I am sure that this facility has other phone numbers, too.

Originally posted by shauny
interesting stuff.

2 pics to comment on.

A. the one of the large "crop circle looking thing" circle in the desert.
that looks like maybe an underground heating system. Very similar in structure/look to a soccer field that has undersoil heating

B. the one with the cows/men and the water well
the lad to the far right, HES HUGE !!
and 1 is looking up.
AND they look like something from a terrorist training camp

Actually..I'm counting at least 7 individual looking up...I wonder what they are looking at? This image came from a satellite, yes? Surely that is not what they are looking at!...Maybe this picture came from a UAV...that they spotted...

I guess I don't see the HUGE guy you are referring to...so be it!

What the HELL are they all looking at?...

reply to post by spitefulgod

Sorry to ruin it for everyone but yeah it's Evergreens depot or ISO dock.I work for Evergreen here at Ramstein AFB Germany doing ground maintenance.

reply to post by daddymax


Those close up shots are Ariel shots, not from satellites.

You'll find quite a few over Africa.

One I remember seeing is of a herd of elephants.


Here's another example:
27°56'25.36"N 12°17'28.04"W

You can zoom in to about 10m


Sorry to go off topic.




[edit on 28-11-2008 by Chadwickus]

reply to post by Retseh


The site is easily seen using Flash Earth or Microsoft Earth. Here's the address of the facility, as per the Evergreen website, hardly top secret: Evergreen Air Center, Inc.
Pinal Air Park Rd.
Marana, AZ 85653
Fax: 503.434.3443

I am enclosing a copy of the screenshot I took, also.
Dan, Key West, FL

The problem with all this analysis is Evergreen USED to be a spook outfit. After a few congressional investigations, I'm pretty sure it just a cargo company, one of many that handle military cargo. Hey, we even let the Russians handle military cargo these days. EVA has Taiwan ownership.

Now if you want something actually spook related to Pinal, here you go.
RFQ

Specifically, note the following:
1)Lease of CASA-212 aircraft
2) CLIN 0002 C130/L-382 aircraft

Now check out this plane I photographed at Base Camp:
41901 civilian c-130
Now I haven't photographed any Casa-212 doing spook work, but I did photograph a similar jumper plane, the 235.
cn235 #1
cn235 #2

I'm reasonably sure they planned on doing CIA training at Pinal. I don't know if the exercises actually took place. The military has their own planes for jumping, that is, they don't need to lease aircraft.

**UPDATE**

I went out to do some desert shooting yesterday with my buddy and he shared a couple of other minor points about Marana.

Firstly a correction, the large single story complex I mentioned is in fact multi-story, he said it was 4 stories tall but you could only see the top level as it was built into the desert floor - my misunderstanding there.

The second deal was that he noticed a huge cylindrical liquid storage vessel, much like one of those water reservoirs. He said it looked about 50 years old, all rusted and such, but one of the other guys on base told him that it was erected just last year and was shiny silver when erected - remember also that this is the desert, things don't rust out here.

The guy proceeded to tell my friend that the military had gone to a lot of trouble and expense to make the container look old and rusty, but it was in fact immaculate on the inside and practically brand new.

Why on earth would they do that?

reply to post by daddymax


At Dugway Proving Grounds Patterns on the Ground Simular to that were sensor grids to record the dispersment of chemical weapons.

DPG tested toxic agents, flamethrowers, chemical spray systems, biological warfare weapons, antidotes for chemical agents, and protective clothing. In October 1943, DPG established biological warfare facilities at an isolated area within DPG (Granite Peak).