I think I found a secret facility

reply to post by wintermarches


Yes, I know, It wasn't my post.

Still had the same effect when I zoomed in.

It's common knowledge that Evergreen is a "company" subsidiary...

Originally posted by Someone336
I am curious as to how/why your friend was allowed entrance to this facility.

Even Secret Bases use contract labor.

Sorry about the one liner, but it's true.

We live in Pinal County, 20 miles from this facility, which we stumbled upon accidentally.
An earlier poster suggested the white planes as being "chemtrail" vehicles-right you are!
They're painted solid white, except for a small green cloverleaf on the rear. For the last several days we've been literally bombarded with chemtrails, unlike any we've seen before. These are something new, huge monsters many miles wide. From the right vantage point you can see them descend towards the Marana air park after a run, and take off again. Whatever else they're doing, Evergreen is a very well known "Company" asset.

reply to post by Someone336


Hey, sometimes even the military need a plumber, right?



It's not that hard to go into military areas in everyday work depending on your work and depending on the secrecy of the site.

If this is a genuine military site (and not some sort of "black ops" site) anything a civilian would likely come into contact with would be useless information anyway.

The fact that a regular civilian was asked to go there suggests that this is a regular military related installation, and their security measures would also suggest that there was nothing there that they need to keep a closely guarded secret other than general information. You can bet a guy wouldn't get access to Area 51 so easily.

To go anywhere of real military value, you'd need a background check and clearance, which can take months. To go onto any site higher than regular military, where secrecy from all people and media is required, would likely take years of military service after clearance.

If this site was something sinister, this regular guy wouldn't have been allowed within the perimeter at all.

But from a guy who loves military engineering, secrets, bunkers and all that stuff, it does make for good investigation on here

i totally believe u! i always knew they was something fishy going on and i wasn't sure until i read ur articule and that i think that the government is hiding something.

how intriguing...I used to live a couple miles away from this airport..

We used to play paintball on Avra valley road and party north of the airport every weekend. I went skydiving for the first time at this airport and lost my virginity less than 5 miles away from it.

Out there in the desert at night we saw a lot of unexplained things and to me this find makes me wonder about a lot of what we bore witness to out there in Marana/Picture Rocks.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by Someone336

 

Hey, sometimes even the military need a plumber, right?

It's not that hard to go into military areas in everyday work depending on your work and depending on the secrecy of the site.

If this is a genuine military site (and not some sort of "black ops" site) anything a civilian would likely come into contact with would be useless information anyway.

The fact that a regular civilian was asked to go there suggests that this is a regular military related installation, and their security measures would also suggest that there was nothing there that they need to keep a closely guarded secret other than general information. You can bet a guy wouldn't get access to Area 51 so easily.

To go anywhere of real military value, you'd need a background check and clearance, which can take months. To go onto any site higher than regular military, where secrecy from all people and media is required, would likely take years of military service after clearance.

If this site was something sinister, this regular guy wouldn't have been allowed within the perimeter at all.

But from a guy who loves military engineering, secrets, bunkers and all that stuff, it does make for good investigation on here

Took the words right out of my mouth.

If this base was to be something so top secret or even one bit of sketchy, you wouldn't be so lucky to enter it or even hear what it looks like in there.

Ah well.

i just looked on google earth and there are MANY different types of planes on the ground there. even some experimental delta winged type planes and planes that look like they are being scrapped

its probably an aircraft training facility, i realy cant tell what type of planes are on the ground but most of them look like civilian models and not military.............can anybody actualy tell us what type of planes those are??

I think it's pretty clear what this is.

It's from the history. It was sold to Evergreen (no bid) from the CIA.

What this really means is that it is continuing the same activities that it was before, but by being a private contractor, it can evade laws and regulations that the government has to uphold.

Like a law that says: "No government agency may do X", is circumvented by having the government pay somebody to do X. For a substantial extra fee, of course.

And of course this provides suitable employment at a private-sector executive wage for certain favorite people.

So, what is it?

Logistics for unacknowledged DOD and CIA overseas activities.

Most of it is really mundane, probably, like taking supplies to special operations forces in Afghanistan or Pakistan outside of normal military supply lines (which would be monitored by enemy intelligence).

This is a very interesting story with only one problem. It is being referenced through Wikipedia which is notorious as not credible. When I was in college we would be failed if we used Wiki for a reference. I would suggest finding some more credible references before posting something if for no other reason to protect your own credibility. Wikipedia is a user based definition medium, it is not referenced with any credible sources and therefore should be treated as such. This is no different than someone coming on here and saying they saw a grey sleeping with their dog, it just cannot be considered credible without independent verification. The story is however quite interesting and I would have honestly placed more credibility in it with just your friend's witness account, but after seeing the wiki reference, it sends up all kinds of red flags.

God over half those planes are trashed or have no engines. and the funky little triangle aircraft with the front fins are a line of commercial business jets that were decommissioned like 10 years ago because of thier safety record and thier highly expensive upkeep. Your looking at a junkyard for planes. I can tell you what your friend was doing there, he was picking up or dumping off trash......ohhhh really top secret. Zoom out a little and you will see whol neighborhoods within miles of this "Secret base"....hell my house is more secret than this. Where did common sense go. Theres a little story about crying wolf to many times...thats why is for everyone's benifit who likes to post here to do a little thing called "google search" before posting all these "top secret bases"

OH one other thing, google maps and microsoft live maps where taken a year apart and the same aircraft are parked in the same space , nothing has changed.....WOW they must be caught in some time warp experiment

[edit on 24-11-2008 by alienj]

Originally posted by viperdave
i just looked on google earth and there are MANY different types of planes on the ground there. even some experimental delta winged type planes and planes that look like they are being scrapped

its probably an aircraft training facility, i realy cant tell what type of planes are on the ground but most of them look like civilian models and not military.............can anybody actualy tell us what type of planes those are??

I talk about this in my previous posts in this thread. They are probably part of the International Airlift Services or the Civil Reserve Air Fleet. For these purposes, commercial planes are used for or modified to the government's or military's purposes. Using the CRAF during wartime or crisis saves the Air Force money, and in return the commercial planes get peacetime business through the DoD in the International Airlift Services. A range of carriers are used, which would explain why so many different types of planes are seen there. The links in my posts explain it all, pretty much. (I hope I explained it right, as I just learned about this stuff today.)

Carriers in the 2008 Alliance Contractor Team contracts (maybe this team is part of the airport in question, or maybe the airport just happens to have all kinds of planes):

* American Airlines, Inc., of Ft. Worth, Texas
* Arrow Air, Inc. of Miami, Fla.
* ASTAR Air Cargo, Inc., of Miami, Fla.
* Delta Air Lines, Inc., of Atlanta, GA
* Evergreen International Airlines, Inc., of McMinnville, OR
* North American Airlines, Inc., of Jamaica, NY
* United Airlines, Inc., of Elk Grove Village, IL
* US Airways, Inc., of Phoenix, AZ
* World Airways, Inc., of Peachtree City, GA

source

I just figured these planes might be part of the airport mentioned since an Evergreen plane was spotted and the food distribution was going on. It all seemed to fit for me. Have I missed something everyone else caught?

I'm sure there could be low profile things going on, but the fact is any plane that is part of these programs are going to do things that are out in the open too. The humanitarian aid and disaster relief missions are one example.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by wintermarches]

Originally posted by DarrylGalasso
This is a very interesting story with only one problem. It is being referenced through Wikipedia which is notorious as not credible.

SourceWatch has all kinds of good info on Evergreen. Was this common knowledge, as one poster said? There is uncommon-sounding stuff on there, though, like about the mysterious death aboard an Evergreen plane. They also have an interesting section about rudeness from Evergreen employees. You guys know Evergreen has its own security company too, right?

reply to post by alienj


Id have to disagree with you. I lived there. The area is the perfect place for a ''secret'' base.

There are neighborhoods but pretty much everyone has an acre to themselves on most of the plots near the airport...its a very sparse and spread out community and it gets real dark out there. There are no street lights all over like in the city.

Im pretty sure the people that use the CIA as a tool are pretty smart and they think like chess players as opposed to a checker player. Looks can be deceiving and unless you have been there you don't have an accurate idea as to the feasibility something really going on behind the curtains...

This is definitely not the first time I've heard weird things about Pinal Airpark. Over on other forums, full of pilots, there have been many strange experiances there, as had John Lear. If you go digging through his posts here, or on his website, you may be abled to find his information about it. I can contact him if you wish? However, like others have said, it is a training site for military helicopters, and also covert operations during the Vietnam war.

The aircraft scattered everywhere in this pictures most definately are real. It is an aircraft bone-yard. Old aircraft come their for storage, or, to be broken up and made into coke cans. They may stay their for a long time as they get auctioned off, or they may stay their for years waiting for a buying. You can view pictures of the airport here.

Are you sure the aircraft were C-5s? Because no longer are any C-5s white anymore, they are all Grey, like most other Air Force aircraft. The base is home to Evergreen that modify used 747s into freighters - these are infact, usually white with no markins, and have a cargo door that swings upward similar to the C-5. Perhaps that's what he saw? The only other conceivable aircraft would be the Antonov 124, which is similar in appearance to the C-5, and usually unmarked.

Regarding the secrecy, could it be possible Evergreen is a CIA front, or contracted by the CIA?

[edit on 25/11/2008 by C0bzz]

This may be something significant. I've done a thorough study of The Last Circle, which is a document covering the government's role in arms dealing and drug smuggling, written by a female journalist. Here's a quote from the document:

The message from Michael to R.J. went as follows: (Quote) "There are three dozen C130's down at the Firebird Lake Airstrip on the Gila Indian Reservation in Arizona. Check out J & G Aviation, it's an FBO. The Fresno Company is alive and well down there.

"The real activity is not at Mirana, it's at Firebird Lake Airstrip. Other airlines operating at Firebird are Beigert, Macavia International, Pacific Air Express, Evergreen and Southern Air.

"Question to R.J.: How much coc aine or heroin can be transported in a C130? Do you want the C130, or do you want the guys who orchestrate it?

"Do a matrix link analysis, then sit down and pick the targets. Otherwise, you will tip off the others and the proof will dry up.

" ... Brian Leighton made 29 arrests out of five hundred within the Fresno Company. All Leighton succeeded in doing was to `vaccinate' the Fresno Company against further penetration."

Riconosciuto said he had a fragile window into this organization (The Company), but Leighton and others were causing the window to close by being too public about their investigation.

The message continued regarding Robert Booth Nichols: "Bob Nichols runs Glen Shockley. Glen Shockley runs Jose Londono. I [Michael] sat with Bob Nichols and Mike Abbell. Bob handed him $50,000 cash to handle an internal affairs investigation that the Justice Department conducted which would have led to the extradition of Gilbert and Miguel Rodriguez and Jose Londono.

So here we have Evergreen being directly implicated in drug smuggling, particularly in relation to Iran-Contra. Interestingly, according to www.abovetopsecret.com... , the aforementioned Robert Booth Nichols is the COO of Areoturbine, Inc, which is another aviation company that functions as a CIA front (surprise surprise). Areoturbine was just bought out by AerCap Group, a major global aviation firm. I wonder if there exists a connection between Areoturbine/AerCap and Evergreen. Anybody want to assist me on this angle?

I did find this, however, and its quite thought provoking:

Companies store used planes before they're sold overseas

Planes waiting for new owners are parked at facilities in Arizona. But in the near future they might be half a world away.

Evergreen Maintenance Center Inc. in Marana and AeroTurbine Inc. in Goodyear are holding pens for aircraft awaiting a new life in South America, Southeast Asia, China or wherever they are needed.

dallas.bizjournals.com...

reply to post by C0bzz


Apparently they are thoroughly rumored to be a CIA front. SourceWatch has them listed under the category of "CIA front companies", in their series titled "Air CIA".

(That's what berserkir meant above by "It's common knowledge that Evergreen is a "company" subsidiary".)

There was also something about illegal arms smuggling during the Iran-Contra affair, which they denied.

Also from SourceWatch:

And according to a series of articles in The Oregonian in 1988, Evergreen's owner and founder Delford M. Smith "...acknowledged one agreement under which his companies provide occasional jobs and cover to foreign nationals the CIA wants taken out of other countries or brought into the United States. However, neither Smith nor CIA officials would say whether any broader agreement existed."

Maybe it was on one of their planes that Aristide was kidnapped?!

[edit on 25-11-2008 by wintermarches]

Check this out:

Blackwater, Pinal Airpark and Evergreen www.google.com...,M1

Namebase for Evergreen www.namebase.org...

In my previous post we saw reference to Southern Air and Evergreen being involved in drug smuggling. Confirmation: www.google.com...

Southern Air was a CIA front company:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The second Southern Air Transport, based in Miami, Florida, is best known as a front company for the Central Intelligence Agency. It was founded in 1947 and became a subsidiary of the CIA's airline proprietary network, the Pacific Corporation. SAT's Pacific Division supported the US war effort in Southeast Asia, and operated 23 Lockheed Hercules aircraft in its fleet. They were c.n.s 4134, 4147, 4208, 4248, 4250, 4299, 4300-4302, 4362, 4383, 4384, 4388, 4391, 4472, 4477, 4558, 4561, 4562, 4565, 4586, 4590 and 4763.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

It seems that Evergreen itself falls under the umbrella of the Pacific Corporation:

www.namebase.org...

From the Southern Air wiki:

For further flight information it is notable that Barry Seal used one of SAT's planes while working with the CIA and U.S. DEA during his involvement in drug smuggling operations.

Who was Barry Seal?

Seal became obsessed with aircraft and took his first solo flight at the age of fifteen and was soon making a living towing advertising banners. In 1955 Seal joined the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) in Baton Rouge. Soon afterwards Seal took part in a CAP joint training mission with the New Orleans unit that was run by David Ferrie. According to John Odom, a fellow CAP member, Seal met Lee Harvey Oswald during this training.

By 1982 Barry Seal was bringing in drugs to the United States on behalf of the Medellin Cartel. Seal moved his base of operations from Louisiana to Mena, an obscure airport in the secluded mountains of western Arkansas. Seal told friends that he once made $1.5 million on a single coc aine flight. Seal worked directly for Sonia Atala, the CIA protected drug baron (Michael Levine, The Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic). It is also claimed that Seal's fleet of planes to ferry supplies to Contra camps in Honduras and Costa Rica. His planes also made return trips to airstrips in the mountains of Colombia and Venezuela. According to Roger Morris (Partners in Power): "His well-connected and officially-protected smuggling operation based in Mena accounted for billions in drugs and arms".

Seal also obtained two new multi-million dollar Beech Craft King Air 200s. According to Daniel Hopsicker, these aircraft were purchased by a Phoenix-based corporation that acted as a "front" for John Singlaub. This company also owned Southern Air, a CIA proprietary connected to William Casey, Richard Secord, Felix I. Rodriguez and George H. W. Bush.

Barry Seal was asked by his close friend, Rene Martin, if he feared being killed by the Ochoa family. Barry Seal replied that he was not afraid of the Colombians because he had not implicated senior members of the organization. Seal was more worried about his contacts within the US government. This view is supported by Lewis Unglesby, Seal’s lawyer. He confirmed that the man Seal was willing to testify against was George H. W. Bush.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...

Sorry for the slight digression.

You just reminded me of something. There are a zillion companies on FedSpending's site with the name "Evergreen". I couldn't figure out why, but now it's more clear. Sort of. I'm not really up on how front companies operate, but maybe something hokey's going on with all the subsidiaries there. I just thought they were shrewd businesspeople and had a finger in every pie.