Chemtrails Over Portland OR 23/11/08

reply to post by marsha law


Wow thats pretty harsh, an goodluck trying to take on GE and Dupont wh, super powers in themselves.

reply to post by GodshipForAll


You can see why I would never for a moment consider anything secret to be benevolent.

reply to post by GodshipForAll

Followers? I'm new here. I recognize but do not appreciate the sarcasm.

You note your own contradiction.While there is no evidence of "chemtrails", you first site examples of experimentation with chemical and biological agents (none of which were carried out via high altitude dispersal), you then say "perhaps chemtrails are a medium of protection".

You cite an online BBC article which refers to research on the relationship between ionospheric "disturbances" and earthquakes. Allow me to provide a quote.

I do believe that we will be able to establish a clear correlation between certain earthquakes and certain pre-earthquake signals, in an unbiased way. I am cautiously optimistic that we have good scientific data, and we are designing a series of experiments to verify our data.

As you say it is theoretical at this point but it is interesting to note that research has also indicated that the larger scale movements of earthquakes (Rayleigh Waves) create disturbances in the ionosphere www.sciencedaily.com...

While you seem to imply that HAARP is causing earthquakes (which I find absurd), it is possible that the research which it is carrying out may, in the future, aid in earthquake prediction.

The possibility of a connection between HAARP and contrails is non-existent. HAARP creates a very small effect on the ionosphere. The ionosphere begins at an altitude of over 150,000 feet. No jet aircraft can fly that high. Contrails occur at altitudes of 25,000 to 40,000 feet (with some variation).


[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by azureskys
reply to post by Phage

 

PATENT - NASA BARIUM ION CLOUD US3813875: ROCKET HAVING BARIUM RELEASE SYSTEM TO CREATE ION CLOUDS IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE...

Welsbach Patent:
US5003186: "Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming"

Inventor(s): Chang; David B. , Tustin, CA Shih; I-Fu , Los Alamitos, CA

Applicant(s): Hughes Aircraft Company, Los Angeles, CA News, Profiles, Stocks and More about this company

Barium rocket tests are pretty. They did them in the 70's. They were typically carried out at altitudes of 500,000 to 800,000 feet. Quite a bit higher than a jet can fly. I saw one, they were quite noticeable. I don't think they do it anymore.

Hughes seems to have jumped on the global warming bandwagon pretty early. You do realize that that there are thousands of patents issued that nothing is ever done about.

If you want to see chemtrails then come to Phoenix AZ. Never rains here and there are supposed to be no clouds. Everyday I see at least 20 trails above the valley in which I live. It seems like yesterday when I asked my dad, "what are those planes leaving behind?" My father says; "That is just the exhaust from the jet engines".

I was about 13 years of age and I had not seen this type of activity before. These new jets were always on my mind. I figured it was new technology and that these new planes had a different way to get rid of it's waste from fuel.

These posts need to reach more people. All day people see these things and never ask questions. Why do you think they wear surgeons masks in China? It is getting to the point where people are starting to notice. That might mean it is too late. We need to spread the word as much as possible.

reply to post by Chaos3003


Phoenix is under one of the most active air traffic corridors in the country. It's no wonder you see a lot of contrails, there are a lot of airplanes flying over you.
You can see what's going on in real time here:
atcmonitor.com...


While the ground is dry in your part of the country, the atmosphere at 25,000 feet can be very cold and humid. These are the conditions which cause contrails.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

reply to post by marsha law

OK, if there is a big conspiracy to spray the general populace by some agency do you really think they would tell congress, the president or the courts diddly-squat if people started raising hell? If there is a conspiracy no paper trail will ever be found if the agency is doing the job right and without a paper trail any whistle blower testimony could be considered fantasy. Any agency with that much power could easily read the riot act to all three branches of government and it would be hushed up out of fear. My 2 cents.

reply to post by Phage


phage lets get your position clear do you absolutely not beleive in chemtrails? because it would be ludricious not too considiring it has been publicly admited that this has been done before..

[edit on 25-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

reply to post by Velvet Death


The 'Open Skies Treaty' is one way they have been able to keep the spraying
downplayed. Any of the countries signed up can fly their planes in the other's airspace under the pretense of 'mutual aerial observation'



en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
reply to post by Phage

 

phage lets get your position clear do you absolutely not beleive in chemtrails? because it would be ludricious not too considiring it has been publicly admited that this has been done before..

[edit on 25-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

I do not believe that what are being called "chemtrails" are anything more than persistent contrails caused by atmospheric conditions. I do not believe there is ongoing, planetwide conspiracy to do something to the atmosphere through the use of contrails.

It has been admitted that what has been done before? Can you be more specific about just exactly what is being done? Are we being poisoned as a means of population reduction? Are we being protected? Is global warming being enhanced? Is it being fought? All of these things (and more) have been speculated about. There is no evidence of any of them occurring.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by marsha law
reply to post by Velvet Death

 

The 'Open Skies Treaty' is one way they have been able to keep the spraying
downplayed. Any of the countries signed up can fly their planes in the other's airspace under the pretense of 'mutual aerial observation'



en.wikipedia.org...

Yeah, far better that they (and we) are able to carry out military development without being watched.

reply to post by Phage

I agree 100%. If there really was a chemtrail conspiracy to perhaps reduce the populatin then they would be spraying Marburg or Ebola or something and really having an effect.
It seems obvious to me that there is an easy way to determine the existance of any chemical or biological agent in the air over any city anywhere.
If "they" wanted to kill us off, we'd be killed off.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by spookjr]

yeepers! Chemtrails doing their job today, after being sprayed at the time of this post. As I stated above, it should be raining within the week....BINGO~!

reply to post by Phage


I believe they have satellites for spying that do just fine.

reply to post by spookjr


Maybe they are starting with the 'soft kill'. How much fluoride do you ingest?
Do you even know? Here is a bit about chemtrails and fluoride.

"THEY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL WE ARE DEAD

UNLESS WE JOIN FORCES AND STOP THEM

These dim-witted, unscrupulous, hedonistic dejected street urchins are Spraying the Entire Globe with Barium Oxide and Aluminum Oxide under the guise that scientists have figured out how to reduce global warming.

Barium Oxide is a systemic poison that competes with potassium in the nervous system. It causes severe irritation of the gastrointestinal tract, tightness in the muscles of the face and neck, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, muscular tremors, anxiety, weakness, labored breathing, cardiac irregularity, convulsions, and death from cardiac and respiratory failure. Barium damages kidneys, blood and blood forming organs and the brain.

Barium also Knocks Out the Immune System

Aluminum is a protoplasmic poison and a pernicious and persistent neurotoxin. Aluminum affects diverse metabolic reactions.

Aluminum is Toxic to Osteoblasts and Directly Inhibits Skeletal Mineralization

Fluoride Exacerbates Aluminums Inhibition of Mineralization

Fluoride Helps Aluminum Cross the Blood-Brain Barrier "

from here www.youarebeingpoisoned.com...

reply to post by marsha law

Maybe they are starting with the 'soft kill'. How much fluoride do you ingest? Do you even know? Here is a bit about chemtrails and fluoride.

Barium Oxide is nasty stuff. Get it on your skin or in your eyes and it burns like crazy.

Other forms of barium are quite common and are a result of a wide array of manufacturing processes. Pretty hard to avoid.

Aluminum is basically everywhere. It's the most common metallic element in the crust of the Earth. It doesn't seem to be very harmful, except in quite large amounts. But it's pretty much unavoidable.

Fluoride, like aluminum, is found naturally in water and food. In some localities it is added to the water supply. At high levels it is toxic.

Now. Show me some evidence that any of these chemicals come from contrails.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage


You can look through this and find out how to test your own air if you like.
They are spraying something.
If they weren't why would you be wasting so much time denying it?


www.carnicom.com...

reply to post by marsha law


Now that's a nice circular argument.
Because I deny it's happening, it must be. So if I don't deny it, does it mean that it isn't happening?

I've seen that site. Rumor and speculation. If you can find some evidence there, please point it out.