How Obama Got Elected

Video is bias.

The only thing I see this video exposing is how influenced we are by the media. Repetition.


I am sorry. Inculcate is a better term than repetition.

[edit on 22-11-2008 by Unlimitedpossibilities]

Perhaps it would be better if political commercials were banned and all potential voters were required to take a course in social issues before getting a permit to vote. Only those voters who could pass a "political awareness" test would be given a ballot to mail in by a deadline date.

An election decided by the masses of ignorant people who are easily influenced by propaganda campaigns are one of the reasons why a direct democracy was decided against and a representative republic was the choice of those who wrote the Constitution. (they knew human nature even though the concept of "mass media" was totally unknown at the time) The concept of a pure "Democracy" was feared by those liberal thinkers of the late 1700's which is why we have never truly had a democracy - here or anywhere else.

The current national election process is too long, requires too much money and the choices are too limited. No matter what, the power elite always wins; the people always lose.

Originally posted by Raustin
Oh man, here we go again. To be quite honest I agree that a huge majority of Obama supporters had no idea what they were doing. On the flip side of the coin neither did quite a few McCain supporters. Sign of the times. I have noticed that among the people I know, Obama supporters could only mumble 'change' when talking politics. That in no way means that they all had no clue on the issues. You know McCain supporters are probably just as bad.

So you've talked to every Obama supporter? Until you have and done a survey yourself than it's just your opinion and nothing more. And I'm sure you know that old saying about opinions....

reply to post by vBreezo


Right. Any Democracy is bound to fall into an Oligarchy. At least that is what Plato is telling me right now.

BTW: The Republic by Plato, should be the required reading for the citizens to generate inquiry and amendment of the current established government.




[edit on 22-11-2008 by Unlimitedpossibilities]

Also the whole Joe Biden and plagiarism thing is just b.s. He time and time again throughout that campaign credited who he was quoting except one time and he corrected the mistake like the next day. Also Bill Ayers was never convicted of a crime and I don't believe he ever served any crime either. If he was still such a terrorist like Sarah Palin kept claiming why didn't anyone call the FBI?

Originally posted by mel1962
Wow . . . I guess that's how Bush got elected twice . . . Oh brother! I just hope everyone gives the guy a chance to fix the mess, before you bury him and he hasn't even taken office!

That's what gets me too is he's even being blamed for the economic issues by people like Sean Hannity. Oh brother!

As already pointed out, the real issue is, that you can do this with both sides, which indicates something's gone horribly wrong. (though probably not in such numbers as suggested in this video.)

What is the cause for this? Is it that people have lost their faith in politics, and don't care about it anymore and don't take it as serious as they should, or is it a general declinement in education?

I think both parts play a role, and the implications of both are dangerous and frightening. If nobody cares about politics, and everybody thinks he can shift his responsibility to the rest of the people, democracies have a serious problem. If general education declines, those democracies in the long-term turn into a Idiocracies.

Is this our future?

Unless the new president elect is a dictator there is no reason for fear.It's up to us with our dollar vote that will change the world. Those that control the capitol of that vote decide what will happen to you.All this political speak is just that"words"...You want to change world?Change your self...Stop buying crap.

Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by Raustin

 

Right away, Ziegler of Zogby said he would not be doing a comperable poll of the people who voted for McCain/ Palin. That is a shame because I think it would have revealed a huge difference in the 2 electorates.

As I mentioned, I put the blame squarely on the American media. Please read thread Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights? or just the article it references by Bob Henderson a liberal that makes a very negative assessment of his fellow liberal media! He makes the point that many of the problems this country faces such as the subprime debacle are due to unfair, biased coverage of issues by a runaway biased media. I agree entirely.

My contention is that liberal Obama voters watch the alphabet news agencies, NBC, CBS, etc. and get the glosssed over, pro liberal baloney while the more conservative people avoid alphabet coverage and get their news from more reliable sources such as Fox News which did some very good, unbiased assessments pre election.

You think there is a liberal media? LOL! I suggest you find a film called "The Myth of the Liberal Media" and also "Orwell Rolls in His Grave." You can find them at www.informationclearinghouse.info...

reply to post by Unlimitedpossibilities


You might also want to read Commentaries of Plutarch. His reflections on basics of life and living are apropos! How people fall into corruption and how to guard oneself from falling into the traps by observing those in power around you!

Zindo

Originally posted by Raustin
reply to post by plumranch

 

Oh man. Fox news... Just as bad as everyone else. You are not going to convince me that politically savvy people get their info from Fox news. The liberals are going to start shouting that Fox leans to the right. Then the rights are going to holler that it only leans right because of it's objectivity. Will this ever end? VOTE THIRD PARTY. I'll make cookies if you guys do! I actually went McCain in a failed attempt to thwart Obama, but my conscience cried a little.

Uh hon Fox DOES lean to the right. Doy. If what you say is true than Alan Colmes would have HIS own tv show but he doesn't.

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Thanks Zindo! I do believe I have some Plutarch and hopefully have the one you specified. After I am finished writing my critique on Plato's Republic, I can look for that.


ttyl

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion
After viewing this, I have come to the conclusion that I voted for the wrong candidate. Clearly Obama has the right idea. The first good one, "abortion". I now see that it should be the right of the parent to choose abortion. However, I don't believe that Obama has taken it far enough with late term abortions, how about post term abortions. I am a firm believer that every parent that had a child that voted for Obama, that thinks that child made a bad choice, should be able to ask to have that child aborted. Hmmmm, maybe Obama's issues weren't so bad.

[edit on 22-11-2008 by RealityisanIllusion]

Good God people if you don't like abortion don't do it but don't take away my right as a woman to make my own reproductive choices.

Obama did not win the election. McCain lost the election. He was weak from the start. He refused to take Obama to task on the vitals of his mysterious lifestyle. he wanted to play nice. He wanted federal campaign funds. he made bad mistakes. Not only this, but McCain was not really a conservative and so many people in spite of Palin would not pull the lever for him. I only did it because of Palin and were she not on the ticket I would not have voted this year. So... Obama was handed the nation by McCain and the fault is his alone. It will be four years before America wakes up and yerns for another Reagan, not a pretender like Bush, and not a fake like McCain, but a real Reagan conservative who will lead with a strong miltary, low taxes, cutting spending, and promoting national confidence.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by LittlePinky82

 

When you have people who have a high school diploma and can't read or write above a 4th grade level, and you only hear whats been said by one side( The Debates where one sided by most accounts) and you have no drive to accel in this world you vote to get things handed to you, not on the issues!
Zindo

[edit on 11/22/2008 by ZindoDoone]

Wow such ingorance from that statement. You cant possibly believe that all people who voted for Obama have not gone past highschool and Cant read or write above the 4th grade level.

If you do that only makes your self look worse and not Obama supporters because it is such a ridiculous claim. I voted for obama.

I work as an acitivities director at a rehab. I went to college. I have a bachelors in psychology. last time I took a test to determine my reading level, in highscool, I tested in college level. I voted for obama because I felt he is more of what we need for this country tham McCain is. Not because I want things handed to me. That is not how america works. Things were never handed to me. I earned everything I have in this life.

To say that all obama supporters are lazy uneducated people who cannot read or write is ignorant and just plain wrong and silly.

Trying to lump all obama supporters in to one category is so prejudiced. I hope you were being sarcastic. I really do.



[edit on 22-11-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

Exactly. Obama had all sorts of people vote for him and put their own self interest's aside for what they thought was for the good of the country. I mean heck I'm a Communist and I voted for Obama. Not because he's anything close to anything I believe in but because I know there's so much work to do and we have to do it together. The person I really wanted had no chance in hell so I looked at the reality. I'm currently a college student and I'm always educating myself not just for my major but because I enjoy it.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
122,394,724 people voted in the 2008 presidential election. 51% of those 122,394,724 people voted for Obama.

That means 62,421,309.2 People voted for Obama.

You have called 62,421,309.2 people uneducated soley because 12 people from a video didnt know the answers to some questions. Alot of which had nothing much to do with the presedential election i.e who is barney Frank?

The poll is hardly accurate either. As has been said 512 people does not make for an accurate poll.

Do you not see how calliing the 62,421,309.2 people who voted for obama, uneducated comes off as prejudiced and ignorant?

Perhaps a little research on the subject would have been wise before lumping a group of people into one category is wise.

I can tell you right now if you had done so you would have known not to call 62,421,309.2 people uneducated. It is quite laughable really.

Here is a little information about my family. I, an activity director for a rehabilitation center and have a degree in psychocolgy, voted for obama.

My father, a retired local television producer who has a masters in pyschology and a teaching degree, voted for obama.

My mother who is a registered nurse, has a bachelors in psychology, and her nursing certificate, she voted for obama.

My sister who graduated highschool but never went to college has been working at target for 8 years earning minimum wage. She Voted for McCain.

Anyone can bend and twist things to make a group of people look bad. It doesnt mean its true.

If you wish to be taken seriously then do some research about the facts before you make a thread claiming such ridiculous things, using only a biased video and poll as your back up.

[edit on 22-11-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

Yep. My mother and father wouldn't have a clue who Barney Frank is probably and both my parents have college degrees and my father is a civil engineer. I only know who Barney Frank is because I'm a political junkie and sometimes watch CSPAN.

Originally posted by Annee
Obama got elected for one reason.

He gave people Hope.

Once again you're lumping people in together. I voted for Obama because I thought he had better policies. I could care less about all these feelings and #. It's a nice bonus but not how I vote and for you to say that about people is ignorant and foolish. People can easily on the other side make the claim that McCain supporters voted for McCain because they're scared babies who need a daddy figure. Now would that be fair?

I believe Barack Obama was elected because of the disgust with the failed policies of the Bush Administration, Lying about 9/11 and the link to Iraq (WMD), the failed economy that favors the rich and steps on the poor, and because of our extremely POOR foreign affairs which is so bad that Bush cannot even name the leaders of important countries.

Barack Obama is a minority whom favors the minority in the economic structure as well as the racial structure and I have a firm belief that his race alone makes other minority leaders feel at ease.

Originally posted by vBreezo
Perhaps it would be better if political commercials were banned and all potential voters were required to take a course in social issues before getting a permit to vote. Only those voters who could pass a "political awareness" test would be given a ballot to mail in by a deadline date.

An election decided by the masses of ignorant people who are easily influenced by propaganda campaigns are one of the reasons why a direct democracy was decided against and a representative republic was the choice of those who wrote the Constitution. (they knew human nature even though the concept of "mass media" was totally unknown at the time) The concept of a pure "Democracy" was feared by those liberal thinkers of the late 1700's which is why we have never truly had a democracy - here or anywhere else.

The current national election process is too long, requires too much money and the choices are too limited. No matter what, the power elite always wins; the people always lose.

Sorry but I think that's banned in the Constitution when it was declared literacy tests are UnConstitutional. So if people voted for McCain in the same number would you still say all that? Give me a break. I do agree the choices are limited. It would do us better if more voices were properly heard. It's ridiculous to say that people are either democratic or republicans. I always get so annoyed with holier than thou democrats who say people like Ralph Nader can't run because he "takes" away votes from Democratic candidates. If the Democrat was the best candidate and convinced people to vote for them than they shouldn't have to worry about that. They shouldn't be afraid of other voices being heard. It pisses me off.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Obama did not win the election. McCain lost the election. He was weak from the start. He refused to take Obama to task on the vitals of his mysterious lifestyle. he wanted to play nice. He wanted federal campaign funds. he made bad mistakes. Not only this, but McCain was not really a conservative and so many people in spite of Palin would not pull the lever for him. I only did it because of Palin and were she not on the ticket I would not have voted this year. So... Obama was handed the nation by McCain and the fault is his alone. It will be four years before America wakes up and yerns for another Reagan, not a pretender like Bush, and not a fake like McCain, but a real Reagan conservative who will lead with a strong miltary, low taxes, cutting spending, and promoting national confidence.

Sorry hon but Obama DID win whether you like it or not. LOL at wanting another Reagan. The republican party is like what Ronald Reagan wanted and people don't want that anymore. You voted for McCain because of Sarah Palin? OMG that's sad. You know she's a member of the AIP right? Too funny!