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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...
I did not vote for Obama, however I'm opposed to his being removed even if the Supreme Court were to find him ineligible. He won in a decisive manner and it is time for intelligent human beings to put the Partisan garbage aside and instead pray for his success; whether you agree with him or not.
I posted this excerpt of the US Constitution to show what I think the deciding factor should be. As I read this it would mean any decision he should be denied the right to run for President Unconstitutional on its face. "No State shall make or enforce ANY LAW which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens..." Obama and McCain are Citizens and that is not in dispute.
Originally posted by Evisscerator
If they discover that OBAMA is not a natural born American, then he ought to have his win thrown out and McCain declared the winner. Better yet, the Electoral College should throw every single vote behind McCain and validate the election that way.
Originally posted by Evisscerator
reply to post by Gools
If they discover that OBAMA is not a natural born American, then he ought to have his win thrown out and McCain declared the winner. Better yet, the Electoral College should throw every single vote behind McCain and validate the election that way.
12. The COLB on Smears and Kos has likely been altered, as Techdude’s and Polarik’s studies show, but probably reflects Obama’s true birth certificate so it’s not clear how or why it was altered. The way the COLB was handled and its suspicious presentation could have been intended to serve as a diversion from the can of worms Obama doesn’t want anyone to open.
THAT can of worms is the eligibility problem a POTUS candidate faces if that person has EVER held dual citizenship.
Originally posted by TheStev
Hey Danx,
Your own link states:
[...]
Thoughts?
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
Originally posted by danx
US Code Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Section 1403
(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
8 USC 1403(a) applies to John McCain since he was born in 1936. Therefor, McCain was declared a US Citizen, making him a naturalized citizen.
Thus, John McCain is not a "natural born" citizen. He is ineligible for the office of President of the United States.
Regarding Barack Obama,
If he was in fact born in Hawaii, then he is a "natural born" citizen.
From the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 Section 305:
Sec. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405] A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
Originally posted by Eulogy
It really depends on how the Supreme Court looks at everything. There is no defining code, regulation, or authority that describes EXACTLY what natural born means. It could refer to a natural birth (none C-Section), doubtful but bear with me.
I also had a friend back in school who was born on an Air Force base in Germany. Both of his parents were American. He was NOT a natural born citizen and could NOT have ran for President. I remember him being upset by this...Lol.
So, if that holds to be true, McCain would most likely NOT be eligible for President either. I voted for McCain, but at this point, I'm curious to see what Obama could do too. Fact is, neither of them may be eligible for President.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
I did not vote for Obama, however I'm opposed to his being removed even if the Supreme Court were to find him ineligible.
Originally posted by stander
Sec.305. [8 U.S.C.] 1405 still lacks the defining term "natural born citizen" required for the elegibility to become US President.
John McCain hasn't been issued any document stating that he became a naturalized citizen of the United States of A. What is his nationality, then?
Originally posted by MAINTAL
Ill not ever like all the rigorous bull one has to go through with this guys past so sewn up and sealed tight at every turn. He did the same thing in Illinois as a senator and many there are STILL angry at what he did to our state now 44 Billion in the hole thanks to his "redistribution" of the so called wealth.
Originally posted by MAINTAL Plus there is the thing only us Chicagoans have known since Kennedy was Pres.
That to get from where he was to where he is now and knowing what we do about the Chicago Daley Political Machine, one has to be well connected to the Mob and he was, in addition to being one of the daley Darlings, which he is.