BNP Member list leaked!

There's a proximity search by postcode available now: www.localgibson.com...

Mod Edit - Link removed

'cough'

Seems there was a thread with the list.

Oh well...

[edit on 20/1108/08 by neformore]

Originally posted by monkeybus
As a BNP member do you feel threatened? I wouldif i activly promoted violence against women, and non-white humans.

Haha. Nice assumption there, but I'm not a BNP member, nor do I wholly agree with the BNP's policies. As for your well-conditioned, generic, 'leftist' attacks on the BNP - you're generalising! I'm sure some BNP officials have their flaws, but no, the BNP does not actively promote violence, sexism or spousal abuse. Their policies are actually very much opposed to these things (as exemplified by their recent anti-violence, anti-racist "Racism Cuts Both Ways" leaflet). What individual members do or believe independently of the party does not represent the party - and that goes for any political party. We don't call Labour a 'party of perverts' when one of their officials is caught with a prostitute do we. Besides, generalisation is the single most ridiculous thing about racism. As anti-racists, we should avoid making generalisations at all costs, for we know that gun-crime in the black community does not define the entire black community.

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by 44soulslayer

 

Indeed correlation != causation

I think you might be taking me a bit too literally

I'm not saying money per se is the panacea, but what it allows people to do. More wealthy areas have more activities for young folks to do, and the money those kids have also means they can afford to take up activities not provided by their local authority. I'd wager boredom and a lack of positive character building and role models is a massive issue for the underprivileged. It's often cited as a reason when I've read discussions between workers and poor kids who are in trouble.

Of course the basis of any group of people is the people found within - I'm merely saying that the cause for some people to be less-than-desirable isn't due to their culture or where they're from, but their current circumstances.

That's all I was saying

Indeed, but I dont think that criminality/ mediocrity in educational attainment can be attributed to wealth.

I agree with you that a large amount of gang activity etc is the result of boredom and a lack of goals. Hence the national service I'm always touting

The first step is actually to acknowledge that criminality is cool; that gangs are cool and that guns are cool. At least that's the perception amongst the inner city youngsters. For criminality and gang activity to be replaced requires a much more forceful (ie "cooler") goal to displace it. I'm convinced that the pursuit of money can be utilized here... enterprise schemes to help youngsters run businesses etc will work. I'm skeptical of notions that sport can prevent a lapse into criminality. This works, but only for a few. Getting rich = a universal goal, and should be harnessed as such.
(Incidentally I catalogued a much more detailed version of this and sent it to Boris Johnson... hopefully he takes it up).

Originally posted by Cythraul

That's the wrong way to look at it. The BNP and anyone who supports them are falsely generalised as 'racist'. Yes there are racists among BNP members, but the majority are simply nationalists who love their country, love their culture, and don't want to see it eroded. If the media coverage and public's opinion of the BNP were fair and accurate, its members wouldn't need to worry about privacy. Also bare in mind that known BNP members are instantly dismissed from the Police force (and I'm sure the discrimination is more widespread than that). These people are worried about their careers and safety. I mean, anti-BNP protesters are far more threatening than the BNP (whose members recieve death-threats) - who those protesters ironically accuse of being hateful and violent.

Hang on, I've seen footage of their "great leader" spouting openly racist comments and generating hatred and intolerance.
If I have seen that, you can guarantee any member of their party would have too.

I'll try to find a link in a bit.

As for protecting the British culture, what about the thousands of American companies in the UK, the shops, the restaurants? But that's ok, because America is white.
Funny how the culture they want to protect encompasses everything unless the identity attached to it is Black, Asian, Gay, Muslim...
Basically when they say they want to protect British culture, they actually mean white heterosexuals with Christian values.

I do not believe that the people who support the BNP can selectively decide to "ignore" the most hateful aspects of that party. If you support the BNP, you support the most radical ideals along with it.

What I feel is most funny right now, is that they intend to use legislation THEY WANT TO GET RID OF as a protection and defense!
That is the very epitome of hypocrisy.

It may not be fair, but I actually have no sympathy for these horrible people. They are what is wrong with the UK, and members of the BNP should not be employed in public service where they are required to treat people with equality and dignity.
It's like employing a Holocaust-denier to be a community liaison officer to the Jewish community!
It's a conflict of interest and affects thousands of people in each case, from the Police to teaching.

One word to end on...

Karma.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
As for protecting the British culture, what about the thousands of American companies in the UK, the shops, the restaurants? But that's ok, because America is white.

I've made similar comments in real life to people who have bemoaned at the emergence of pakistani corner-shops and kebab houses and how 'they all send the money back home and none of stays in this country' and so on.

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Thread, meet Mr. Griffin




A few of the people in this thread insist that the BNP is not what many MILLIONS know it is. They even believe that this guy isn't racist and that the BNP is acceptable in our multicultural society.

Now tell me that the people affiliated with the BNP do not support his views at all.
Would you go anywhere near this party unless you accepted all of this too?

Yes, it is an old video, but his views are the same, he's just learned not to be such an obvious idiot in recent years.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by detachedindividual
As for protecting the British culture, what about the thousands of American companies in the UK, the shops, the restaurants? But that's ok, because America is white.

I've made similar comments in real life to people who have bemoaned at the emergence of pakistani corner-shops and kebab houses and how 'they all send the money back home and none of stays in this country' and so on.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by Merriman Weir]

I've had those discussions with people too, but it's funny that when you're out on the town late on a Friday night after closing, a kebab shop is their favorite place to be!

I especially love the racists with Black friends. In that case it's often alright because "they know them".
What's that word... Xenophobe?

Originally posted by detachedindividual
As for protecting the British culture, what about the thousands of American companies in the UK, the shops, the restaurants? But that's ok, because America is white.
Funny how the culture they want to protect encompasses everything unless the identity attached to it is Black, Asian, Gay, Muslim...
Basically when they say they want to protect British culture, they actually mean white heterosexuals with Christian values.

Err yes...

If they want to protect what they percieve as white culture, then they are free to espouse that position.

Britain was predominantly a white, Christian nation before any mass immigration.

I have no problem with the BNP trying to protect that character.

Britain's nature, historically speaking, has varied from white paganism to white christianity. However "Black, gay, asian or muslim" influences on the mainstream institutions should not be accepted. Britain should remain British in character... thats what makes it special as a country. I'm sure that if a million Frenchmen came to the UK and created ghettos where French was the majority language spoken and French culture predominated British culture, the BNP would rail against the French too.

The American influence you speak of is really an exception, since America is basically a derivation of England. And again, there aren't ghettos of Americans anywhere.

I think the issue that the BNP take with immigration is twofold:

1. That the immigrants are not checked for language proficiency.

2. That the immigrants are too concentrated into certain areas (Bradford, Brick lane etc). This makes the indigenous population of these areas uncomfortable... which is highly understandable.

I imagine that if 20% of my hometown suddenly within a generation became populated by Somalians who couldn't speak the languge, I too would feel uncomfortable. This happens throughout history... the newest immigrants always become the source of distrust. To deny that and to call it racist is to judge basic human response - its unfair. In time, things will settle. The best way to aid this acceptance and integration is to have an honest debate about it; followed by common sense measures such as tightening immigration laws, stopping unqualified immigration (ie illegal/ asylum) and also attempting to diffuse immigrants across the country.

Compare the perception of immigration in the UK (highly ghettoised immigrants) vs the perception of legal immigration in the USA (before 9/11). The US melting pot model is fantastic... the immigrants diffused over the entire country and enriched life via their own specific input. They all assimilated into the framework of America (ie the constitution), while maintaining their own practices at home.

There is so much leftist nonsense in this thread.

Yes, the BNP is right of centre.
Yes, some of their followers are odious racists.
But to liken them to Nazi's is laughable.
We live in a democracy, they have every right to express their opinions, the same as any other British citizen and their supporters are right to expect the same privacy as supporters of other political parties.
End of story!

Do we castigate supporters of The Socialist Workers Party and liken them to the actions of Stalin and other extreme left wing tyrants who have committed equally atrocious acts on mankind as Hitler etc.
If there is no place for the BNP then there is no place for the SWP, you cannot be selective in your discrimination against political beliefs.

On another tack; Britain has a long and proud history of accepting immigrants into it's society.
It absorbs the best from these cultures and these immigrants have helped British culture to grow and develop.
In turn these immigrants accepted and integrated into British society over a period of times.
The problem at present seems to be immigrants coming into the country and refusing to integrate, offering very little, if anything, positive to British society and indeed critisizing and working towards changing the very self same British society that has harboured and fostered them!
The wishes and desires of these immigrants seem to take priority over those of the indiginous population.
As long as this continues then there will be a rise in support for parties like the BNP.

There are policies of the BNP which I agree with, the vast majority of them I don't.
I wonder how many contributors to this thread have actually read their manifesto or visited their website and looked at their policies, with an open mind, rather just accept the pure nonsense printed and spoke about them in MSM.
I once watched Nick Griffen, not my idea of a party leader by any stretch of the imagination but..., being interviewed along with politicians from the major political parties and the tone in which he was interviewed was nothing short of insulting, derogatory and inflamatory whilst the interviewer was most dignified to the other politicians.

That there is a conspiracy to deny far right political views to be discussed in a reasoned and open arena I have no doubt.
Yet far left political views can be seen to be expressed and discussed quite openly in all forms of MSM.

As stated previously, I hold no particular allegiance to any political dogma or party.
I genuinely think party politics has failed us as has our whole current politcal electoral and parliamentary systems.
Party politics has led to strict adherence to party dogma; the party comes first, not the members constituents or the citizens of this country.
Allegiance to one political party displays a particular type of naivety and blind acceptance that I for one can not understand.
I personally do agree with some of the BNP's views, I also agree with some Green party opinions etc but the majority of my personal views would be viewed as left of centre and some outright anarchistic.

The reaction to this leak is also interesting; would the DJ have been sacked if it was leaked he was a member of SWP, I very much doubt it.
Hypocrisy and double standards of the highest order!

I just think that far right political parties should be afforded the same rights as far left parties; they are not at present.

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Originally posted by detachedindividual
As for protecting the British culture, what about the thousands of American companies in the UK, the shops, the restaurants? But that's ok, because America is white.

Who said those things aren't opposed? The reality is that almost all American shops and restaurants in Britain belong to enormous global corporations. Globalisation is a whole other monster to be fought, but those who fight it will find that when they do choose not to eat at Burger King or rent from Blockbuster, and prefer to go to independent businesses instead, they're often run by foreigners too.

Also, you have to consider that original American culture and racial stock is Germanic/Celtic - the same as Britain. Modern American culture is more out of touch with its origins than British culture, but still, it's less foreign. Nothing to do with the colour of skin. Eastern European Slavic culture is alien too, but they're still white.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I do not believe that the people who support the BNP can selectively decide to "ignore" the most hateful aspects of that party. If you support the BNP, you support the most radical ideals along with it.

In an ideal world, yes. But you have to realise that there are millions of British people with enormous reservations about the current Government's lax border policy. We're not racist and we don't particularly want to gravitate towards the BNP, but at the same time, we know that the Tories and Labour have continuously failed to address the issue. Where do we turn? For many people, immigration is one of the key concerns, so it's actually the failures of the mainstream parties that gives the BNP any strength at all.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
They even believe that this guy isn't racist and that the BNP is acceptable in our multicultural society.

Well, the BNP isn't acceptable in a multicultural society and that goes without saying. They oppose multiculturalism. I oppose racism but am also extremely skeptical about multiculturalism, mainly because I see it as a method by which races and cultures are destroyed. I don't want to see cultures destroyed - not mine, not India's, not Nigeria's, not Poland's.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I especially love the racists with Black friends. In that case it's often alright because "they know them".

Then they're clearly not genuine racists are they. It might seem like a bit of a crazy idea but it IS possible to love all races and cultures but simultaneously want them all to have their own homelands. I support Pan-Nationalism but have friends from multiple ethnic backgrounds. That means that I value them as people but believe it was a mistake to take them out of their (or their parent's or grandparent's) homelands - as much for them as for Britain. Of course, I would never support the forces deportation of these people because what's done is done and we need to make the best of the situation. However, I see nothing cruel or even insensitive about closing the border NOW. British residence should be a privelege not a right, and we're now the most densely populated major European country. Asylum seekers can almost always settle much closer to home and do not need to come here.

[edit on 20/11/2008 by Cythraul]

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This list was obtained/leaked illegally, without the permission of the party and most certainly without the permission of the names on the list.

As such links to the list will be removed.

You may not agree with the stance that these people take - and thats fair enough - but linking to lists showing peoples personally identifiable information is most certainly not allowed here. Imagine how you would feel under different circumstances if your details were being leaked.



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reply to post by neformore


But isn't that the point....there are people here who believe that because it is the 'Neo-Nazi' BNP party membership list and details that was leaked that is perfectly ok and in the public's interests...any divulgence of leftist party membership details etc would be an infringement of their civil liberties...hypocrisy and double standards!

reply to post by Freeborn


Definitely not OK, in more ways than one.

The initial lifting of the list was theft.

The publication of the list breaches the UK Data Protection Act, and then there are many implications as to infringements of civil rights that go along with it.

Peoples opinions as to whether the list should be public or not don't detract from the illegality of the actions of those who publish it.

The BNP is not a banned political party. Whilst alot of people find their policies distasteful the members of that party have as much a right to privacy as anyone else.

I went to School with a few people who are now in the BNP and Im NRI....I see them in the pub and have never had any problems with the guys I know....BUT....the guys I dont know are real assholes and have tried to have it out with me a few times....just because of the colour of my skin....the youth that join have no idea why they are joining...they think its just a group to join to have it out with different coloured skin....

One of the guys did tell me that they dont have a problem with Indians but a problem with muslims and they want them out.....pretty harsh as I have muslim friends who are fantastic people....

Originally posted by Freeborn
There is so much leftist nonsense in this thread.

Do we castigate supporters of The Socialist Workers Party and liken them to the actions of Stalin and other extreme left wing tyrants who have committed equally atrocious acts on mankind as Hitler etc.

Heh. Have you read this board recently? Left wing politics are synonymous with every tyrant and bogeyman under the sun!

I once watched Nick Griffen, not my idea of a party leader by any stretch of the imagination but..., being interviewed along with politicians from the major political parties and the tone in which he was interviewed was nothing short of insulting, derogatory and inflamatory whilst the interviewer was most dignified to the other politicians.

I've seen this myself and it's pretty childish, in my opinion. I'm at the other end of the political spectrum but I'm really against this. The same goes for the few BNP councillors that have held seats in local councils, often they're just blanked completely and other councillors just refuse to engage with them. That's not what any kind of politics should be about.

Yet far left political views can be seen to be expressed and discussed quite openly in all forms of MSM.

I'll agree to an extent I think the left of centre are tolerated but as with the right wing, the further left it goes the more it's dismissed. You only have to see the 'politically correct, socialist do-gooder' stereotypes through the to the 'raving commie' type stereotypes. I think the more entrenched or explicit a belief becomes the more it becomes ridiculed by the mainstream media.

As stated previously, I hold no particular allegiance to any political dogma or party.
I genuinely think party politics has failed us as has our whole current politcal electoral and parliamentary systems.

I think adherence to a two party system has certainly screwed us. Particular as the nature of one of the parties has really shifted over the years and at present both main parties are trying to hold a reactionary, populist centre ground. It annoys me that so many people still vote 'Labour' on principle simply because they're not the Conservatives without understanding how much the Labour have changed. New Labour have exploited that stupidity-cum-loyalty.

Originally posted by Freeborn
There is so much leftist nonsense in this thread.

I once watched Nick Griffen, not my idea of a party leader by any stretch of the imagination but..., being interviewed along with politicians from the major political parties and the tone in which he was interviewed was nothing short of insulting, derogatory and inflamatory whilst the interviewer was most dignified to the other politicians.



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Which is exactly how far-right racist idiots should be treated...

The B.N.P. has become a serious party because of peoples ignorance...
People are concerned about a range of issues from immigration to jobs... to houses..... and with the ridiculous spin, applied by these racist losers....guess what????

It all becomes the foreigners fault.... isn't that clever?..... with all the "war on terror" and post 9/11 paranoia going on, people are happy to blame the immigrant, or the non-whites.... it's an easy target.

The B.N.P are as far right as you can get.... "right of center"??

Right of center would be: The Conservative Party or United Kingdom Independence Party....

The B.N.P. as center-right?? puh...lease!!

We all (well most) remember what they were like (bnp) and how racist and bigoted their views were.(and still are)... I've had leaflets.... I've seen old footage....
Just because they now wear suits and call themselves a serious political party...does NOT mean we should treat them as one.


I hope all these losers and sorry excuses for human beings get what they deserve..... which seems to be happening.
Most are losing their jobs and most are living in fear...

I'm sure if the Labour party member list went missing.... it would be no big deal and the members would not be "living in fear".. neither would they be dreading going into work.... for fear of the sack...

Hmmmm.... i wonder why that may be.....

Guilt, fear, embarrassment........ who knows eh?

Originally posted by blupblup
Which is exactly how far-right racist idiots should be treated...

The B.N.P. has become a serious party because of peoples ignorance...

So now it's 'ignorant' to want to protect one's own culture? I see people attacking the BNP regularly and they have so much aversion to the concept of the party that they come out with near-fanatical, irrational and often untruthful claims about them. I find it very odd, because one of the major accusations lodged against the BNP is their fascist-like fanaticism.

It is shocking that people are losing their jobs because they are members of the BNP. They have been unfairly targeted by the press and politicians for a couple of years now and I see this as a way to 'knock them down a peg'. If you cant discriminate against a person for their religious beliefs, why is it ok to discriminate against them for their political beliefs?

The BNP are gaining recognition as a real party among a lot of people and this seems like a way of saying that if you dont support main stream politics then you may lose your job, or be targeted by vigilantes. It is basically bullying.

I think the BNP make a few good points, racism does work both ways. And from my experience minority groups are a lot more rascist than british people. Also immigration IS a big issue. They are not saying "dont let any blacks in", they are saying " if you dont want to integrate, dont bother coming". Which in my opinion is fair.

There are lots of different nationalities around the area i live in, and more and more foreign people are turning up all the time. Even people in some shops dont speak english here. Its INSANE.

That said though, I think they a young party who are still learning. I hope in the future they manage to shake their 'Rascist image' and make real waves among the established politicians.

i agree that the list should be published. if they hold them views then why are they hiding them. I do think it is wrong that they published the names of children on the list tho. Im not sure if americans know but alot of jobs in the uk for example the police service ban their workers from being members of the bnp (and yes fair enough they shouldnt as we should be able to be in any party we wish to be in ) however the views of the party are very right wing and to some degree racists and so it is felt that they shouldnt be allowed to work in those jobs.
Also with sites like redwatch ( www.redwatch.org... ) who openly put up pictures, names, addresses etc of left wing people i feel that we should be able to do it to them.


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