BNP Member list leaked!

I agree with everything Freeborn says re skinheads.

This issue is very interesting, though. There's an implication here that the authorities are behind the leak. Let us suppose that is so - should the fact that the majority of us find their views outrageous and unpleasant deny them the basic right to privacy that the rest of us enjoy? If so, why?

We all have our secrets - how would you feel if yours were broadcast over the web together with comprehensive contact details?

The flip side to which argument is: is a right to privacy a desireable thing if it protects a perceived threat to society? Where does the line get drawn?

LW

reply to post by Cythraul


Ah well thats a very mature statement.

Many people actually criticize immigrants for not integrating culturally in a historic sense. The rational side is that an immigrant cannot possibly identify with the historic heritage of the country.

You rightly say its bizarre that Hardeep Kohli uses "we" when he refers to British heritage. Just imagine how bizarre it would be for me to say "we" when referring to the British Raj controlling India, when in fact I come from India.

The mature response is to say that while immigrants must integrate 100% into their communities, it must only be in a pragmatic way. We must all be on the same page when it comes to law and order, customs and traditions (ie calling Christmas Christmas, not "the holiday season"). Beyond that, each community can have its own heart and soul. There is no reason for total integration, which I don't believe is possible. These policies may seem like multiculturalism, but make no mistake, they are not.

What I propose is a two-tier system where the British culture of the indigenous peoples of this country are iconicized and institutionalised. All the legal, political, religious framework of the state must be indigenous British in nature. Beyond that, it doesnt really matter if each community eats different food or listens to different music.

This way, an immigrant who comes to this country would be 100% supportive of the laws and procedures of this country, but would be free to keep his own identity in whatever matters are deemed personal.

Originally posted by Nuevo
Immigration into the UK (from outside the EU) has always been fairly strict and has recently been made more difficult.

You raise some interesting points Nuevo, but a few I'd like to contest.

The Government can publish all of the polls and statistics they like, but what counts are the experiences and perceptions of the average man or woman. Britain is seen as a soft touch. Look at the waves of asylum seekers who've travelled through 20 safe EU countries to reach the 'fabled green Isle to the far North West'. I could list a number of unnacceptable case studies from my own experience - like residence automatically granted through arranged marriages between British men and Indian or Pakistani women... or the fact that barely a word of English spoken at my local carboot sales, or... well, you get the picture. Point is, I don't care what the Government says. I've never been to a country and witnessed as many non-native-language speakers as here in Britain. We're not strict by any calculation. In terms of EU members, it's our benefit system rather than border policy that's to blame for our inundation.

Originally posted by Nuevo
But perhaps the many British expats in Spain should learn Spanish and not hide away in their English communities, reading The Sun and eating Fish & Chips. We should practice what we preach for a change.

I fully agree there. Anyone who flees Britain and complains about migration into Britain is a hypocrite, particularly if they don't even speak the language of their new home nation.

Originally posted by Nuevo
If a wealthy Brit doesn't want to pay his taxes (taxes set via a democratically elected government), then I seriously doubt their claims to be a patriot if they run.
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These same people also didn't care at all about the local white people's low wages and high unemployment. Bottom line: racists are self-serving, power control freaks.

I'll address these two together. Both those types of people are NOT patriots, no matter how racist they are . Patriotism is about loving your own folk, not hating others. You stick with your country through thick and thin.

Originally posted by Nuevo
The oft-cited decline of British culture is another myth.

No it isn't, or rather, it should be phrased differently. It's not so much a decline of British culture but more a loss of its sovereignty. It exists but no longer predominates. I do feel this is as much to do with Brits abandoning their culture as foreigners forcing theirs in. But there's a whole other issue related to that - the Globalist agenda's use of political correctness and white guilt to destroy the resolve of Brits. There are definitely pockets of people keeping traditions alive by gathering in pubs to play folk music, or by glorifying ancient history and myth in art, or by celebrating halloween, or speaking gaelic/brethonic - but more often than not those people feel they have to keep those things behind closed doors in order not to upset the politically correct climate, or be labelled 'racist' because they're celebrating their white forefather's traditions.

Originally posted by Nuevo
Many companies would simply fail without their labour force of low paid eastern Europeans. The local Brits are simply too lazy, claiming their many many benefits to get off their fat druggy arses and actually work for a living.

I argue this point more than any other, regularly. Yes, there are lazy scroungers, but mostly they simply have less incentive to gain from medial labour. To a Pole, minimum wage on a crappy job, for a temporary period, goes a long way to providing them a future in their home country. It does not go any way to providing a future in Britain for a Brit. British people aren't more lazy, they just have different requirements to foreigners. If you could buy a house by cleaning toilets for 20 years (like say, an Eastern European could) you'd do it. If not, why bother? It's important to note that the benefits system as exploited, proportionately at the very least, by foreign-born residents.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Just imagine how bizarre it would be for me to say "we" when referring to the British Raj controlling India, when in fact I come from India.

Absolutely. It works both ways and British Imperialism is no exception.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
What I propose is a two-tier system where the British culture of the indigenous peoples of this country are iconicized and institutionalised. All the legal, political, religious framework of the state must be indigenous British in nature. Beyond that, it doesnt really matter if each community eats different food or listens to different music.

Seems the most sensible solution. I think the more absolutist types such as the BNP would find this an effective long terms solution too. Part of the reason that many other European countries are bypassed by immigrants looking to settle is that we're overly tolerant here - to the point of our detriment. If it were made clear that British law and religion is not to be challenged or superceded, many immigrants might find this island a less desireable destination. We'd then receive only those who respect the country's traditions and want to live somewhere that allows a certain freedom of culture and belief.

Radio DJ Rod Lucas axed after appearing on BNP membership list

A male police officer in Merseyside and a radio DJ are the first alleged BNP members to face consequences after the far-right party's full membership list was leaked online.

TalkSport radio said this morning that it had "no plans to use" chat show presenter Rod Lucas, who covered late-night shifts for the station this year, after he was listed among more than 12,000 BNP supporters on an internet blog posted on Sunday night.

His name and contact details were included alongside his profession: "media: radio/TV production".

The Independent Police Complaints Commission confirmed this lunchtime that it had received an official referral relating to a serving Merseyside officer whose details also appeared on the list.

The IPCC said: "We received a referral from Merseyside Police at 1pm today. There is likely to be a decision this afternoon on whether the IPCC should be involved in an investigation or whether Merseyside deal with the matter internally."

It said that the local force had approached it this morning and that it would await further proactive moves from other forces, although the IPCC could take independent action if necessary to investigate individuals' conduct

www.timesonline.co.uk...

reply to post by 44soulslayer


Correlation != causation. Can you directly attribute the 15-year-long slide you've witnessed to immigration?

Unless you can, you might be barking up the wrong tree.

reply to post by dave420


I could well be wrong. I freely acknowledge that.

Any alternate theories?

reply to post by 44soulslayer


Countless - that is the problem. If you look at the factors that affect something as large and multi-faceted as a society that contains 60,000,000+ people, it's going to be very complicated.

Personally, I'd put poverty higher on the list than immigration. Of course poor immigrants don't help, but then the real problem there is the fact they are poor and not immigrants. Immigration, as rampant as some may think it is (which it might be) also helps the country a lot. We rarely hear of problems involving moderately-well-off immigrants, mainly because they have the means, free time, and motivation to 'integrate'. If you are working every hour god sends just to put food on your table, and often not succeeding, your home life (including that of your kids) is going to suffer.

If we could tackle poverty, I'm pretty sure crime levels would drop, religious intolerance would drop, and everyone would be happier. Of course I'm no expert on these things, but I can't remember the last time I heard of a rich person happy-slapping folks on the bus, riots breaking out in Mayfair, or the Queen being involved in a drive-by shooting

Originally posted by dave420
If we could tackle poverty, I'm pretty sure crime levels would drop, religious intolerance would drop, and everyone would be happier. Of course I'm no expert on these things, but I can't remember the last time I heard of a rich person happy-slapping folks on the bus, riots breaking out in Mayfair, or the Queen being involved in a drive-by shooting

Correllation does not = causality Dave...

Maybe the rich don't happy slap each other because they are brought up in a better manner than the poor. Maybe riots don't break out in Mayfair because the rich are more civil. Maybe it is those things that allowed them to become rich in the first place.

Poverty is not the root cause of our problems. Criminality does not leave criminals by virtue of becoming rich. Evidence?

Money is not some holy water or elixir against backward behaviour. To bring this into context with immigration, perhaps we can consider how certain immigrant communities (eg the Chinese) worked harder at making money rather than committing petty criminal offences (eg Caribbeans). Now you could backward correllate that and say that Caribbeans as a group perform worse than the Chinese in all aspects of society because Caribbeans live in poorer areas and tend to have lower paid jobs. I think the real reason that Caribbeans perform worse than the Chinese is because they have intrinsic failings within their group, which prevent them from becoming rich.

You are however correct that the problems which cause degeneration of society are multiple rather than singular. Nobody is suggesting that immigration is the whole story. What I am suggesting is that the basis of any modern state is the people found within it. We as a nation should be better at holding on to the best while keeping out the worst. For the last decade or so, the opposite of this has been true. Rectifying the imbalance would go a long way to future prosperity.

reply to post by 44soulslayer


Indeed correlation != causation

I think you might be taking me a bit too literally I'm not saying money per se is the panacea, but what it allows people to do. More wealthy areas have more activities for young folks to do, and the money those kids have also means they can afford to take up activities not provided by their local authority. I'd wager boredom and a lack of positive character building and role models is a massive issue for the underprivileged. It's often cited as a reason when I've read discussions between workers and poor kids who are in trouble.

Of course the basis of any group of people is the people found within - I'm merely saying that the cause for some people to be less-than-desirable isn't due to their culture or where they're from, but their current circumstances.

That's all I was saying

Here we have a great potential conspiracy, and yet all most people wish to discuss is how racist and evil BNP members are.

How exactly does it happen that a group of people espousing nationalism, is precluded from employment with and in the British power structure? In America this was known as McCarthyism when practiced against the Communists, perhaps a bit of an Eye for an Eye by the Globalists against the Nationalists?

Why is this document being released now? Could it be Obama's election driving fears of a resurgence of British nationalism? Or economic hardships on the horizon and the inevitable blame that will be laid at the feet of those currently in power? A preemptive show of force and of the repercussions to those that would dare oppose the current ruling elite?

Instead all that's said by the useful idiots, which is supposed to be meaningful, is that the BNP is a Racist organization. Discredit the messenger so people can deny the message and the environment in which it was delivered.

Deny Ignorance and think for yourselves.

reply to post by kameuh

A welcome addition to the thread. The last few appearances Nick Griffin has made on national television have caused me to raise an eyebrow. One BBC (or was it Sky News?) presenter chanted, repeatedly: "but you're racist aren't you" whilst Nick Griffin not only stated the reasons why the BNP are NOT racist, but also attempted to address the issue at hand. It's sensationalism and conditioning like only the MSM know how.

Coming at the whole BNP issue from a conspiracy theory perspective as opposed to a political one, you start to see things in a new light. Ignore the possiblity of conspiracy and it appears to be a simple case of racist bigots being treated with all the respect they deserve - none! But look at it from an objective point of view and it becomes clear that the mainstream media are hellbent on misrepresenting the BNP for some unknown reason... or at least, that reason is unknown until you start to consider how much of a threat Nationalism and culture are to a Globalist agenda.

I may not wholly agree with the BNP, but I do believe they deserve a level playing field. Then it is up to the public to make up their minds, not the media to make it up for us. I readily accept the possiblity that this theft of private information was part of that campaign by mainstream media/politics.

The BNP Is almost a terrorist group,

And a Baby at the same time.

Their Values include: White Supremecy, Lazyness, Wife Beating, Drug dealing, Money Laundering.....I would go on, but it's best not to.

dont vote them into parliment, it's bad enough what we have at the moment.

reply to post by Cythraul


"The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right[11][12][13][14] and whites only[11][15][16] political party in the United Kingdom."

As a BNP member do you feel threatened? I wouldif i activly promoted violence against women, and non-white humans.

Originally posted by monkeybus
Their Values include: White Supremecy, Lazyness, Wife Beating, Drug dealing, Money Laundering.....I would go on, but it's best not to.

Evidence please! It'll be gladly accepted if you can provide it. If not, we can write your post off as malicious slander. I mean, the BNP are far from perfect, but generalisations are exactly what an anti-racist like yourself (and myself) should be avoiding.

reply to post by Cythraul


Looko it up yourself, a recent leader who was trying to get a seat in parliment, was quoted:

"women need a good slap sometimes"

and there is plenty on the racism, just look on face book. do your own research its your party.

Dont cry Slander everytime someone hit the nail on the head.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by monkeybus]

reply to post by kameuh


Because if a party espouses treating people differently based on their colour or nationality, it is a conflict of interest if a party member works in a position where they are not allowed to do that.

It's not really that difficult to figure out.

reply to post by fringe


Every person who sent an email to ANY person on that list will be tracked down as all email adresses have been handed to the police, sleep well

Originally posted by Freeborn
However, to compare the BNP with Muslim extremists and terrorists is downright disgraceful.
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I said extremist radicals not terrorists.
The sweeping and ignorant way both groups stigmatise people they've never met to me seems quite similar.
Indulging in lazy prejudice and fostering (and promoting) feelings of bigotry,intolerance and prejudice could also be another comparative factor.