US: It looks like the U.S. is in it's last stages.

[pressimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/785ba79fda62.jpg[/pressimg] I know there may have been a thread with this name before but this was brought to my attention. I do not know the source, it was sent to me via e-mail, but you are all free to type the name of the professor in on google, and find the quote somewhere. Here is what I found:

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about
it, you can see it coming.
I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see
it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.
How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in
1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some
2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government.'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves
generous gifts from the public treasury.' 'From that moment on, the majority
always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public
treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to
loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of
history, has been about 200 years'
'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following
sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul ,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2
Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat
territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements
and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the
United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of
Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the
nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders
called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are
not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.


That was the end of the message. I do not know what to make of all of this. It is scary, but it hits hard. This is my first post but I have been looking around at all of the other posts, that seem a bit, unimportant.

In the midst of the election and the events of the past 9 years, a lot of things seem fishy to me.

The only thing I care about is this country, and the true Americans who see what is going on.

Please this being my first post, please reply.

Well... Although I agree with the Scotsman's breakdown, I disagree that it will matter whether "illegals" are allowed to vote. I also know PLENTY of wage slaves, paying their taxes and being "good citizens" that voted Democrat.

I still believe that it really doesn't matter whetehr we have one or the other of the two sanctioned parties in the White House. They may have superficial differences, but they are still controlled by the "Hidden Highers." And it is them, the HH's, that we must worry about. All the partisan bickering and finger-pointing is a smokescreen for the true movement to take us over.

Oh, and welcome to ATS as a poster!

Welcome to ATS!

I think where the Unite States went wrong is that we rested on our laurels and expected this to continue to work. We got fat and forgot about the fighting and loss it took to make this nation. I believe it was Ben Franklin that said Democracy would only last 200 years or so.

Any other ATSer have the exact quote?

Sounds like another illegal alien scare tactic.

Amazing how 20 million illegals can do more damage to our nation than the 300 million that reside here legally. If you want to buy the hype, go for it. Last time I checked, illegals weren't the ones giving away 700 billion dollars to any failing company that wanted it. Our problems have been around for a long time and our government chose to pretend that the problems would fix theselves.How many elections have we been through were we have heard promises to fix things that were also promises in previous elections. Social security, infrastructure, energy, defense spending, pork barrel, government waste, medicaid, medicare, and the list goes on and on. It is like a repeating cycle. Once and for all, face the issue and find the best solution possible. Nobody will ever be in agreement with the solution, but we as a nation will learn to deal with it one way or the other.

edited for repetition.... didn't read the 1st post correctly. Sorry

NOT a one line post

[edit on 18-11-2008 by shakadolphin]

I made a tongue-in-cheek post about this a while back.

The one good thing about this, is that the pattern is designed to repeat itself. So at least we can look forward to the day when we really have leaders and heroes and we can become free.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by Wolf321]

Oops wrong thread-- Mods please delete

[edit on 18-11-2008 by OuttaHere]

gerald celente said that the U.S economy is going to just completely collapse in 2012. Nations come and go, it happens, especially the mighty. The united states is like the modern day Rome on the verge of collapsing.

You could be right, but I don't see why it is that most Americans see their country as one that can not fall. If anything, this naive attitude is the perfect example of American ignorance and blindness. Lack of interest is another too. Nobody cares anymore. The only thing people care about anymore are what new Ipod is coming out, what celebrity is vomiting, and whatever other expendable asset that they have been consumed by. It doesn't come down to Republicans, Democrats, bail-outs, stocks, oil, etc., it comes down to sheer lack of knowledge and understanding of the world around them. This country has fallen victim to "Do as I say, not as I do." We have let this country fall apart. We have let ourselves be removed from the decision making process. Why? Laziness...unwillingness to stand up for whats right. Constant bitching about what is wrong instead of doing something about it. The onlythe only thing that can save this country now is a new American Revolution.

History has shown us time and time again what has and has not worked. I think our time to learn from history has come and gone. We have failed, and we deserve what we get. I can not lead a revolution at this point. I don't have the knowledge or resources right now.

Who will stand up? The sand has almost filled the bottom portion of the hourglass. Time is short.

Well some people are concerned about the gradual slip into tyranny that has been going on since 1913. I am very concerned and have been one of the ones getting my very own Obama commemorative edition AR15. I expect most of the Americans to bend over and take what ever uncle sam has to give them. I for one am a tax payer and im fed up with getting #ed which ammounts to 3500 a month when I leave the country. The economy will tank real soon and people will be starving especially the lazy people and maybe for once they will wake up but I seriously doubt it. I for one look forward to states breaking away from the union because that atleast gives a chance of freedom that will never come about with stupid idiots walking to the polls. So go ahead and flame me but the numbers speak for themselves because only 1 percent of the people ever vote independent so that shows 1 percent are wolves while the rest are SHEEP. Oh btw Your government loves You!

reply to post by Jdubbas1


Go to this website. www.snopes.com...
they explain how this is more myth than fact.

here is an even better site that says, "A detailed response from the library of the University of Edinburgh reveals that no such quotation appears in the library's holdings of books by Tytler."
www.lewrockwell.com...

Yeah, it sounds great but it's simply words with no real quotes.

Paime beat me to it.

Welcome and beware.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by Rollinster]

I am not disagreeing at all, I completely agree. I am simply pointing out that there is not one thing in particular that can be blamed. What is happening is the nature of the beast. It has been happening literally for thousands of years. Empires rise and fall, thats how it goes.

I found this on a website regarding this Professor:

Prof. Joe Olson has a request--if anyone comes across a "quotation" from him regarding a Scottish 18th century writer, please inform those you can that it's bogus:

Friends,

The bogus e-mail (from 2000) erroneously attributed to me is going around the internet again. It has now morphed into at least 4 versions (each with a different political twist) with people now freely adding fabricated "quotes" from me.

I've had two friends show me copies in the past two weeks and I've received numerous e-mails seeking (luckily) to verify the alleged quotes. I've replied to all telling them it is bogus.

My Hamline web page has the following disclaimer on it. That appears to have a positive effect because several correspondents have mentioned it to me and have said they are forwarding it to their e-mail lists.

"DISCLAIMER: There is an e-mail floating around the internet dealing with the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scotish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, etc. Part of it is attributed to me. It is entirely BOGUS as to my authorship. I've been trying to kill it for 3 years. For more details see: www.snopes.com..."

If you run across this bogus e-mail, please help me kill it by notifying whoever sent it to you that it is an internet hoax.

Source: armsandthelaw.com...

The snopes link debunks this thoroughly, and provides sources. The link, as in the quote above, is: www.snopes.com...

[edit on 11/18/2008 by AceWombat04]

The Sovereign Liberties: Foundations for the People's New World Order

amoffat.com...

reply to post by Jdubbas1

As they say, you can use statistics to tell all sorts of lies. Sure, the Democrats control real estate with the higher murder rate because they control the largest cities where most of those crimes occur. But it is in these cities that you also find the premier cultural events such as symphonies, ballet, opera, visual arts, museums and the list goes on. And don't forget the financial centers. Furthermore, didn't the ancient Egyptian civilization last 3000 years? Let me see the professor fit these facts into his theory.

reply to post by AceWombat04

Its a pity I missed this debunking before I made my post, but it just goes to sho that this whole thing is a farce.

hehe I find it ironic that my mom has always said that great nation's only last about 200 years and that we are getting to the end of our rope in terms of that saying.

also, 2012 isn't the End of Times but the End of The New York Times

Debunked YAY

[edit on 18-11-2008 by MoothyKnight]

Not only is the quote attributed to Tytler fictional.
But so is the additional analysis of Professor Joseph Olson.

But in response to my e-mail, Olson said the “research” was attributed to him erroneously. He said it came from a Sheriff Jay Printz in Montana. I e-mailed Sheriff Printz, and guess what? He didn’t do the research either, and didn’t remember who had e-mailed it to him.

[url=http://www.punditreview.com/2007/01/how-long-do-we-have/#comment-156891]http://www.punditreview.com/2007/01/how-long-do-we-have/#comment-156891[/ url]

[edit on 18-11-2008 by slimpickens93]

But it doesn't necessarily make the information any less accurate or meaningful.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by slimpickens93]

reply to post by edgecrusher2199


Bingo! I'm on vacay right now in South America and therefore have more time to do one of things I like to do most: read history. While I have some pretty heavy stuff with me, I just completed the fantastically readable Founding Myths: Stories That Hide Our Patriotic Past by Ray Raphael. Had a really good discussion about it with my normally apathetic husband that turned pretty heated. He wonders why I go searching for the truth when nobody even cares anymore.

The sad thing is that he's no wage slave. He's a brilliant physician who thinks life is going great and that even though our taxes will increase, Obama's going to make the country great again. (He didn't vote for Obama as he doesn't vote due to the aforementioned apathy.)

Current mood: frustrated...

edit to add that I realize that the OP's linked email has been documented a hoax but stand by my relpy to edgecrusher...

[edit on 18-11-2008 by micheshi]