Halt Israeli Nuclear program

"I want to tell you something very clear, don 't worry about America... we. the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
-Ariel Sharon- (Israel's Prime Minister)

I think that should answer many questions.

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Originally posted by Maxmars
Clearly, the notion of a strategic 'self-defense' weapon is nonsense.

The proposition that "mutually assured destruction" deters war, isn't defensible.

Nuclear weapons and delivery systems are exclusively 'offensive' in nature, and if you are going to make the claim that other countries like Iran and others are 'threatening' because of their development of such weapons, then you can't deny the same 'threat' is being carried out by your own government.

This is about money. The military industrial complex, as it has manifested itself in Israel, is no different from any other. War (or the 'threat' of war) = Profits. Just asks the bankers.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Maxmars]

I totally agree with this.

Isreal can keep hiding behind many things, including the holocaust and all the rest of the crimes brought against it's people. I'm sorry that your people have suffered for thousands of years, but many times you brought it on yourself... and your not the only people on this planet that have suffered greatly. Besides, just 1 human being suffering is enough!!!

Yeah right! Ever since Moses left Egypt the Cannanites, aka Arabs have hated, fought, killed, tried to stop Jews/Israelits from doing anything!

Muslims and their sympathizers, which include American/European leftists, gay-agendarites, human secularists, atheists, communists, hate Israel and Christians. They want them eliminated from planet Earth! Period! So cut the crap and say what you really mean!

These poeple think that the total elimination of Israel, Christians, Jews, will solve all of their problems. Yet, it's the Sunni's and Shiia's , Wahabists, that grind each other into the dust! Anyone hear of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Reallybasistan? These people love two things, VIOLENCE AGAINST EVERYONE ELSE and cult murder! They actually believe their prayers! If they only knew!

Israel should be encouraged to develope new delivery systems, neutron weapons, superior chemical/bio-logical weapons. So much so that when the Hamas groups attack again; they are completely eradicated from Lebanon, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Iran.

You go Moshie, David, and Benjamin, crush me if then try to f--k with you! Take em out for 50 generations.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Amadhinejad would like to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon for 3 main reasons

1.he hates Israel and the Jews who live there

2.he believes that any Jews killed in an attack will end up in Hell,and any Iranians killed in any retaliatory attack will go straight to islamic paradise

3.he believes that any such conflagration will result in the appearance of the Mahdi,the so called muslim messiah who will win the world for islam


all in all a dangerous cocktail for the region to deal with.

iran has the second largest jewish population in the middile east , next to israel , they have a representative in the government , jewish hospitals andmany synagogues.


which kind of trumps the rest of the rubbish you spouted.

reply to post by ACEMANN


Moshe Dayan quote:
"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’...We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."

This is not about MAD. It is about International Nuclear Blackmail. The world does nothing to stop any of Israel's aggressions and land-grabs because they are afraid of a nuclear holocaust.

United States, Britain and others aid and abet the Zionists because it suits their purposes. It fills a vacuum left by the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The sole purpose of Israel - from its modern beginning - was to destabilize the Middle East and prevent Arab and Moslem states from forming a United Arab front. This was done by destablizing Iran by overthrowing the legitimately elected government and establishing the Shaw on the throne. It was done in Arabia by supporting a corrupt and bloated, fornicating & brutal aristocracy.

The irony of calling Iran a terrorist state because they abide by international law regarding their nuclear program, yet praising Israel as a modern democracy whilst blackmailing the world with their illegal nuclear weapons is ludicrous.

reply to post by Starance


why are you bringing holocaust into this?

en.wikipedia.org...

i think i know the answer, yet another anti-jewish rhetoric.
you took a perfectly balanced reply, and polluted it with
your irresponsible comments. "hinding under many things"
- what are you talking about???

your reply is meaningless.

reply to post by Wally Conley


There is no indication that any country will or would destroy Israel. The threat of Israhell to bomb Mecca is real.

reply to post by mrmonsoon

And what would be so bad about that?

Come on, Phoenix. We've been through this before, and you're much more intelligent than to act like you don't know.

When Israel first became a state in 1948 after the UN Palestine partition, just as soon as they could gather their forces, in 1948 10,000 Egyptians, 4,500 Transjordans (Jordanians), 3,000 Iraqi's, 3,000 Syrians, and 2,000 ALA (Saudi's and Lebanese) with 35,000 irregulars of the Haganah attacked Israel for the purpose as stated on radio Cairo,

"This will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres, and the Crusades." Azzam Pahsha, Arab League Secretary

And you know what? This same message or variations thereof have been repeated ever since.

Halt their nuclear program?

In your dreams.

Personally, had this been said and I had my finger on the button, Cairo would have disappeared. So apparently, the Israeli's have cool heads and their power insures their survival.

Nothing else will.

triple lol. Your quote is taken out of context. The arab league secretary is talking about the terrorist methods of the jewish settlers against the arabs, not about what arabs are planning to do. He is perhaps referring to the different war crimes attributed to israeli "Heroes" like Ariel Sharon or David Ben-Gurion, who cut out live foeti out of pregnant arab women in order to scare the palestinians from their homeland to create living space for jews.

But you have one point: the same methods, or variations thereof, like field testing thermobaric weapons on palestinian children, have been used by the israeli terrorists ever since.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by ergoli]

Originally posted by eventHorizon
why are you bringing holocaust into this?

your reply is meaningless.

Well, Israel itself is often enough floating around the idea that it's arsenal is necessary to "avert another Holocaust" and that the jewish people have already paid dearly and will never pay again, thanks to their inhumane methods.


[edit on 24-11-2008 by ergoli]

reply to post by ergoli


Source to this statement, please:

Heroes" like Ariel Sharon or David Ben-Gurion, who cut out live foeti out of pregnant arab women in order to scare the palestinians from their homeland to create living space for jews.

Or it is just another empty propaganda war material?

reply to post by ergoli

Ergoli - you're full of crap. Those words were broadcast on Cairo radio to proclaim what was going to be done to the Israeli's.

I heard almost the identical, same hateful rhetoric in early 1967. Arabs love to work themselves up for a good slaughter. Just as well, and they've been slaughtered every time they set out to wipe out Israel.

Maybe the Jewish God JAWEH is the real God, and Allah the moon-god is the imposter, which would account for the overwhelming success of the Jews.

I don't like nuclear weapons and don't think any country should have them!

Salesman you made some good points there pal!

IMHO!

reply to post by TSOM87

That's terrible. You don't think nuclear weapons should be owned by anybody.

Some may think that computers shouldn't be owned by anybody either, as they stunt intellectual growth.

Or cars, because they kill so many people each year. Every four years, cars kill more people than both atomic bombs together killed.

Some may thing that electricity should be eradicated. Every year, folks are electrocuted.

Get serious. Once the genie is out of the bottle, wishing won't get that little bitch back in.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by ergoli

 

MY REPLY
As a sovereign nation that's not a signatory to any inspection treaties Israel has no legal or moral obligations to open its nuclear weapon program or facilities to the UN, which is basically anti-Israel and a den of thieves and spies.

You are mistaken. all countries having access to even civilian nuclear technology have a legal obligation of adhering to the NPT under customary law.

But I would challenge you online to answer one simple question directly; does Israel have a right to exist as a Jewish nation with secure borders recognized by all its Arab and Persian neighbors, yes or no?

What is a jewish nation to you ? an Apartheid state founded on the back of five million palestinian refugees who are being denied their right to return to their homeland? if yes, the answer is no: denying right of return and apartheid are crimes against humanity and warrant immediate military action against the perpetrator (see Serbia/Bosnia)

What are secure borders for you ? Borders recognized internationally (1948) or borders illegally acquired using military means ? If it's the latter, be informed that territorial expansion using military power is unconditionally illegal since 1945.




[edit on 27-11-2008 by ergoli]

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by ergoli

 

Source to this statement, please:

Heroes" like Ariel Sharon or David Ben-Gurion, who cut out live foeti out of pregnant arab women in order to scare the palestinians from their homeland to create living space for jews.

Or it is just another empty propaganda war material?

www.countercurrents.org...

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by TSOM87

 

That's terrible. You don't think nuclear weapons should be owned by anybody.

Some may think that computers shouldn't be owned by anybody either, as they stunt intellectual growth.

Or cars, because they kill so many people each year. Every four years, cars kill more people than both atomic bombs together killed.

Some may thing that electricity should be eradicated. Every year, folks are electrocuted.

Get serious. Once the genie is out of the bottle, wishing won't get that little bitch back in.

Comparing Nuclaer Bombs to Cars or Computers! and your telling me to get serious.....lol!

Think how many people would be killed if one of those WMD went off! Yes cars can be used to kill people, but in general cars are used to get to places not to wipe out people! They wern't built in the first place to wipe people of the earth! WMD are ONLY for that, killing people!

I don't think America, Iran or any country should have WMDs!

reply to post by ergoli


What is this , some kind of sick joke? I read the article and saw no sick live fetus cutting by Sharon or By Ben Gurion. Are you trying to prove your point or make it look ridiculous? Real tragedies described in this article (that is biased too, but at least not hugely blown out of proportions) get mixed up with the lies you wrote and become semi-truths . Attempts in your post to mix old antisemitic myths with current conflict situation are pretty transparent.
Can you show me where is the source of your quote , double please.
Or dis-info and propaganda is your game?


[edit on 27-11-2008 by ZeroKnowledge]

reply to post by ergoli

Borders recognized internationally (1948) or borders illegally acquired using military means ?

All wars between Israel and Arab countries were waged because 1948 borders were (and in majority of those countries are) NOT recognized by Arab countries. So what exactly is your point? If 1948 international partition plan was accepted - current mess would have not happen. I think that you are aware what side did not accept it. And ,once again - largely does not accept it even now. Iranian leader - one example.