Those behind the Obama Birth Cert conspiracy

reply to post by arizonascott


AGAIN, I will ask you: WHAT DOES A BIRTH CERTIFICATE HAVE TO DO WITH TERRORISM?

I'll answer that for you: NOTHING!

Furthermore, what do Muslims or as you put it "Fringe Muslim" have to do with terrorism?

Again, I'll answer for you: NOTHING!

Your statements do nothing but show your BIGOTRY.

reply to post by Aggie Man


Already the veil of secrecy falls on the new President and he has not even been sworn in yet. We have been dealing with a Government who has not been transparent in any way since 9/11

It looks like we are going to go through it for at least another 4 years.

Again, I didn't label his friends terrorists, that was done by the media.

And again, I want to know where he was born - America or Kenya

You seem very passionate and hopeful for Obama - Use that passion to get someone, anyone to show the Birth Certificate and have it examined and these types of questions will end. It is that simple.

I too had high hopes for change when we elected all the Democrats into the Congress, but what results have they achieved? Nancy Pelosi has done nothing. None of them have!

The only change I see is that the first black man is about to be President and one who might be foreign born from Kenya and attended a school in Indonesia - a known breeding ground for terrorists and a country that hates America.

And just because I used the word black don't flame me with words, my daughters are black and I am not racist in any way, shape or form!

I am no bigot, I just want a simple answer - Can anyone produce an original Birth Certificate

One more note to add, here is a snippet from the other Obama thread:

The California action was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Alan Keyes, the presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, along with Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson, both California electors.

"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that (a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States
, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal," the action challenges.

"usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States"

What does that mean? Who would be sitting as President? That should scare you more than these questions and debate.

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reply to post by arizonascott


I refer to you bigotry in the sense of labeling Obama as a "fringe Muslim" as if being Muslim implies terrorist or something negative.

Secondly, he has already produced enough evidence to convince me that he is American born...but what does it matter if he wasn't? His mother was American born; therefore, he is afforded American citizenship by law. He never renounced his citizenship.

Example:
If your parents were American and they had gone to Kenya on a safari while your mother was pregnant with you. Imagine if she had given birth to you while out on that Safari. By your logic, you would not be a US citizen....WELL, that could not be farther from the truth.

SOOOOO.....AGAIN I ASK: What does his birth certificate have to do with proving his citizenship? Again I will answer for you: NOTHING!

Repetition, repetition, repetition....this HOPEFULLY will eventially sink in to ALL of ypou who think that the BC matters one little tiny microscopic iota.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

It's shocking to me after reading some of the posts here that the GOP and Karl Rove's political machine didn't simply hire this bunch of investigators instead of rolling over and accepting an Obama presidency.

Apparently the reading of threads, biased blogs and various other unsubstantiated innuendo from the comfort of an armchair offers far greater opportunities for real "fact-finding" than initiating a logical investigation using qualified and experience personnel, documenting relevant evidence, respecting legal precedent or the laws governing the holding of public office.

Originally posted by arizonascott
I am no bigot, I just want a simple answer - Can anyone produce an original Birth Certificate

Sure, the state of Hawaii, which has already verified it holds his birth certificate, and that is valid. You want them to let you see it also?

reply to post by interestedalways


Perhaps he cannot show the birth certificate because he is the messiah and this really is his second coming, he just floated out of thin air.

reply to post by Aggie Man


First of all the way you phrase your comment is way over the top, I am only asking like everyone else for a birth certificate - geez.

And to answer your question although over the top, if I was going about it that way it would also include McCain since he was born in Panama while his parents were in the service there. His birth is justified since his Dad was stationed in Panama.

Isn't it funny how that election ended up - the Murdoch paid media sold us the only two candidates who were born out of the United States.

Wierd

Dude, do you have a birth certificate? I mean if you were running for office then wouldn't you be able to produce it quiet easily?

I could and many others on this thread have said they could as well!

Why is Obama's birth certificate so special?

Just the fact that they hide one little piece of paper says so much!

I have mine right here!

Show me Barack Hussein Obama II's damn birth certificate!

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reply to post by Irish M1ck


NO, I want a professional note examiner to hold it, smell it, tear off a piece and acid test the type of peper, look at the age of ink, look at the raised seals and most of all I want them to verify this document - I dop not want it verified from his pals in the media, or the Obama favoring websites or his personal website!

I want an independent - non-biast investigator who is a proven document specialist to compare his birth certificate with a current resident of Hawaii's a birth certificate from the same exact time period!

Same ink, same paper, same raised seal, same everything!

Then we will all be able to let him do his job, and its a big one just look around!

Bankrupt banks, millions of forclosures, millions losing their jobs, wars, corrupt government, unloyal foreign lobbyists!

He has a lot of work to do - lets make sure he is the best "American" for the job

That will pretty much do it

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reply to post by arizonascott


Maybe that happened, you can't be sure. The state of Hawaii has said that they are 100% sure that he was born there.

no website is going to post news that is not biased, as people intereseted in posting the articles generally will have a very strong opinion (and yes that goes for abovetopsecret.com as well). Where your intelligence comes in is what/who you choose to believe and what you to with the information given to you, and with the internet being so useful to communicate these ideas its easy for people to read something and latch onto it, not considering the whole situation.

I personally believed the birth certificate thing, as a friend told me who is usually pretty trustworthy about stuff like this, but when governments work so hard to cover stuff up *all the time* it does become difficult to ever really find the truth about anything.

If these lawsuits are frivolous that will be determined in the courts. Nobody here knows all the facts. I see no reason for anyone to act like they have the definitive answer. Personally, I am a skeptic because for the life of me I cannot understand why he doesn't pay the fee and get the VAULT copy that is proof positive. Instead, he is choosing to fight this to the tune of God knows how much money and bad PR. I don't like the idea of wasting court time or anybody money, but there is reason it is playing out like this. It will be clear in time.

Now I feel like I should brace myself for a pit bull attack for having my own thoughts. Any harsh words I receive for this post are certainly your right, but they're not going to convince me of anything or change my mind, but they speak volumes about your level of civility.

When Watergate happened it was small potatoes in the MSM. Back then it was the "sore loser liberals" that kept bringing it up. Now the "sore loser conservatives" are making an issue of the BC thing. Does this make it less of an issue? Is one person's perspective more important than another's?

Instead of getting so bent out of shape with the idea of these lawsuits maybe we should be thankful we live in a society where we still have the right to challenge the government (and it's employees) in court. It's much better than some alternatives.

Originally posted by arizonascott
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

First of all the way you phrase your comment is way over the top, I am only asking like everyone else for a birth certificate - geez.

You are asking for something that is not asked of any other candidate.

Geez

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
If these lawsuits are frivolous that will be determined in the courts. Nobody here knows all the facts. I see no reason for anyone to act like they have the definitive answer. Personally, I am a skeptic because for the life of me I cannot understand why he doesn't pay the fee and get the VAULT copy that is proof positive.

Easy... because No other candidate has to supply a vault copy.

There is no reason to dignify just any accusation with a response. Especially one that was dreamed up to cause suspicion.


There is nothing to be skeptical about, someone sued him in court, and the court dismissed it. That's it.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


I respect your thoughts, but isn't it a little telling that there are no high profile Conservatives, members of the RNC, or anyone in the government going after this?

It seems like the only ones spearheading this are fringe elements like Keyes, Corsi, and Berg. I actually haven't heard squat about it in the MSM or otherwise, and I'm a news junkie.

reply to post by Avenginggecko


This may be telling, telling exactly what I'm not sure. Maybe no one wants to look like they have sour grapes. Much of MSM supported Obama and they might not be to eager to turn on him so soon. KInd of deflates the ego a bit, I'd say.

Drudgereport has this link on their site right now:

www.nbcaugusta.com...

and it was mentioned on Coast-to-Coast on Sunday night I believe.

I just Googled "Alan Keyes Obama lawsuit" and got 34,200 sites. It is getting discussed.

Like I said, the answers will come in time.




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reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


Interesting. I'll read it in the morning and hopefully get back to ya. Thanks for the link

Edit: Not one line?

[edit on 18-11-2008 by Avenginggecko]

Maybe or maybe there's an obvious effort to subvert the truth about Obama's foreign birth? Don't really know, but if it's true three of his relatives themselves said he was born in Kenya I would tend to believe there just might be something to it. They would have everything to gain by backing him and little or nothing to gain by alienating him. I would say that might well indicate a real issue where as trusting a government document that can be arranged is to me not good proof of his citizenship.

Originally posted by ReelView
Maybe or maybe there's an obvious effort to subvert the truth about Obama's foreign birth? Don't really know, but if it's true three of his relatives themselves said he was born in Kenya I would tend to believe there just might be something to it. They would have everything to gain by backing him and little or nothing to gain by alienating him. I would say that might well indicate a real issue where as trusting a government document that can be arranged is to me not good proof of his citizenship.

Can you prove that three of his relatives claim he was born in Kenya? They are still having trouble just proving that his grandma said, now there are two more?

Ok guys just state what you really want to say. That the NSA, CIA, FBI, and the DHS, and the thousands upon thousands of citizen employees working for them, thousands who would also have any clearance they need to verify the eligibility of a candidate are all in a conspiracy to violate American laws.

Every single one of the security agencies in the US who easily have clearance to get any information they want about the average ATS'er if need be, let alone a man running for POTUS are in a conspiracy to kill America. YEs. Every single opne of the thousands of individuals who would easily have the clearance have all been bought off or simply are working in sync to violate our laws.

Yes, it really is as rediculous as it sounds. How many of you are going to continue this upon his re-election? Thats right, eight years of the Obama administration is what we are going to get, and thank goodness for that.

GOD forbid a man put the interests of the well deserved citizen and the services they deserve before tax breaks for mega-conglomerates and protections for the richest and greediest people on Earth.

Three years into his Presidency there will still be conspiracy nuts advocating this topic. Sevens years into his presidency you will still be at it. Once his second term is over, guess what, noone will care. Even you will all stop. Because the man you hate wont be in office anymore. Good luck. Too bad you cant have as much optimism about fixing the education system as you have about the illegitamcy of our President-elect.