This is a must know. Scary re-education camps?

It just seems like you are painting a picture of something that this is not. 1-2 hours mandatory? That's way less then what my public high school required. Programs like these already exist and if he wants to expand them to include more people then more power to him. The world needs more volunteers, even if it's mandatory. It's called serving and learning how to help someone other then yourself. Have you ever tried it? (that is a rhetorical question)

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Who are the grey panthers? and alot of there money came from people and groups like this. AKA untraceable donations, sound "somewhat" familiar?

www.guardian.co.uk...

This is "whether born there or not" his native land.

I had posted this video in the "Congressman warns" thread a few days ago. His remarks are very alarming. It is just sad that many people would much rather ignore his words and put so much faith into what Obama has said even while ignoring the scary things that he says. It is almost like people are blinded by his words of hope that they ignore his other words that should make them pay attention.

Sometimes I wonder if we have been trained. So many years of hearing Bush and company "misspeak" it is almost as if people just assume that is what other Politicians are doing too so they completely disregard anything they say that does not go along with his message of hope, prosperity, etc etc.

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Preach, preach, preach. It's amazing that you have a better understanding of our gov. than most americans do. Although i guess if they don't teach it at school and it's not taught at home, how would people know?

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I've listened the videos and read everything you put forward in your OP. I actually fall under that age 18-25 for community service. I've done a lot of community service, for school and nature organizations. It's not that bad of a deal and I don't see 1-2 hours a weekend being that much of a burden.

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3-4 months of mandatory "training" and it goes well beyond community service. How do you not see that?

How do you not see my point?

We are both blinded by our opinions and it seems like neither side is going to budge. I see it as being something good, you are choosing to see it as something negative.

Not much we can do beyond agreeing to disagree.

Originally posted by Benarius
This is how the Hitler-Youth movement started. Nice one. They at first didn't notice themselfs what was really going on. Wake up America. Do yourself a favour and fight those radicals hiding behind the puppet government that's being portrait. Start to beleive it, before it is too late.

Starting to notice a theme of europeans chimimg in on this one. I thought he was loved all over the world? now were being warned.

These are not my words or thoughts, rather Obama's administrations. Hey at least he was honest we will get change!

Originally posted by anotherdad
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And look at this thread, just me and you. It amazes me there is no concern about this.

18-25 go to 3-4 months of training and then required to give 50-100 hours of community service pre year. Huh, to me require those wanting there welfare check to do this. They need to learn about giving back and civic pride.

Maybe that is because instead of explaining what you are so worried about and posting some real evidence, you are freaking out over a questionable audio clip you expect everyone to flock to listen to and comment on.

Show us something real. Something we can link to Obama. Something not edited. Something that proves any of this is going to happen, has been proposed, is at all what you say it is, or do not say it is really because up to this point you still have not explained the clip. I know because I read this far before listening to it because I got this far and still had no idea what you were going on about.

Post something real and maybe things will pick up for you.

It is so obvious the Israelis have been planning this for years. It is all part of the masterplan to wipe out Iran and Islam and they are using USA as a tool to do it.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
OK World Nut Daily for a start.

Secondly the audio clip iS very heavily edited, and in the part where he is going to say Baraks or at (home) the at home is cut out.

The details of this need to be looked at, if it means everyone in the US has to spend 3 months between the ages of 18-25 doing voluntary work in local charity hospitals, or if they can help in schools, clean up graffiti....

Well if they are gang banging anyhow, or unemployed, depending on certain parameters as mentioned below it is not a bad idea.

I have not read the proposed legislation though, so the specifics are very important indeed,

3 months at any time between 18-25... broken up? 1 month every year or two....

2 hours a week?

Or a choice to go and do 3 months instead in one place?.

Indeed the way World Nut Daily portray this it is very worrying but I will as shown above reserve my condemnation, which would viterol, all inclusive and very very loud if it is a kind of "Hitler Youth" of any type at all....

But in the mean time it may be a good idea... like said for hospitals, community work, staying at home, giving the coming 15% of unemployment or higher in the US education and references experience may not be a bad thing.

The important thing is the ability of the individual to tailor the service to their needs or likes and dislikes, to fit in with their and their families career and education and care needs...

Lets wait and see, I really cant see any type of forced 3 months in a camp ever being accepted in the US anyhow.

Elf.

Okay if things are edited than maybe we should dim down a little bit but being neighbour to Germany (i'm from Holland) and given the resent past we tend to be a little carefull when people suddenly appear out of nowhere ,who are praysed by millions and come up with suggestions of mandatory civil duty.

Are all people in America in this age class gang banging or unemployed..

I think it is atleast a little strange that goverment can come up with 800 billion dollar to help out certain people in need but rely on their civilians to help out others.....who making these dessions....

If you want kids to help create a beter community educate them better and ask them to help out but don't make it madatory.....it's scary

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mindcrime

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In my experience, Americorps is a huge waste as far as service goes. I worked around Americorps workers when I volunteered at a non-profit in college. These guys get paid 10 dollars an hour and their college education paid for. They have to have a certain amount of mandatory hours but a majority of them can be done "From home." So they could be given the smallest amount of work and be like "yeah I spent four hours doing this at home yesterday." Meanwhile they work a job at the same time or are raising their kids, calling in sick constantly or having to go to work instead of showing up to help the non-profit.

This was my experience. The juggle their Americorps responsibility with the rest of their life and it is priority 65 for most of them. They are getting a college education for doing basically nothing. The 10 dollars an hour is more than many people I know with real jobs get. And that's taxpayer money The paying for college must really drive up the amount of entitlements the government has promised and owes...

Wanting to expand these programs, totally ridiculous. It wasn't just Obama though. Mccain told kids at the MTV thing to join Americorps. Mccain was always going on about "serving a higher purpose." Hearing either of these turned me off to both candidates big time.

This stuff is a total joke. Even if our communities did get some bang for it's buck there is no "higher purpose" (At least that politicians can sell you)because all people are created equal. Freedom and liberty are what it's all about.

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First of all i do volunteer, voluntaraly several hours a week. and as mentioned before I THINK COMMUNITY SERVICE IS GREAT AND SHOULD BE DONE. but a presedential mandate to do so? Again did you listen to the video/audio? 3-4 months does not equal 50-100 hrs. "trains" and "common expierience" "Jumping jacks"You Obama folks are like lemmings already, "close your eyes and walk with your family off the cliff" becauase Barrack said it's best.

Originally posted by anotherdad
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Preach, preach, preach. It's amazing that you have a better understanding of our gov. than most americans do. Although i guess if they don't teach it at school and it's not taught at home, how would people know?

Huh....

Dude get your s**t together or read the post more carefully..

"I do not understand to much about your political system (being from Europe) but am i correct that every level of goverment is on the Obama side and every law they trie to pass will do so without obstruction... "

This what we call a question over here.....who's preaching

mindcrime

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reply to post by Telafree


If the blood sucking elite wouldn't hort and steal all the money, we wouldn't have the need for community services like that. Everybody would be ok. This is just another way to blindfold the dumb to do even more work for free. Insane.

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reply to post by angel of lightangelo


Your kidding me right "Post something real" This is your flippin chief of staff. From his mouth not mine.

Everyone is saying "Whats wrong with that?" I will tell you in one word,
"Required". It will be "Required"...it means "Manditory"
I think that anyone who VOTED for Obama should be REQUIRED to do 3 months in this program. Those who did NOT vote for Obama get an option.
Thats what I call FAIR!

reply to post by anotherdad


Yeah community service is great, and it should be done voluntarily. (edit) I mean I agree that it should not be manditory and have some things to say to back this up. Government shouldn't be paying kids to do volunteer work. The kids just find a way around doing the work and the people in charge of the non-profit figure out a way to make the numbers work. Total waste.

It was one of the most clear cut differences in Ron Paul and Mccain/Obama/all the others. Paul told young people to VOLUNTEER for their communities/churches/non-profits, Obama/Mccain say join Americorps/Peacecorps and leech off the taxpayers. Get your $8-10 an hour and college education paid for at taxpayer expense for very little work. Maybe Peacecorps is different but Americorps is a joke.

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The authenticity of that audio video is dubious. It constantly cuts out and in, it has some annoying scraping sound, and all the people in the background talking does cause some hearing problems. It's very sketchy.

Everywhere I've tried to find an alternative video or even another site with anything other than nazi-esque comparisons of this program. I failed.



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All gov. programs will be abused. I think ameri corps and other groups are great, people helping people is awesome. Gov. forcing people to help people, well not cool and will only make it worse.

I'm not talking nor are they about agencies like ameri corps. they are talking about a CIVILIAN DEFENSE FORCE beyong the ones already in place.

Please answer, when was there another time this was suggested or immplemented? by whom?