Let's counter-attack the greedy bankers and elitists

I've read many threads that are discussing about how the bankers are stealing our money to make their very own wealth. My question is, why don't you use simply bartering instead of money. Back in my country, Hungary many are already bartering instead of buying, because we're simply protesting against the bankers, we'll not going to use their money for simple trading and also with this action we're making their stolen wealth worthless. If we simply want something, food or something else, we're simply bartering everything with the others. Of course the media is not advertising this. If you want to stop or do something against these fraking stealing Zionist morons, act on a way which is hurting them. They're greedy, they want your money. They want to live from YOUR work. Now, as we see laws are not applying at them anymore, so let's make a counter-attack. Let's make their stolen money completely worthless. Legal bartering, which you may consider as a secondary underground "money" is the only way to do this.

They believes we're going to kill each other, making some sort of revolution against them. But this is hurting them much more then any weapons. What would they buy with their money, if we, the ordinary people are not accepting their money? Nothing.

They want to push us into slavery, but we've born to free and we must and we will keep our freedom. I'm suggesting anyone to spread this. This is maybe the only working way to force them back to the ground and without taking the blood of anyone what they want us, force us to do in the future.

These bastards are fighting an invisible war against our freedom and our lives via money. We didn't start this invisible war, but we, ordinary people must assure that we'll finish it.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Sheridan]

funny, i was thinking the same thing today.
we should all just start recycling what we have now, no need to buy new stuff. With sites like craigslist for every city, it's pretty easy to find what you need without going to the store.

reply to post by liquidsmoke206

Agree. Bartering is also could be an international solution, because an apple, bread and other foods, any other stuffs worth the same in America, in Europe and other continents.

I still say if they are dumb enough to give us another stimulus check, we should take advantage of it....
use the money to buy a plane ticket to washington to personally thank our dear president and congress for the free vacation! we ain't working, we ain't going home, till the money runs out.....how's that for stimulating the economy, we've just shut it down kind of thank you.....

Bartering is good. In the south it's called horse trading. It's been done for years and I see much more going on now.

Did you know that the US government taxes bartered items? Yes they do.

You are supposed to be a good citizen and report all bartering on your tax return.

I think that is a ridiculous law except maybe if big corporations were to barter. Then the treasury would stand to loose lots of tax revenue.

The law is only there to make sure big brother gets his cut.

reply to post by dizziedame

After law is not applying for them, the bartering tax law is not applying at us. Period. What would these 10000 elitist do? Put 360 million American to jail, because they bartered items? Try it.



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Long term it's just not going to have an effect. I have no problems with it being done, but it's just not going to have any real effect. Eventually, someone is going to spend money on manufactured goods. There is a reason why money helps an economy more than battering ever did. It's just not going to be able to compete effectively.

And if it did have any real effect, you can bet you will start seeing laws against it, and a crack down on it. As you will be deemed as "Committing fraud against the taxpayers by not paying taxes on it".

Best bet is education. And I don't mean public schools or throwing money into schools. But rather you have to explain to as many people why the current system is bad.

The biggest point IMO would be pointing out the money is created as a loan, and charges interest on it. When they just print the money up, and there isn't really a loan. If people could get just that 1 small thing, perhaps we could get it to where that part is atleast gotten rid of. Wouldn't stop the inflation part of it, but it would be a huge step in the right direction. And if people could see what a scam that part is, they will be more likely to look deeper.

I just ask people(in the US) - who do we owe 9 trillian dollars to? If we are the richest nation, then who is this entity that is able to loan us 9 trillian dollars, enough to pay for all the services in this country for a few years? Where did they get that money? etc.

reply to post by badmedia

It would have greater effects as you believe. Back in my country many people are not willing to accept the normal money. Give some goods instead. In this case what money really worth? Nothing. That's the point of it. If a greedy banker would come to your little store to buy some apples and he wants to use money, while you're accepting only goods, what do you think, will he able to buy anything from you with his money? Nope. You know, this has a moral value too, when you're showing to them they can't do anything as they're imaging it.

Oh, and by the way, search your money for Israel and the in the pocket of the Zionists.

Money only have the power we agree to give them. If we do not give them the power , a notebook with 100 papers would be more valuable than 10000 $ ! I believe that in the case of a severe depression , the Internet will save us as we can create virtual societies , with a different money system - based on hours of work etc. We simpy need to gather people that will agree to give value to something else than money printed by our governments. I will turn back to this thread after my working hours

reply to post by sty

That's the point. The elitists are using the money to create a surplus layer above us. Let's use the internet on the same way. Create a layer above them. What can they do with the people? Force us to buy and use their money instead of the "international barter currency"? Hahaha.

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I've just found a webblog regarding to bartering, which is writing down some basic rules about it. It's also confirming everything what I written down.

www.business-opportunities.biz...

People have seriously started bartering in Hungary?? I gotta look into that some more... That sounds so great! Just what everyone should be doing to counter "The Man".

I really hope it'll spread or that people will be able to figure it out on their own. I'm not keeping my hopes up about it happening here in Finland though. It's sickeningly rigid and bureaucratic here, and the people generally seem to be happy with that. It gives a certain feeling of security I suppose. But then again I've always been more of a fan of freedom than security.

OP: Is there any info available on the whole bartering thing in Hungary? I'd like to see what exactly is going on there and if it really is as widespread as you say. Would be beyond awesome to spark something like that here.

This would be an excellent way to prepare/practice for when the economy seriously crashes in on it's self. Less panic, less desperation to grasp whatever "rescue remedy" the bankers throw at us (RFID chips or a global currency, for example).

Starred and flagged!

reply to post by Helioflorae

The media stays silent about this, so I can't give an article about it. But I just looked around a bit and it's going not just in Hungary, but on international level already. Here are few additional articles that are confirming that it's happening all around the world.

Hard times bring barter back into vogue (New Zeland)
www.stuff.co.nz...

Hard times bring barter back into vogue in Britain
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Credit crunch consumers turn to bartering on online swapshops
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Consumers turn to bartering for goods, services
money.netscape.cnn.com.../ff/story/0001%2F20080604%2F1648689264.htm&sc=1315

Who needs cash? Barter your way to some good deals
www.dhonline.com...

Consumers bartering for goods, services
www.azcentral.com...

Bartering on the Upswing
wwwstayalive.blogspot.com...

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Sheridan]

How long have I said this? I wish you all knew. My (verbal) campaign in this direction started already in the mid-90s when the EU expansion was looking ominous.

Yes, let's all do it.

I'm unemployed at the moment so I'm going to start looking into working minimally - part-time and even temporary - so that as little of my pay goes to tax as is humanly possible. Under a certain amount garners only 11% and then I'll take the rest in bartered work. Any extra work or unreported work outside of that workplace will be my goods or services for their goods or services. No paper trail. No taxation. No Big Brother. And best of all, we live in the here and now. No credit, no debt.

It's time for a revolution. Start it - even just a little bit - now.

While I think you have a good topic which I have starred and flagged as a lot of people still do not know how money works. I have to say that the control of resources is what gives money the power as well as other factors.

Get rid of one currency and they will just create another.

I created this thread to list the elites power points here www.abovetopsecret.com...&flagit=410650

Only when you know your enemy can you fight them and although this is one power point, it is still one of many that effect it.

We are still stuck in a circle and I think it is time to create a new path with the knowledge that we have all shared for a decade.



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reply to post by XXXN3O

Honor, valor and pride our greatest weapons what they can't brake. Words what these greedy morons doesn't even know. If they believe they can corner us, put us into dept slavery for the next decades, they're mistaken.

Back in my country, many are making this under the radar. This method is spreading by word. It's the usual 1 on 1 barter business, which is much more fair then than anything where a bank or the government is involved, where they're using 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 exchanges. I already saw bank advertisement which is wanted to give loans for 4 on 1, where you must payback 400% of the original dept what you picked up. This greediness must be stopped.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Sheridan]

Barter is just a pipe dream in the current financial structure. Why? Because you must put a value on the items that you barter, and that leads to a disparity in bartered items.

The real answer to the problem is to stop buying what you cant afford. Credit is the majority of the market. I remember what my Dad told me . You cant drink yourself sober and you cant borrow yourself out of debt.

The international bankers are collecting intrest on money that never exsisted.

How come when I write a bad check it is forgery and when the goverment writes one it called a federal budget.

We must all quit our jobs and demand free money, go to the store and take what you want. if you want anything go work for a few our and get what you need. We just need food to survive any other job is worthless.

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excellent thread!

Aelf

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