Please tell me this bible verse does not mean what I think it does!

reply to post by Good Wolf


a few people were talkin about religion. as i said, the person said religions were created to control/manipulate people.

The only god you need to worry about is the one inside of you, we can't stop others doing what they do, but aslong as you do right by yourself and search for the right answers, then you will be fine.

My advice is don't read the bible, god is inside of you, and I have no doubts the bible is there for only one reason, for the evil manipulation of man kind.

reply to post by Bean328


Well it is, at the end of the day. It has to be said, religion is a scam. It's just the same as any pyramid scam because the majority of the people have the least amount of power and it's in the best interests of those with the power, the elders, pastors, priests etc to keep the people feeding them with the power.

Scam.

Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by Bean328

 

Well it is, at the end of the day. It has to be said, religion is a scam. It's just the same as any pyramid scam because the majority of the people have the least amount of power and it's in the best interests of those with the power, the elders, pastors, priests etc to keep the people feeding them with the power.

Scam.

Have to say I totally agree with that, if anyone has experienced there Kundalini awakening on this thread you will probably understand like I do now but it's AMAZINGLY clear once you have what its all about...

The Bible/Religion is a scam to take away from the real truth which is we make our own path we find our own truths we become the true sons & daughters of god by not looking for outside forces to guide us but BY GUIDING OURSELVES! WE ARE THE UNIVERSE, WE ARE CONCIOUS WE ARE ONE.




[edit on 11-11-2008 by DigitalKid]

I am probably inviting some personal attacks.... but I am going to tell you about the Bible and Gods plan as it is revealed in the Bible. The Bible was written by eyewitnesses who either were directly confronted by God in the Old Testament only, or had seen Jesus and talked with him or personally witnessed his preaching and his miracles. The King James Version although written by man's hand, was in whole inspired by the inspiration of God and by divine will properly translated in 1611 as the word of God was not to be put out until the dark ages were complete after 400 years. Its all about timing. You will find however, that there has been 298+ additional translations since and you will also find that these translations for the most part are as someone said inaccurate and cleverly made errant in subtle ways. The last chapter of the Revelations 22: 18-21 is clear, but man has disobeyed this command. Of all the books in the Smithsonian the Bible is the only true book ever written. It will be the one that saves souls and will be the only one that man can trust. THIS is the reason for the additional translations, the Gnostic gospels, and other hoax's or lies about the Bible. This is why the Bible is being discredited by not only clergy that are on the side of the Illuminati pretending to be clergy on the side of God. They are not but they are of the Synagogue of Satan just as jesus said.

The old testament period had mankind under Gods judgment. However, reference Genesis 6 and this is the key to understanding Gods commands to his chosen and why you see what we call cruelty had a much different purpose that many do not understand. God of the Old Testament and God [Jesus] of the New Testament changed the rules because he came down as Jesus and took the sins of man on his own life as Jesus. Then through Jesus we can find salvation and both Jews and the gentiles are saved of their sins. The God of the Old Testament would not have destroyed certain nations except that he is a God of Justice adn their evil could not go unchecked and condoned. God worked through man in those days. Read Jeremiah 18 and this will explain in detail. Don't forget Genesis 6 is major for then and it will become significant for today in the near future. In the case of the Amorites, God gave them hundreds of years to repent, but they did not. Genesis 15:16. Noah preached 120 years to his generation before the great flood. Genesis 6:3. He is a very patient God who gives these people untold opportunities opportunities to repent and come into harmony with God. They continuously refuse and at a time he determines, he judged and punished them for their EVIL deeds. The evil deed were horrendous. They worshipped demons they called Gods, human sacrifices, and many other rituals, false Gods etc....we are subject to the God that created this universe. Lucifer/Satan does what he can to corrupt man. Granted, Satan cannot do anything that God doesn't allow, he fills the plan for prophesy to be fulfilled. I can explain more about this if you like. If God didn't set up things the way he did we would be like robots without free will. The gift of free will has it downside, Satan is there to give us that real choice between good and evil. Satan is real and resides with demons in an extra-dimensional world. They can enter this world/dimension through rituals and invitation. This is the reality of this world.

Remember I mentioned Genesis 6, references the Sons of God, their mating with daughters of man, producing Nephilim. They were part angelic and part human corrupting the pure DNA or seed of man. Satan saw that this was one way to destroy the royal line of the coming messiah [Jesus] that was written to come in the future. This interbreeding of Nephilim and human women was the reason that God sent the flood and fostered the destruction of cities and their seed. The Sons of God and the Nephilim that returned or survived the flood [Eugenics] is the source of todays UFO's and they are interdimensional not "aliens". They are demonic in nature and are setting up the New world Order through the Illuminati. Our entire history is not political but it is Satans instigation to bring on his anti-christ, his rule and the tribulations..........The Bible is the only source of truth. The current clergy are not preaching false doctrine that is in line with the New Age Movement. Christians, Muslims and many more groups are being taught doctrine that is not supported by the Bible. If the Bible was a book that they are using to control then why are they trying to wein man off the Bible and distort the word? The clergy I'm talking about now is Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Braizer, TD Jakes, Benny Hinn, Copeland and Hagee to name a few have departed from Biblical teaching and are moving their "preaching" to the New Age Religion or counterfeit Christianity setting up the structure for the false man of peace, the Anti-christ yet to come.

Jesus in the New Testament came to take our sins and the sins of all of mankind so that we can now be saved. All we have to do is take Romans 10:9 to heart and repent. His commandment this time that he took our punishment. All we have to do is believe by faith Romans 10:9. King James Version: John Chapter 13;

32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

I am probably inviting some personal attacks.... but I am going to tell you about the Bible and Gods plan as it is revealed in the Bible. The Bible was written by eyewitnesses who either were directly confronted by God in the Old Testament only, or had seen Jesus and talked with him or personally witnessed his preaching and his miracles. The King James Version although written by man's hand, was in whole inspired by the inspiration of God and by divine will properly translated in 1611 as the word of God was not to be put out until the dark ages were complete after 400 years. Its all about timing. You will find however, that there has been 298+ additional translations since and you will also find that these translations for the most part are as someone said inaccurate and cleverly made errant in subtle ways. The last chapter of the Revelations 22: 18-21 is clear, but man has disobeyed this command. Of all the books in the Smithsonian the Bible is the only true book ever written. It will be the one that saves souls and will be the only one that man can trust. THIS is the reason for the additional translations, the Gnostic gospels, and other hoax's or lies about the Bible. This is why the Bible is being discredited by not only clergy that are on the side of the Illuminati pretending to be clergy on the side of God. They are not but they are of the Synagogue of Satan just as jesus said.

The old testament period had mankind under Gods judgment. However, reference Genesis 6 and this is the key to understanding Gods commands to his chosen and why you see what we call cruelty had a much different purpose that many do not understand. God of the Old Testament and God [Jesus] of the New Testament changed the rules because he came down as Jesus and took the sins of man on his own life as Jesus. Then through Jesus we can find salvation and both Jews and the gentiles are saved of their sins. The God of the Old Testament would not have destroyed certain nations except that he is a God of Justice adn their evil could not go unchecked and condoned. God worked through man in those days. Read Jeremiah 18 and this will explain in detail. Don't forget Genesis 6 is major for then and it will become significant for today in the near future. In the case of the Amorites, God gave them hundreds of years to repent, but they did not. Genesis 15:16. Noah preached 120 years to his generation before the great flood. Genesis 6:3. He is a very patient God who gives these people untold opportunities opportunities to repent and come into harmony with God. They continuously refuse and at a time he determines, he judged and punished them for their EVIL deeds. The evil deed were horrendous. They worshipped demons they called Gods, human sacrifices, and many other rituals, false Gods etc....we are subject to the God that created this universe. Lucifer/Satan does what he can to corrupt man. Granted, Satan cannot do anything that God doesn't allow, he fills the plan for prophesy to be fulfilled. I can explain more about this if you like. If God didn't set up things the way he did we would be like robots without free will. The gift of free will has it downside, Satan is there to give us that real choice between good and evil. Satan is real and resides with demons in an extra-dimensional world. They can enter this world/dimension through rituals and invitation. This is the reality of this world.

Remember I mentioned Genesis 6, references the Sons of God, their mating with daughters of man, producing Nephilim. They were part angelic and part human corrupting the pure DNA or seed of man. Satan saw that this was one way to destroy the royal line of the coming messiah [Jesus] that was written to come in the future. This interbreeding of Nephilim and human women was the reason that God sent the flood and fostered the destruction of cities and their seed. The Sons of God and the Nephilim that returned or survived the flood [Eugenics] is the source of todays UFO's and they are interdimensional not "aliens". They are demonic in nature and are setting up the New world Order through the Illuminati. Our entire history is not political but it is Satans instigation to bring on his anti-christ, his rule and the tribulations..........The Bible is the only source of truth. The current clergy are not preaching false doctrine that is in line with the New Age Movement. Christians, Muslims and many more groups are being taught doctrine that is not supported by the Bible. If the Bible was a book that they are using to control then why are they trying to wein man off the Bible and distort the word? The clergy I'm talking about now is Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Braizer, TD Jakes, Benny Hinn, Copeland and Hagee to name a few have departed from Biblical teaching and are moving their "preaching" to the New Age Religion or counterfeit Christianity setting up the structure for the false man of peace, the Anti-christ yet to come.

Jesus in the New Testament came to take our sins and the sins of all of mankind so that we can now be saved. All we have to do is take Romans 10:9 to heart and repent. His commandment this time that he took our punishment. All we have to do is believe by faith Romans 10:9. King James Version: John Chapter 13;

32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

Originally posted by tgambill
The Bible was written by eyewitnesses who either were directly confronted by God in the Old Testament only, or had seen Jesus and talked with him or personally witnessed his preaching and his miracles.

Written by eyewitnesses? Have you read the book, the gospels are in no way eyewitness accounts. We don't even know who wrote the books called Matthew, Mark, Luck or John.

Within 3 sentences you have already made outstanding errors.

The King James Version although written by man's hand, was in whole inspired by the inspiration of God and by divine will properly translated in 1611

Why would you think that such a hodge-podge of borrowed fables and twisted history is "divinely inspired"?

And the KJV is a poor translation.

With all due respect, do some research.



reply to post by DigitalKid

Have to say I totally agree with that

Then star it baby!

[edit on 11/11/2008 by Good Wolf]

The research I've done and completely. The gospels were written by the very ones that they are named for. The Bible was written over a period of 1,600 years, 40 different authors, and 66 different books. The last book, the Revelation was written by John on the Island of Patmos. It was written between 70-90 AD and was the last. You do your research and I know that this cannot be refuted. The Gnostic gospels are fake and were written about 100-200 years after the resurrection of Jesus, and no doubt inspired by the inspiration of Satan to deceive.

You might want to return to your source and tell them that they are wrong. Or reread the book and research.

You are either mistaken or God forbid being deceptive.

reply to post by tgambill


You made the claim that they were eyewitness accounts, therefore it's up to you to back it up.

Once you do that, then we can play ball.

You are either mistaken or God forbid being deceptive.

I find you a bit arrogant to hold the assertion that you are right as a foregone conclusion.

... most virtuous

[edit on 11/11/2008 by Good Wolf]

I agree somewhat. I have experienced my awakening, and I came to the conclusion, we are not even in control. We can never be in control, we need to resync with nature/universe and begin there. Alot of people believe they are masters of there own destiny or the universe.WRONG, I hate to break it to you if you havent figured this out for yourself, but your whole existence is dedicated or tailored to the universe. That may be hard for some to digest because some are so grounded in selfish or selfless needs like "making our own path","guiding ourselves?" and other things of that nature. I do not mean devote yourself to this humanized character I mean understand Oneness or Wholeness(holy) and realize when you are intune you arent even making the decisions, nor are you making the actions. You realize your thoughts are born from cause and existence itself is an instrument just as you are. Sure one can lead his own destiny, but one doesnt have enough understanding to do so, its not apart of the program, when one tries to manipulate that 'rule' "spandrels" are born with that notion. Technology being one, free-will another, destiny just to name a few man made ideas that have ruined our progression and evolution. We must understand that we are the engine of a reality, its not about us, our measurements, are perception, or our understanding or reality for that matter. We are the most important yet the most minute. A wise man once told me.... The whole of anything is greater than the sum of its parts. So dividing everything from its essence doesnt make your or I more knowledgable, we are actually more confused. Understand Wholeness(the holy) replace I with our, remove theories and accept everything for what it is.

The original priest, pastors and elders are what we need not our ideas of what they meant to us but what they really were. Priest and elders were the only people who were multilingual(they were taught forbidden and lost languages so they can preserve truth),and they devoted their whole life to understanding "how does this apply to the everyday human."
Their purpose is far greater than the sum of us at ATS.(trip on that)
I hope you were able to follow.
Peace-Love to all
sorry for typos

Originally posted by tgambill


You are either mistaken or God forbid being deceptive.

Don't mean to be rude but are you Christian by any chance?

Your reply would imply to me yes.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by DigitalKid]

So are we going to go the route of the 25 disinformation methods and techniques, I provide the evidence and you search for outs, speaking words like Nonsense, rubbish, were you there? and so forth? We shall see. Here you go...........

www.gotquestions.org...

"Ultimately, above the human authors, the Bible was written by God. 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible was "breathed out" by God. God superintended the human authors of the Bible so that while using their own writing styles and personalities, they still recorded exactly what God wanted to be said. The Bible was not dictated from God, but it was perfectly guided and entirely inspired by Him.

Humanly speaking, the Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 1500 years. Isaiah was a prophet, Ezra was a priest, Matthew was a tax-collector, John was a fisherman, Paul was a tentmaker, Moses was a shepherd. Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries, the Bible does not contradict itself and does not contain any errors. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Few of the books of the Bible specifically name their author. Here are the books of the Bible along with the name of who is most assumed by Biblical scholars to be the author, along with the approximate date of authorship:

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel / Nathan / Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - A.D. 55
Mark = John Mark - A.D. 50
Luke = Luke - A.D. 60
John = John - A.D. 90
Acts = Luke - A.D. 65
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - A.D. 50-70
Hebrews = unknown, best guesses are Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - 65 A.D.
James = James - A.D. 45
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - A.D. 60
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - A.D. 90
Jude = Jude - A.D. 60
Revelation = John - A.D. 90

Modern thought is based on the agenda to distort the truth. Modern thought is the most unreliable, because you have man that has lived thousands of years afterwards spouting off their opinions. very unreliable.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.bibleprobe.org...

There is a massive effort to distort the truth and many will be deceived just as II Thess says.


reply to post by Good Wolf

Originally posted by The Stand
After reading the bible and some other very interesting books, I have been contemplating that the bible may have been a plan to take over the world physically, mentally and spiritually. A lot of verses seem to imply harm to anybody who does not think like this god wants. Other verses I do not even want to think about because they make me sick as to think god is telling these people to do what I think he is. For example, what does this verse mean? Numbers 31:17-18 “now kill all the boys and all the women who have had sexual intercourse. Only the little girls may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

[edit on 9-11-2008 by The Stand]

From the context of the chapter, it is talking about limiting the slaughter of an enemy. Rather than killing every one, they are to spare the young girls.

God is only inside you when you believe and confess in Romans 10:9. Satan is the voice we hear just within ourselves. Or rather Lucifer that will be defeated after the Anti-christ has his short reign.

reply to post by DigitalKid

Its not me at all. I'm only going on what the Bible says. What millions others are saying, Not me.

reply to post by Good Wolf

Originally posted by tgambill


Modern thought is based on the agenda to distort the truth. Modern thought is the most unreliable, because you have man that has lived thousands of years afterwards spouting off their opinions. very unreliable.

I am sorry but isn't that what you have just done?

Just because you believe it to be true doesn't make it so!!

I am sorry but the bible is there to distort from whats really important which is peoples own personal awakenings and tuning into the great "oneness" not to worry about if Jesus is real or not and then living there lives by a set of rules/beliefs which only hinder peoples growth.

If you have experienced your chakra awakening the great Kundelini then the feeling is true bliss and the lies become clear, this isn't the work of the anti-christ.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by DigitalKid]

reply to post by tgambill


Gotquestions.org:

GotQuestions.org is a volunteer ministry of dedicated and trained servants who have a desire to assist others in their understanding of God, Scripture, salvation, and other spiritual topics. We are Christian, Protestant, conservative, evangelical, fundamental, and non-denominational. We view ourselves as a para-church ministry, coming alongside the church to help people find answers to their spiritually related questions.

This is an apologetics website, they are fundamentals which means that they are unable to have an unbiased assessment. Their word is to be taken at a grain of salt, period. This is exactly the same thing we find for bibleprobe.org:

We are followers of the way Christ has declared we should go. Dedicated to studying the cornucopia of wisdom and knowledge that the Word of God has given to us through the Bible. We recognize the Bible as the final and only authority on the subject of our God and Father.

These people cannot think unbiased.



Now as for wikipedia, you haven't ever read the article. Have a look at this.

Scholarly opinion is evenly divided between those who accept and those who reject the traditional authorship of Luke/Acts. For Mark, Matthew and John there is far greater agreement that the traditional ascriptions are incorrect, and that the authors of these works are in fact unknown. Scholars are in broad agreement that Mark is the earliest gospel, and that Matthew and Luke rely on it for their narrative. All four Gospels are usually dated to a period after 70 AD, although a minority of conservative scholars continue to argue for earlier dates.

Wiki

Well I guess you are wrong then. No hard feelings.

[edit on 11/11/2008 by Good Wolf]

I guess you could classify me as Christian, however, I do not claim any one religion but it leans toward Christianity. Let me explain. I believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God, God in human form, died for my sins and rose again to be our savior. Romans 10:9. Religion was invented to control and manipulate plus to distort the truth even within Christianity or Catholism. Satan uses religious dogma to lure mankind from the truth very cleverly. Away from the truth of Jesus. The Holy Bible is his final word for us......this is why Clergy that intends to deceive interprets for those that don't study the Bible on their own, or pray for guidance. This is why the Atheist or Luciferians come up with clever forgies and "experts" that find this new discovery and so forth which is what will justify the entrance of the anti-christ.....the false messiah yet to come.





reply to post by DigitalKid

reply to post by tgambill


I now want you to explain to me exactly what you think an atheist is. Don't go to any sources, just your own mind, explain in your own words what an atheist is.


I'm willing to bet that I can teach you something.

And in case you missed an important post I made make sure you read:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 11/11/2008 by Good Wolf]

Own personal awakenings.....no one has ever accomplished this in all of history. When man can create life or his own universe then maybe. To date this has never happened nor will it ever. God is the sole creator of the universe and life within it. I'll stay with the eyewitnesses that saw the events and not johnny come lately types like Dawkins, and other fakes.....

they are lying as others might be mistaken or searching. These people read the Bible to deceive not search. The New Age Movement is in fact nazism with another name. I have the research, most done by Constance Cumbey comparing the correlations in the Book "The hidden Dangers of the Rainbow; The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism" 1983, page 114 - 120.



reply to post by DigitalKid