I Will Respect The Office Of The President

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Its so interesting to watch all these people who absolutely hated George Bush and called him hitler for 8 years have had such a "turn of heart" and now wholeheartedly offer support to Obama.

Please, don't try to disguise it. Its all partisan politics, and your on the partisan side for Obama.

I hope you are speaking generally and not about ATS members. You have not been here long enough to make that observation. Or have you?

Not sure I follow this logic. What turn of heart? I don't see the connection you are making between people being disapproving of Bush but supportive of Obama?..

It may be partisan for most people that support Obama. Most people are party loyalists it seems. I still don't understand your point. Democrats AND Republicans disapprove of Bush. At least, that is the consensus.

Like I said earlier, I follow the whole innocent until proven guilty approach. When Bush started off I didn't think one way or another, save for the fact that I felt it was robbed from Al Gore. I certainly wasn't calling him a war criminal prior to the Middle East travesty.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

You know, it is my opinion that I think the reason that some of these ppl on this forum, and throughout the United States don't like Obama simply because he is an African American. Give him a chance, I bet if it was someone who was white, then you would at least give him a chance. You fail to realize what this means for our country. It's a stepping stone to say that whoever you are, you can be whatever you want to be. It is the symbol of our country and what it stands for freedom, and to be what you want to be if you try hard enough. I'm so sick and tired of ppl talking bad things about Obama, GIVE HIM A CHANCE FIRST BEFORE YOU START MAKING ACCUSATIONS ABOUT HIM. If not, just shut up, and save a few minutes from my life by not reading your post.

reply to post by Question


I think what Maximillion is trying to say is, this is a reboot of the Presidency, as that term has been floated around. I believe no matter what you think of Bush or his policies we must respect the office of the president(the executive branch). I may 'disrespect' Bush's and conservatives decisions to make it harder for people to declare bankruptcy. Or 'disrespect' the unconstitutional line-item veto. Even 'disrespect' the idea of a"Unitary President", but those are Bush's ideas and this Presidency is a new chapter in our great Republics books and the first word hasn't even been written yet.

I will definitely respect the office of the President of the United States. But as the Democrats and liberal 'independents' have done for the past few years, I will NOT respect the near future holder of that office. In fact, I will follow their example to a tee, and go out of my way and inflate non-stories to show blatant disrespect to the holder of that office.

Maxmillian;

Thank You and a star.

I said the same thing in 04 when Kerry lost and was ripped by other Kerry supporters. I just wish that you were not the exception.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Absolutely. I never heard anyone the day after the elections in 2000 say, "Well, that's it, I am moving out of the country. Bush is going to ruin the country."

Obama has not stepped into office yet and people are blaming him for downturn in the economy. It's unbelievable.

Keep this in mind, the same people blaming Obama for the economy now (it makes me want to scream) are the same people who said Bush inherited a bad economy when it turned downwards right after he was elected.

I don't know if it is laziness or disrespect that people refuse to use the title "President"
either way it sucks.

I will respect any LAWFUL orders or things he does in officer, of course BUT just because he is our President does not mean we have to respect him, that goes against being American, we are supposed to be individuals, we are a Republic, not a Democracy for a reason. We are America because we were independent, we did not respect the King for what he was doing to us and we should NEVER respect ANYONE no matter what color who abuses the people he is sworn to protect. The majority here blames Bush for the countries problems, he did not start this, granted he did a lot of really bad things and I really dislike him, you have to look at the whole picture. Do not get sucked into the Republican and Democrat false paradigm, they are the same. It is about protecting and upholding the constitution and protecting that is the employment document and they violate it daily. Go listen to Kennedy's secret government speech, he lays it out for you. This is not our Government and has not been for awhile. I pray to god he does right by us and the world, however, I have my doubts.

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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

 

Absolutely. I never heard anyone the day after the elections in 2000 say, "Well, that's it, I am moving out of the country. Bush is going to ruin the country."

They did say it, though, after he was re-elected. Liberals promised to move to Canada or elsewhere, and the shrink's couches were full for months dealing with liberal depression.

Even Hollywood Blamed Gloomy Oscars On Bush

patdollard.com...

Obama has not stepped into office yet and people are blaming him for downturn in the economy. It's unbelievable.

Actually the Democrats and Obama had a major part in the dowturn in the economy. It is well documented; their escapades with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were downright disgusting. But Obama did nothing to stop it; after all, he was the second largest recipient of donations from Fannie Mae.

www.opensecrets.org...

Bush had very little to do with the downturn, other that ignoring it.

Until now, I've never understood the Vietnam-era Republican sloganeering of "If you don't like it, then get out." Reading this thread, the phrase gained a curious resonance. The phrasing from much of the right is hilariously egocentric on this thread- what Obama "needs" to prove to you before respect is due. What if he shouldn't respect you?

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Personally, I scoff at statements like this. I'm not going to give my respect to a man who I do not respect. Not now, not ever, regardless of who you're shaking hands with. Respect is earned, not given. That's goes for Obama as well.

Originally posted by jsobecky
They did say it, though, after he was re-elected.

Not sure if you were replying to me, if you were then you missed my point. You're damn right I said it after he was re-elected. That's 4 years of Presidency prior to that point. In fact, that is also post-Iraq War no?

My point is that I am not going to judge either way. I believe people are good and deserving of respect until they show otherwise. Obama has not even started his Presidency yet. I will wait for him to actually do something before I judge, I think that is the respectful position.

[edit on 8-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues
I don't think you understand my point. But it is ok, in the last ten years we have lost alot of our honor, it took a long time to lose it and it will take a long time to regain it.
I understand your anger and I feel it. But my country, our country deserves better than our selfish anger, especially at this very difficult time.
I will swallow my anger and my doubts and do my part to make this country what it once was and if that takes showing respect to our elected officials then so be it.
This doesn't mean that I will stand idly by and not call him out when I see a mistake or a promise broken. But I will not do it in the manner that those that hated President Bush did it.
When they did this it undermined the authority of the office and thereby weakened our leader and our standing in the world.

See what I don't think some of you understand is that President Bush, Godbless him with all his warts and failures was representative of ALL OF US. wether we liked it or not, it is just the way it is. And when we make fun of and make dispicable references of him we are making them of ourselves.

If we don't respect our country how can we expect other countries to?

cheers brudda.
We will be laughing about all this in a few short years.

Originally posted by MaxiMillion

See what I don't think some of you understand is that President Bush, Godbless him with all his warts and failures was representative of ALL OF US. wether we liked it or not, it is just the way it is. And when we make fun of and make dispicable references of him we are making them of ourselves.

Heh. Every time I look in the mirror I see the President of the United States. It all makes sense now.

But I will not do it in the manner that those that hated President Bush did it.
When they did this it undermined the authority of the office and thereby weakened our leader and our standing in the world.

The Bush Administration did not need ANY help from the Public to weaken our standing in the World

[edit on 8-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

reply to post by jsobecky


Well, it's impossible for me to refute your opinion, of course. I am just saying I didn't notice a mass movement of people saying it back then. Perhaps a few people, but I don't remember it coming up in conversation.

Now, it seems anyone who wanted McCain is acting like this is the end of the world.

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by jsobecky

 

Well, it's impossible for me to refute your opinion, of course. I am just saying I didn't notice a mass movement of people saying it back then. Perhaps a few people, but I don't remember it coming up in conversation.

Now, it seems anyone who wanted McCain is acting like this is the end of the world.

How do you know that everyone that thinks Obama is bad idea for this country, wanted McCain in? Because I really dont think that is accurate!

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I said "it seems like everyone". Of course, I do a lot of time on these boards, listening to Rush Limbaugh, and other talk radio sources... so of course I am biased in that way.

it is fact that some folks here are too blinded by partisan garbage spewed out all over the net to really get on board. True, if Obama messes up major or lies in the presidency, then by all means you'v earned your sentiments... but for now its a matter of moving with the rest of the nation.

reply to post by Irish M1ck

Keep this in mind, the same people blaming Obama for the economy now (it makes me want to scream) are the same people who said Bush inherited a bad economy when it turned downwards right after he was elected.

During his seven and a half years in office, President Bush has declared 422 major disasters — severe storms, tornadoes, wildfires and floods — or more than one a week. That is 11 percent more than President Bill Clinton’s disaster declarations and 130 percent more than President Ronald Reagan during their full two terms in office.

All those natural disasters translate into more federal government spending. Under Mr. Bush, the government has committed to spend $87 billion in disaster relief money to help states and localities clean up after floods, fires and storms, compared with Mr. Clinton’s nearly $29 billion. Even after adjusting for inflation, the Bush administration has spent 2.5 times more than the Clinton administration on disaster relief.

aftermathnews.wordpress.com...


And lets not forget about 9/11 and the internet bubble, the flooding of New Orleans, the hurricane that just devasted Texas....lots of stuff man.

www.ccc.nps.navy.mil...
en.wikipedia.org...

Now i'm not sticking up for the man...but he had ALOT of crap on his plate that he didn't ask for either.

reply to post by David9176


I never blamed anything on Bush in that post. This economic crisis is the least of the things he did that hurt this country.