**Important Message to ALL my fellow Conservatives** (please read)

Gate, I have a thought and a question....

If you really want to (I hate this word) change the conservative party then you have to take out the scalpel and operate. We did it in my district by sucking up and voting out congressmen Rick Keller and Tom Feeny. What did we get for it? Two liberals that are probably much worse. The point is we did it! Those two will no longer be examples of the conservative way and hopefully we sent a message to any future hopefuls .

Now my question is this....how many of you thought the same way but when you got to the polls you just couldn't pull that lever, hang that chad or fill in that oval for a democrat? And by voting the party line didn't you perpetuate the same old same old?

You begin with grassroots and work your way up. A message needs to be sent and the only ammunition we have is our voice and our vote. True conservatives are eagerly awaiting our call, all we have to do is make that call loud and clear.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by GeneralLee]

Originally posted by dawnstar

oh, by the way....
we're the majority now, the majority rules right...
if you're not with us, your against us....you don't think the same way we do, well, you must be unamerican, a traitor even...
ect. ect...

I'm only kidding by the way, but well....
it doesn't feel too good, does it??

That figures, the very first reply to the OP is a dig at the other side.. nothing has changed.


Just for the record.. it doesn't work that way.

First of all, most conservatives and republicans did not think or feel this way to begin with, maybe the administration did, but not the party. That attitude was painted on conservatives in general by YOUR party.
It was the knee jerk reation bandaid for feeling neglected and to make a rally point for the liberal troops. Only nutjobs would have ever suggested that someone was un Amercian for questioning their government. (both sides have those)

This "traitor" and "anti-American" label were MADE UP.

Liberals took so much out of context and reused as rallying cries that it was almost funny in the last year or so... Made up to combat the frustration of the Bush Administration not heeding advice or doing things the liberal way, it was always complete BS, complete BS. I used to get so pissed off at people saying stupid things like that and attributing it to the conservative party.

At no time did real conservatives think that liberals were "Un American" for speaking their minds or disagreeing with the Bush Administration. (Ann Coulter is NOT the conservative party voice)

That needs to be put to rest RIGHT NOW.

No conservative I know has EVER suggested that someone was a traitor or unamerican because of their viewpoint on the war, or any other issue. MY party recognizes that America is made of of many stripes. It is the liberal party that has spewed hatred for 8 years, not the conservative party.

Are you going to continue the trend?

The "na na, na na na" talk was expected. We fully expert the liberal side to have their tounges out and wagging for the next 4 years as they they continue to congratulate themselves and blame Bush for everything thats bad with the country.



Thats ok, your side won.. congrats, now do something instead of standing around pointing fingers. It's yours to squander.



To finish my original thought.. why "it doesn't work that way"...
Conservatives do not tend to get as emotionally attached to things like that. If a liberal were to ever call me unamerican for not buying into a socialist view, the most I would do is shake my head and laugh at him, I certainly wouldn't take it seriously or personally.

I am fairly certain it is the same for most in my party... so saying "doesn't feel too good, does it?" is a self serving statement at best.

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Here's and idea! Let's just let all the religious fanatics in the Middle East blow each other up and be done with it. There is nothing America can do short of getting into an all out war that would appease this situation, and the people in the Middle East. Between England and the US since the 50's we have created and ticking time bomb and we know this to be true.
So why not just leave and let the damn thing blow. If it comes ashore we will deal with it. Other than that your on your own. You can't spread democracy at the end of a gun barrel, you just can't. Either people want it, or they don't. But, thats just me talking to myself.

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[edit on 6-11-2008 by Kanati]

Lets wait until Obama gets sworn in before attacking him. He hasn't been allowed to change anything or do anything yet. So, why not wait until this time next year and then we will see where this election has brought us.

I hear the so-called conservatives on talk shows already complaining about everything and ripping Obama's choices for his administration.

Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rove had negative news stories break almost every single day and these same talk show hosts buried those stories as soon as they broke. It sickens me that Obama has not even been sworn in and they are already spewing their Neocon spin.

How can they have the nerve to attack this man, when they never even addressed their own embarrassments and failure. Good lord

I don't care one way or another - I voted Green party. But come on, we have had an 8 year political nightmare! Let Obama get sworn in and have a chance to get to work on George's mess before you attack him.

What we're seeing here in the US is the direct result of the MSM sponsored political system at work.
People don't read enough, Instead, most Americans stare at the TV and take in everything they're fed by the MSM hook line and sinker
That is exactly why we're in this dire situation to begin with.

Thomas Jefferson warned us of this ...
Smedley Butler warned us of this in his book War is a Racket, prior to WWI of the evils of the Industrialists (Prescott Bush) and how they start wars for profits.
Eisenhower warned us of this Military Industrial Complex in the 50's ....
Perot warned of of Big Govt and it's inherent budgetary problems and fiscal responsibility back in the 90's.
And now Ron Paul is voicing true conservative values and not those of the NEO's ....why do you think they're called NEO-Conservatives anyway ?

The MSM GOP had their shot at it , under the guise of conservatism which is as most of whom they represent are a Fraud.
They successfully implemented their War on Terror plan right out of the Nazi playbook. 8 years later we've now the NWO agenda called the Patriot Act ready to squash our Constitution at a moments notice.

Fortunately with what happened on Nov 4th was a result of the only true remaining freedom that we as Americans have and that's our right to Vote.
With a system as large as the US Govt the only way to stop this BUS which is already careening out of control is to vote their a##es out.

Now finally all of this Liberal vs Conservative name calling can be silenced for the root of the problem is now upon the shoulders of both sides of the aisle.

The American people have spoken and it's time to get back to work on getting back to basics in restoring the US to a Republic based upon the United States Constitution as our forefathers realized the importance of over 200 years ago.

Originally posted by Gateway
This defeat is not so-much of an embrace of Obama and what he has to offer, but rather a defeat of the platform WE as conservatives have been told that REPRESENTS our Conservative values.

Uhm... are you sure?


This looks like an embrace to me...

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Hi Gateway...I wasn't sure if I should read this thread or not. ie: "fellow Conservatives" I certainly live in a frugal/conservative manner, but I don't associate myself to the facist goons who have ruled this country for the last eight years. The Bush/Cheney brand of "socialism" includes the bailing out of corrupt corporate kingpins to the tune of trillions of our dollars in future earnings.

So, while I agree with almost all you say, I disagree on your definition of socialism. When we can throw our future earnings into the laps of looser fat-cats in the banks, why is it such a crime to throw a little to the unemployed, poor and destitute American citizens amongst us.

You said you have wealthy friends ready to stash their cash off shore. My that's certainly patriotic of them, isn't it. Maybe you should reevaluate your list of "friends".

Look, it doesn't really matter who is in office, they all take their "marching orders" from the true power behind the empire, Bilderbergers, Trilateralists, CFR, etc. They (the hidden government) love it when we spend our time blaming each other for our demise. They can then proceed to rape us financially and laugh as we cry foul to the liberal or conservative movement (take your pick). As long as they keep us busy name calling at each other, they can go ahead with their agenda of creating the NWO, which will take away what is left of our rights and enslave us completely.

Wake up America...it's not conservative/liberal, red or blue, Dem. or Rep. we should be concerned with. It's our survival as a nation that is at stake here. Educate yourself, arm yourself and prepare yourself.

Some good responses. I shall in a timely manner try to respond to each and everyone, although there are a few posts with some flawed logic. If this party is to be re-built, we must first find the reason the American people have rejected it. The first step is therefore to reject our current platform, that's why I said "neoconservatives" have defined for the rest of the party what SUPPOSEDLY conservative values are.

Some of you want to ME to stop with the blaming and pointing fingers, but that's precisely what will never cure the disease. It's not constructive you say. Wow, hey that's precisely what the Neocons are saying this morning. The only way to do so is to point to the root cause of what has led us to this point. And Yes, AGAIN IT WAS TROTSKYIST WHO LEFT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT CAME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND STARTED PUSHING THEIR AGENDA!! Jesus, do the research yourself, I can't do everything for YOU. Real easy type "Neoconservatives Trotskyist democrats" on google.

Again, I will try to respond to all the posts in a timely manner meanwhile, I'll leave you with an OLD TAFT conservative who is spelling out exactly what I've already said here.





[edit on 6-11-2008 by Gateway]

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Stephen Hawkins, and every other major honored scientist in the world says that evolution is a lie and not possible, but the moronic masses can't let go of what the experts said is ridiculous.

Look at the hate filled rant of this poster claiming that neo-cons aint the problem it's people who read the Bible. Sorry goofball, Bush don't read it, Libby don't, Rove don't, Wolfowitz don't... Getting the picture here? This post is about who stole our party and how to take it back and you turn it into some kind of Christian bashing post? Where are the Mods in this? I thought taking a Thread off course was reason to pull a post. And since the OP was talking about our POLITICAL PARTY and the POLITICAL THINKING of those that stole it, this post by the christian and GOD hater doesn't belong here.

And for the record only a moron would think we all came from wet rocks 4.5 billion years ago, although I will agree that this poster has the intelligence of a wet rock, maybe he is the missing link...

"most of the African american community think with Obama there time has come. oh the surprise there in for. but the next election they will still vote for him."

Oh really? Is that what we think?
Thanks for that insight!

reply to post by Gateway


good thread -- you're dead right. I'm an outsider, but I expect that vast swathes of US conservatives have been completely disenfranchised by the GOP, which has lost sight of it's REAL core values. Far as I can see, the Bush doctrine and the Palin (God help me) ethos is more about religious zealotry and blind faith in some obligation to impose its world view on far-flung nations, than about liberty, freedom, and govt. non-interference.

I expect the GOP will swing back left a bit now, and the likes of Palin won't get near the ticket next time around as they favour more moderate candidates (yes I know McCain is a moderate Rep., but he picked 'that woman' as his partner).

Originally posted by Gateway
America...when the four years are UP and you are impoverished by SOCIALISM, WE REAL CONSERVATIVES will be there to lead this country and our people back in the right direction. We shall wait patiently...

Gateway, I'm a strong Obama supporter, but neither a Republican nor Democrat, and I agree with and appreciate a lot of what you said. Just a few points I'd like to make:

1.) This election was an embrace of Obama. You'll be doing yourself and your party a disservice if you deny that. Granted the embrace was heightened because of the comparison of him to the last 8 years, but he is very much embraced by the people of this country.

2.) I think I can fairly safely say that the Democrats don't want the Neoconservatives, either. They can form their own party, but I don't think Democrats will allow them to hijack the Democratic party after what they've seen Neocons do to yours.

3.) You may be surprised where Obama will take this country. You may be right about him, but I will cast judgment on his performance after he has actually given it. Not before.

I wish the Republican party good luck and good will in reclaiming their ideals and taking the GOP back from the extremists who have hijacked it.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Ohword?

"most of the African american community think with Obama there time has come. oh the surprise there in for. but the next election they will still vote for him."

Oh really? Is that what we think?
Thanks for that insight!

OhWord, don't let em get ya down. Some folks just can't stand to see others happy.

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So are you really calling Darwin a Moron?


Could you provide a link to your Stephen Hawking comment?

And oh yeah... have you ever heard of Emergence? Organized Complexity?

Yeah, i think the word for them is "NEO-CONSERVATIVE". Too bad the republicans had great values before the 90's, now we have to form a new party. How about LIBERTARIAN/CONSTITUTION Party? WE can merge the partys and make is feel as if we are a new "clean" party that has changed back to its beginning ideals like the U.S. Constitution!


Why dont people care enough to save OUR Constitution?

Gateway this is why you are on my friends list and would be at the top if that option was given You are correct 100%. This is not about Obama. This is all about how the Republican party has lost its way. Everything they promised in 2000 they went completely the opposite direction and in 2006 and now 2008 they paid for it. The Republicans have some serious soul searching they need to do and according to inside sources they are having this search tonight in a meeting in the mountains. All the peeps are meeting to tweak the platform. The fact is the same people who created their neocon platform are the same ones doing the meeting. People like Ron Paul were not invited. Ron Paul has been calling so much and even called the downfall of the Republicans but they still will not listen. I think the idea the Republicans will change back to their roots is t farce. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I think the Libertarians will soon be the new Republican party.

BTW all the names you mentioned as the corruptors are great. Sums it up well. One sect you left out and that is the religious right. I dont see where you mentioned them. They too are a big part of the Republicans losing their way. They try to ram this legislative morality down peoples throats and start wars for "holy" purposes in the middle east. Puhhlleaasse.

The world isn't black and white, its shades of grey.

Just because Barack will introduce some more social aspects to the US, doesn't, by a long shot, mean the US will be socialist.

A healthy nation is one that has a ballance between corporate interests and the interests of the people. A bit of socialism AND a bit of capitalism.

Problem is that, americans, still, only see black and white, good and bad, right and left, all extremes.

Great post, OP. I thought yours was a fascinating and refreshing perspective, and more well-reasoned than a lot of the Republican negative stereotypes that the majority of our nation seems to take to heart.

I consider myself an Independent, but this lingering association of the GOP with all things evil has really gotten on my nerves lately. I'm a student and get to see a lot of it firsthand, in our colleges and universities. I was trying to explain this to a fellow student recently, when I told her:

"... Actually, I think it's a huge stereotype that all Republicans are racist or sexist."

Her response was, of course:

"Pshh. No, I don't think it's a stereotype."

And so, yet another inebriate single-handedly accuses roughly half of our nation of representing her favorite sins. People love to play the victim and point the blame at whoever's in charge. Perhaps the Democratic party will be subject to a comparable amount of negative stereotyping in the years to come... hopefully not, but probably so.

In any case, while it may be true that, as you suggest, in some ways the Republicans have only themselves to blame with the advent of neo-conservatives and the history of over-aggressive politicians, it must also be true that this negativism has only been accelerated by the tendency of so many of our citizens to just look for a reason to hate people without even knowing them first.

It's interesting that you bring back the older concept of "leave well enough alone" that used to be a motto among the GOP. Certainly Republicans from a century ago, even half a century ago, would be appalled by the "world police" role we seem to have assumed lately. It will be interesting to see how the Republican party reacts to this difficult position. While it certainly is a positive representation to have a black man as president, at least to prove that racism truly is on its way out in this nation, perhaps we are on the brink of another momentous event: The formation of a new, significant political party and the erosion of the two-party system. But I'm just thinking out loud.

The GOP lost it's way when it started listening and believing fools like el rushbo, sean, savage, Mike R, and the rest of the AM yahoos!

The GOP can never reclaim that audience. AM jerks appeal to the basest
level of political and ideological followers. The GOP has driven away
Hispanics that could have been a part of their base, driven away moderate blacks and the yuppies. Who's left in the leadership?....Old angry, rich, greedy, white men and a few, old crones. Even the evangelicals are beginning to question the GOP because only lip service was paid to the abortion issue during the last 8yrs. The tactic of divisiveness clearly hasn't worked.
We made our bed, now it's time to lay down in it; Or else get with the program and change the hateful attitude and quit pointing fingers and take
Personal responsibility that used to be one of the tenants of the GOP.





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reply to post by whaaa


You are exactly right.

Lincoln said it best when stated that we must always appeal to the higest angels in all of us.


When a party starts appealing to the base elements in humanity, thats when you know they are on their way out.