US pilot ordered to shoot down UFO over Norwich

Originally posted by truthquest
This is definitely one of the most convincing stories I've read on UFO's.

How so when you have alternative theories that can be plausible as an answer. Unless of course you are talking about the ufo as a unidentified craft and not an alien ship. Then yes this is a convincing story that something, not what, was up there.

Up until today I was more convinced that we are not being visited by strange outter space things, but now I'm either over the line or at least on it, that we are being visited.

There is no actual evidence that we are being visited. I am not just saying this because I want to believe this...it's a fact.

[edit on 20-10-2008 by riggs2099]

[edit on 20-10-2008 by riggs2099]

If gov't of the earth were aware of UFO's/Aliens had contact with them. Then they wouldnt be firing on them right. They would no better. If it was a UFO.

Interesting line in the Guardians coverage of this story. It quotes David Clarke from Sheffield University who suggested the Pilot may have been a guinea pig in an experiment utillising the US 'Palladium" system, which was being developed at that time to create false radar images. This incident took place in the vicinity of the Orford Ness research facility which was then controlled by the US.

reply to post by gate13


MSM link
www.msnbc.msn.com...

If it is true imagine how futilly hysterical it would have been for the occupants of the craft. Not unlike someone lobbing a clam shell at a battleship as it sails past.

The poster above, Fang, did raise an interesting point, IMO. Is there anymore info on that exercise?

[edit on 20-10-2008 by TheWayISeeIt]

Originally posted by drock905
reply to post by Phage

 

Thank you for injecting some logic into this coversation. I was just going to post the same thing, but you beat me to it. Be prepared to be called a disinfo agent.

1. F-86 did not carry any sidewinders in 1957, they carried Unguided rockets in 1957.
2. I have always heard that the F-86 carried a total of 16 HVARs not 24 rockets, but i could be wrong.
3. The pilots never saw anything. How do you not see something that huge, even at night? I guess you guy will say it was cloaked or something, right?



Edited to correct my post about the F-86's radar.



[edit on 20-10-2008 by drock905]

Wrong. The first time a sidewinder missle was fired in combat was aboar F86 fighters deployed against Chinese fighters in the straight of taiwean, 1958.

In 1956 the RAAF introcuded the latest of many versions of the F-86, this one based on the CAC86 with extended wing span and sidewinder missle arrays. The whole reason the sidewinder was introduced was to give the Sabre f86 fighter a stronger dog fighting capability over the superior MIG15 which Russia and China were using at the time.

Have you ever been in the UK skies? ou do know that the skies would most likely have been filled with cloud cover, THICK cloud cover and you arent likely to see anything?

reply to post by silver6ix
Having worked on the F-106 Delta Dart I can tell you this must have been something very serious in order to get the shoot down order. Very serious.

Originally posted by deltadart
reply to post by silver6ix

 

Having worked on the F-106 Delta Dart I can tell you this must have been something very serious in order to get the shoot down order. Very serious.

I know, what people dont understand is just how good the Uk Airforce and Navy were at that time. Because of our Island status those two forces were highly developed and highly specialised.

The UK forces are highly professional and extremerly trigeer UNHAPPY, to be given a firing order, more so to a foreign plane, over British soil it would have to have been considered a grave and serious threat and in that area of England there are several MAJOR radar handling stations and theres no way it would have been a blip, that would have been checked and verified long before the firing order was ever given.

They ordered two US fighters to arm and fy hot oer a UK city and gave firing orders and confirmation of that order. Something of major concern was in the air.

It may not have happened. I found this mention in another article about the MoD's most recent release of their UFO files:

Some things in the newly released files were either unhinged or unverifiable.

One correspondent tells the military he was shouted at by aliens while sleeping outdoors. Another writes in "with extraordinary news," saying the "legendary 'feathered serpents'" are waiting for permission to land on earth. One U.S. pilot's tale of being ordered to shoot down a UFO over eastern England, forwarded to the Ministry of Defense by a UFO enthusiast, was kept on file though the military turned up no evidence of it in its official records.

SOURCE

There was never, it seems, an official investigation. Once again, we are presented with little more than a story.

infact never mind, "It didnt happen" was always going to be the answer.

If it didnt happen, why was the file classified for 50 years? Just curious.

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Originally posted by silver6ix
infact never mind, "It didnt happen" was always going to be the answer.

If it didnt happen, why was the file classified for 50 years? Just curious.

[edit on 20-10-2008 by silver6ix]

Wow.....you edited the entire post, utterly changing the content.

Lot's of inane, pointless, trivial things have been kept classified by governments, all around the world, for decades.

One doesn't follow the other here....."classified for 50 years" doesn't add any weight or solemnity to the contents.

Originally posted by silver6ix
This is a little egg on the face for those claiming no evidence of UFOs and also claiming governments and military havent covered them up.

Not in the least.

This was not "covered-up" as there was never, it seems, an official investigation or any records outside of the letter a UFO researcher sent to the MoD.

Originally posted by silver6ix
The RAF were convinced enough to give a firing command over mainland UK which is a significant statement. Again we have heard over and over "there no threat" and yet clearly theres threat enough to order Sabres to unload 24 rockets into them...

Once again, you need to take the time-period into context. This was the height of the Cold War. If this incident really did occur, and there really was something violating British airspace, those giving the order to fire on the intruder were probably more concerned about it belonging to the Soviets than visitors-from-beyond.


[edit on 20-10-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by silver6ix
If it didnt happen, why was the file classified for 50 years? Just curious.

If you had bothered reading what I wrote, instead of trying to twist the context, you would know that it was not classified for fifty years. Someone wrote a letter to the MoD about the incident, and it was placed in their files. No official report seems to have been written.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by silver6ix
If it didnt happen, why was the file classified for 50 years? Just curious.

If you had bothered reading what I wrote, instead of trying to twist the context, you would know that it was not classified for fifty years. Someone wrote a letter to the MoD about the incident, and it was placed in their files. No official report seems to have been written.

The incident and letter were CLASSIFIED. Do you think the MOD classifies every letter it recieves? Things are classified because of their significance, the MOD dont just classify fan mail.

As for the height of the cold war......uhhhm we are talking about the UK here, the cold war was not the same in the UK as the USA, we didnthave closet commies and paranoia as your media and government drummed up in the USA.

As fopr Russian fighters flying over the UK at that time....show me a single incident involving a Russian fighter in UK airspace. American thinking on a british subject im afraid.

Originally posted by Phage
The description of the radar contact seems to fit the description of the effects of radar countermeasures. The fact that, during the Cold War, an interceptor and GCI may have been spoofed by a Soviet (or other unidentified) aircraft would be very good reason to "conceal" the incident. Of note is the fact that there was never any visual contact made with this immense object, by the pilot of the interceptor or ground observation.

I think you, Stringue, and Nfotech may be right about this. If the incident happened, it may have been either a test of top-secret material, or the Soviets probing British airspace and NATO responses.

I found what appears to be an inconsistency in the story, via the link IAttackPeople provided:

There it was exactly where I was told it would be, at 30 degrees and at 15 miles. The blip was burning a hole in the radar with its incredible intensity. It was similar to a blip I had received from B-52s, and seemed to be a magnet of light.

Then he goes on to say...

These things I remember clearly. I ran the range gate marker over
the blip, and the jizzle band faded as the marker superimposed over the blip. I had a lock on that had the proportions of a flying aircraft By that, I mean the return on the radar was so strong
that it could not be overlooked by the fire control system on
the F-86D.

Am I reading this wrong?

Hey SaviorComplex you better be careful with silver6ix. When you disagree with his supposed "facts" he pouts and will put you on ignore It is best to just nod and smile..

[edit on 20-10-2008 by riggs2099]

Again im laughing. Please show me reports of soviet aircraft over the UK before 1990.

UK isnt in USA people....

You might want to check the range of Soviet fighters in 1958, probably MIG19 fighters, and you might just discover they didnt have anywhere near the range to reach UK never mind return. Hence the fact there were no Russian planes over UK hence the fact the cold war was of very little interest to UK,

[edit on 20-10-2008 by silver6ix]

Originally posted by silver6ix
As for Russian fighters flying over the UK at that time....show me a single incident involving a Russian fighter in UK airspace...

There are many incidents throughout the near fifty years of the Cold War where Soviet aircraft would often probe British airspace to test NATO defenses.

Here is an incident from 1958, where a Tu-95 was able to slip past early-warning radar (due to sabotage). Other incidents where they would probe British airspace are not hard to find.

But regardless of whether a Soviet bomber was able to penetrate that far into British airspace, what matters is what those on the ground believed at the time. Once again, this was the height of the Cold War, and any unidentified craft in British airspace would be a cause for alarm.

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ok the sidewider was in deployment in 57. I Had read on an aviation website it was still under testing until 58.



As for the cloud cover. What was the weather on that day?

Is it common practice to engage and fire upon a radar contact in friendly skies without any viusal identification? Just curious.

Originally posted by Fang
Interesting line in the Guardians coverage of this story. It quotes David Clarke from Sheffield University who suggested the Pilot may have been a guinea pig in an experiment utillising the US 'Palladium" system, which was being developed at that time to create false radar images. This incident took place in the vicinity of the Orford Ness research facility which was then controlled by the US.

Has anyone found anymore information about "Palladium". Seems like a VERY plausible explanation.