US pilot ordered to shoot down UFO over Norwich

Found this article on my local newspaper website.

A FORMER fighter pilot has told how he was ordered to shoot down a UFO the size of an aircraft carrier over England 50 years ago

Link to article

This is the kind of news that should wake people up. Officially declassified encounters with UFOs and military craft. Not only was it real enough to be given a firing order, something the UK air Force would only do in serious circumstance, but it took off at phenomenal speeds before he could fire.

UK Airforce and Air Control in those days was among the very best in the world, this due to the UK being an Island and stretegic, Naval and Air Defence was a highly advanced and highly specialised area.

The whole island is awash with radar stations and radar tracking and for something to come in and be considered a target, it had to be very real and taken very serious by an Air Force who specialised in air defence, not some backwater military with half baked equipment.

Very considerable information and again it shows that the governments and airforces of the world DO keep this stuff under blankets.

Hmmm well actually the story was in the Sun which I suppose contacted the pilot listed in the files, so nobody will believe it

[edit on 20-10-2008 by silver6ix]

hahahaha but still it is interesting lol

This article is one that makes me laugh so hard that I can barely breathe...

Shooting down a million tonne starship that has been through the farthest
reaches of space containing engines of nearly infinite energy density
with the ability to create field effects that can distort the very fabric
of space and time......TRYING to shoot it down with a Sidewinder missile?
Now that is a laugh that makes me want to quaff a few pints in disbelief.

It surprises me that a commanding officer who has ANY semblance of
advanced education SHOULD realize that what goes up and gets shot
down....tends to come down rather hard....At 50,000 feet a million
tonne starship would make more than just a big dent when and IF it
were able to be brought down....Perhaps these commanding officers
need a lesson in physics, specifically to do with the concepts of mass,
inertia and acceleration and what happens when a large mass
meets an almost immoveable object like the Earth at a few hundred
miles per hour (or faster).

Perhaps they would also realize that anything that can create a field-effect
to keep itself aloft even though it WEIGHS a million tonnes is likely
to also have the ability to counter a puny Sidewinder missile and thus be
able to either return a larger calibre of ordnance or at the very least
effectively disable any active attack using conventional explosives.

It's almost too funny to think that anything less than a nuke is going
to do ANY DAMAGE to a flying ship that probably has 10 times the
physical mass (weight) of a Nimitz-class carrier in order to take the
abuse of travelling through the cold, dark passages of space and time!

To read the report for yourselves, this information was included in the MODs October 2008 release of UFO files available at ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk.

There are many files, for this case download DEFE 24/1931/1 page 259-262.

Really cool case, summarising;
- Object monitored for "considerable-time" by ground radar "orbiting East-Anglia area", "unusual flight pattern", "motionless for long intervals"

- "Checking with all the controlling agencies revealed this was an Unidentified Flying Object"

- 2 alert F-86 sabre jets scrambled, armed with 24 rockets each.

- Sabres climbed to FL320 at maximum afterburner with radars on under Ground Controlled Intercept (GCI) directions

- Conditions were IFR "impossible to see anything" unfortunately, but it was night. "no stars,no lights,no silouhettes,in short nothing"

- Sabres were directed by GCI for a "lead collision course type rocket release", leveled off at mach 0.92, "about as fast as the F-86D could go straight and level".

- "The order came to fire a full salvo of rockets at the UFO", "I was only a lieutenant and very much aware of the gravity of the situation", "I almost # my pants" (lol).

- "I asked for authentification of the order to fire, and I recieved it", "I selected 24 rockets to salvo"

- "The final turn was given" and the pilot asked to locate the object on his own radar.

- "Did not have a hard time at all", "Blip was burning a hole in the radar with its incredible intensity", "I had a lock on that had the proportions of a flying aircraft carrier", "It was the best target I could ever remember locking on to"

- The lock estabilished at 15 miles which was the maximum range lockable, data indicated a 800knot overtake - I presume the object was stationary.

- "At about 10 seconds to go, I noticed the overtake position was changing its position", the object was accelerating away from the sabres. "It moved rapidly to....the 11 o'clock position", indicating a negative overtake of 200 knots (maximum displayable).

- GCI asked if the pilot could see anything "I was still in the soup and could see nothing"

- The UFO broke lock, and was observed leaving the radar 30 mile range, the pilot reported this and was "told that the blip had gone off the scope in two sweeps at the GCI site".

Download the pdf file, its a great read, pg 259-262. The pilot was warned later by a shadowy figure, and maintained secrecy for 30 years.

[edit on 20-10-2008 by stringue]

i was very supprised that it would pop up in the local paper here.

Originally posted by StargateSG7
Shooting down a million tonne starship that has been through the farthest
reaches of space containing engines of nearly infinite energy density
with the ability to create field effects that can distort the very fabric
of space and time......TRYING to shoot it down with a Sidewinder missile?
Now that is a laugh that makes me want to quaff a few pints in disbelief.

Best Quote In History, lmao... I know eh, as if a sidewinder is gonna save the day, lmao

Wow..Thanks for the article. More and more "old timers" that were in the MIL are starting to come out with their stories.

Disclosure is near. I forwarded the article to people.

This is a little egg on the face for those claiming no evidence of UFOs and also claiming governments and military havent covered them up.

The RAF were convinced enough to give a firing command over mainland UK which is a significant statement. Again we have heard over and over "there no threat" and yet clearly theres threat enough to order Sabres to unload 24 rockets into them.

An event of that significance was buried in MOD archives which pretty much sums up what the military does with this sort of information.

"After my debriefing on the events he advised me that this would be considered. highly classified and that I should not discuss it with anybody not even my commander. . ,He threatened me with . national
security breach if I breathed a word about it to anyone."

That about sums up the honesty and integrity with which the matter is treated really.

The funny thing is, somehow this thread has been here for a while already and none of our local super know it all debunker skeptic showed up to umm share their point of view. I wonder why ..

On topic: I wonder why they came to the conclusion that its a good idea to try and shoot at something as big and as tech advanced as that craft. (Of course if the whole incident really happened )

[edit on 20-10-2008 by Thill]

...the source of the story "The Sun" is only relevant if the original source can't be found to check in to it. It can here so thats good.
...1957....someone gave the order to shoot...doesn't mean that some committee of physic experts or high level minds were consulted first. If you have big ship over city you either 1) knock it down 2) observe it and hope it doesn't nuke your city or 3) send what you have up to see if you could "deter" it.
.....maybe for some of you that found the reaction so hiliarious how about if you were camping and a grizzly bear was coming for your family and all you had in your hand was a flashlight. Should we all rofl because you thought you could take out the bear with it? How about if you instead gave the bear some sharp firm vocal commands to leave you and your family alone?
But what should we think of you if you decided rather to run to your car and leave your family to fend for themselves....after all no reason for all of you to be eaten.
This story seems believable in every aspect to me. (the ufo story here I mean) Mostly because we don't have to depend on "The Sun" as the only source.

Originally posted by Thill
The funny thing is, somehow this thread has been here for a while already and none of our local super know it all debunker skeptic showed up to umm share their point of view. I wonder why ..

On topic: I wonder why they came to the conclusion that its a good idea to try and shoot at something as big and as tech advanced as that craft. (Of course if the whole incident really happened

)

[edit on 20-10-2008 by Thill]

At that time the British RAF was a highly specialised setup mostly because the UK was an Island which meant NAVY and Airforce were of a high priority.

Anything on that scale crossing into the country within range of the cities would be considered a threat and at that time I doubt they really understood the consequences, it would have been shoot first ask questions later.

As for skeptics. Well they wont be here since this is a thread which proves military have known about tis kind of thing and chosen to bury it, which is something skeptics like to deny based on "no proof".

I think the facts speak for themsleves, encounters with UFOs have happened and the files are buried and classified, the public statements of "no threat" are obviously not something they believe or they wouldnt be giving firing orders over civilian cities.

I watched an interview with a UFO researcher this morning about this incident, He was saying that he had spoken to the pilot and the pilot had said That "It was The Time of the cold war and a lot of people thought the UFO might be Russian". This is why he had the order to fire, He wasn't trying to take out a huge spaceship with a little rocket.

I don't see how it was a threat, apart from the airline one where it crossed its path.

It clearly just wanted to take a look around earth for a bit, maybe see a few sites... call into a motel

No but seriously i bet what ever it was, was just being nosy at our planet, because the views from space are stunning! Take my avatar for example!

reply to post by silver6ix


Aye , but thats like trying to take out a tank with a bow and arrow (tech wise) IMO. Bleh don't they teach those commanders some common sense durring training ? "If its bigger than anything you encountered before it has to have BIG guns , so maybe ask questions first and then try to shoot it not the other way around"

But oh well I guess common sense is not included in training. Its just good that they didn't manage to shoot before it accelerated or we could have had a very quick and convincing disclosure after a few bases would have been grounded

I wonder what would have happened if the sidewinder did hit. Personally if I were the starship captain I would have stayed put after the missile hit and then broadcast on all known frequencies the message. "dude you're a jerk! What I do?" then slowly cruise off at my leisure.

This incident most likely took place during the time period when intercepts with weapons were still being attempted. It was the huge loss of life / aircraft and the year of air disasters following at least one successful intercept which led to the policy change of observation only. The use of a F-86 Sabre fits into the time line described by several researchers ie Timothy Good and others.

Just showing up in a jet and firing the occasional missile did seem to make the UFO's leave the airspace, NATO did much the same thing with Soviet bombers approaching their airspace.

So many military witnesses have come forward yet many still choose to ignore it.......

I've been able to piece together some of the puzzle pieces to the ultra secret flying projects over the last 60 years.

What amazes me is how they managed to incorporate mind control within it
as a side project. It all got started by the Germans ... landing the USA and Russian into a bizarre competition.

I was blessed to read the documents from Puharichs private archives ... how they used the flying disks to abduct subjects for a life long study in behavior and mind control.

Its no mystery to me why the DoD or the CIA would declassify this.

I've come to accept the reason Marianne and I where the founding two in MKULTRA is based upon the old FOO fighters and our paranormal talents.

(Edgar knows it)

[edit on 20-10-2008 by Skydancer]

The amount of information that squeezes out of the woodwork is amazing. Any one of them should be enough to spark real study or public admissions but no, here we sit in the dark. Lets face it, anything short of every person on the planet seeing a Alien craft at the same time will be dismissed/debunked as lunatic fringe.

I read the same artical in todays paper.
Also they may have had some idea of what this thing was made of and how for them to shoot it down. Maybe some of the UFO craft that enter the atmosphere are not that advanced.
If these craft are so technologicaly advanced why havent they figured out stealth technology or some other form of radar invisibility yet?.