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reply to post by pause4thought



Throw in Kondratieff and Time Wave Zero, as well as Elliott Wave theories...there is no other choice for TPTB...

Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by RolandBrichter

 

Oh I don't doubt that there will be "pockets of resistance" I KNOW there will be & I know where I'll be too

but for the most part, no. Americans will sit back and take it, whatever it is.

We have so far & I have no reason anymore to believe that things will change.

The Liberal Agenda will prove to be a success in their efforts to destroy America as we once knew it, they have made record progress so far.

You know the Agenda, we should welcome illegal aliens into our midst, give up our guns, *force* the Federal Gov to do MORE FOR US, since we can't do it for ourselves, dumb down the children through "progressive education" (forget the facts, how does that make you feel? type education), the list goes on.

I worry for my children, they will be the ones who live through the worst of what's coming.

I agree on your main point...there are plenty of sheep...but that doesn't lessen our responsibility as sheepdogs

I share your concern for our children, but something tells me that your children will fare better than most..

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


This is what the Fed will have to do to stop inflation but guess what, its not going to do it, because the deficit is to big.

I doubt very much that the Fed will do what is necessary to guard against future inflation and higher interest rates. If the Fed were to reduce the monetary base by $1 trillion, it would need to sell a net $1 trillion in bonds. This would put the Fed in direct competition with Treasury's planned issuance of about $2 trillion worth of bonds over the coming 12 months. Failed auctions would become the norm and bond prices would tumble, reflecting a massive oversupply of government bonds.

online.wsj.com...

We already know that China and other nations that buy our bonds has lowered the purchase of them by a lot in recent months.

reply to post by RolandBrichter

Throw in Kondratieff and Time Wave Zero, as well as Elliott Wave theories...there is no other choice for TPTB...

How much of what you say is rhetoric and how much is hand-on-heart what you are truly expecting? This is not a loaded question or an attempt to question the integrity of what you said here. I'm genuinely interested to know the depth of your expectation of global war in the forseeable future. Economic theory is one thing. Becoming a survivalist is quite another, it seems to me (-though I do not discount the possibility there could one day be no other choice).

I'm deadly serious.



[edit on 16/6/09 by pause4thought]

Originally posted by pause4thought
reply to post by RolandBrichter

 

Throw in Kondratieff and Time Wave Zero, as well as Elliott Wave theories...there is no other choice for TPTB...

How much of what you say is rhetoric and how much is hand-on-heart what you are truly expecting? This is not a loaded question or an attempt to question the integrity of what you said here. I'm genuinely interested to know the depth of your expectation of global war in the forseeable future. Economic theory is one thing. Becoming a survivalist is quite another, it seems to me (-though I do not discount the possibility there could one day be no other choice).

I'm deadly serious.



[edit on 16/6/09 by pause4thought]

I respect your intentions, and I have no reservations in telling you that I have ,for the most part, bailed out of the prevailing socio-political economic system...and I believe with every fiber of my being that a global conflagration is just around the corner...I take no joy in that statement...I have young children and I fear for their future, but I have made the conscious decision to brace my family for , what I perceive as the inevitable..

I truly understand where you are coming from, there is plenty of generic hypothesizing on this site...I am truly buying into my words...

reply to post by RolandBrichter


In addition, I have made no secret about what I do for a living...

I am in contact with people who are living their words everyday...and it gives me hope..

reply to post by RolandBrichter


Someone who puts their money where their mouth is - whether literal or metaphoric - has my attention. I need time to reflect on this. Although I am not 'there' yet, the force of economic theory alone is increasingly compelling in the light of current events in general, and the discussions over the last hour or two here in particular.

Thank you RB. I'm off for a walk and a think.

reply to post by marg6043


Imagine that now they want to take money out of the economy to stop the incoming mega inflation.

We are so screwed. Nobody know what to do.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife

As far as a war on our soil, it's a possibility, but strategically they would want to engineer a coup, they would want to pit us all against each other. Like you said there is a gun behind every blade of grass. I don't think they could achieve their objective if they invaded us.

In comes Obama and his Czars.

Planning, training, programming, orchestration all funded by a nation(s) who is foe to U.S.

The coup has happened.

Civil unrest is just beginning. We will destroy ourselves.

We are in the middle of a social war 'experiment', soon to be 'success', that war strategists and historians will be studying for hundreds of generations to come.

Originally posted by RolandBrichter

Originally posted by pause4thought
reply to post by RolandBrichter

 

Throw in Kondratieff and Time Wave Zero, as well as Elliott Wave theories...there is no other choice for TPTB...

How much of what you say is rhetoric and how much is hand-on-heart what you are truly expecting? This is not a loaded question or an attempt to question the integrity of what you said here. I'm genuinely interested to know the depth of your expectation of global war in the forseeable future. Economic theory is one thing. Becoming a survivalist is quite another, it seems to me (-though I do not discount the possibility there could one day be no other choice).

I'm deadly serious.



[edit on 16/6/09 by pause4thought]

I respect your intentions, and I have no reservations in telling you that I have ,for the most part, bailed out of the prevailing socio-political economic system...and I believe with every fiber of my being that a global conflagration is just around the corner...I take no joy in that statement...I have young children and I fear for their future, but I have made the conscious decision to brace my family for , what I perceive as the inevitable..

I truly understand where you are coming from, there is plenty of generic hypothesizing on this site...I am truly buying into my words...

Well, here is some hope for ya. Bear with me on this one... it is a stretch.
K-Wave and Elliott Wave both rely on cycles. These cycles are fractal and comprised of resonating smaller cycles all the way out to very large cycles.

Timewave Zero is very much the same, but shows that the resonance is a function of time and approaches zero.

What happens at zero?

Okay, if K-Wave and Elliott Wave seem to indicate that a large economic 'winter'/depression is coming for western countries (and consequently the world since global economy relies on western economy) then according to those theories there will be a major war which will 'change everything' and spur the next 'spring'/growth into a new large cycle, right?

But Timewave Zero indicates that this large cycle we are winding down in is the last one.

What does that mean? The last what?

Perhaps is the the end of cycles of this nature? One can argue that the cycles are a function of man and his action/reaction as a whole in society. Like a mini chaos theory, individuals or relatively small groups of people will make decisions, cause wars, make actions and react to things in a predictable pattern which transcends an individual's lifetime. Suppose that everybody on Earth became aware of our global actions and reactions and decided to start thinking long-term and not reacting to 'immediate timeframe' issues? Maybe we will start acting as a globe instead of small pockets of selfish, scared, primitive humans?

I don't know, to me it seems like these cycles will be ending soon, and I am trying to figure out what would cause a cycle to stop. Either we stop being here, or we start acting as a whole. Just my opinion.

reply to post by SourGrapes


That is what I was thinking, Obama and his Czars and they way they are acting look a lot like something planned from Russia.

Good thing is though, is that not as many people are fawning over Obama as the media and polls would like us to believe.

Massive Civil Unrest is coming, wait till it hits critical mass. That will decide whether it was successful or not. Remember not every outside government influenced coup as succeeded. The Russians tried it in their own country the first time around and it wasn't successful, they had to do it during a war.

It will only be a success if people want it to be, and I feel strongly that most people don't want it.

On Topic:

The markets are down so far today though they started in the green, so we will see what happens.

reply to post by nydsdan


Want to know what will make a cycle stop? An Ice Age.

An event that nobody can fight against. People will start fending for themselves. No governments no borders no boundaries, just small pockets of people doing what is necessary to survive. That is a good outlook, bad out look is nuclear winter.

I say its the first though, new countries will rise, etc yada yada yada. You get the idea.

And all the markets are down, except for the Biotech markets, people must be investing heavily preparing for this swine flu thing.

Edit to add -

Magnachip files for chapter 11

That's four major corporations that have filed for Chap. 11 today.

How much longer are they going to try to present the case of "green shoots and roses"?

cdpaman had a great thread on the coming economic woes. I think it is too late to soften the blow so to speak though. We all know liars always get caught.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


TECHNICALLY we are STILL in an Ice Age, as we still have Ice Caps on the Poles.

But I understand what you mean, some kind of global affecting natural disaster/change.

An asteroid storm, for example... with lots of Earth hits

It's days like today when I really wish that religions were more than superstitions (MY OPINION) and I could truly believe in a "super-natural out" coming our way. But alas for me, that isn't my situation.

I would also like to believe that "something wonderful" will happen in 2012 at the end of the Mayan Calendar.

I keep trying to get a hold of Scotty on the Enterprise, but he ain't listening to beam me up LOL

Unfortunately, if something did occur which created a global reversion to "simplicity" such as "Ice Age", Asteroid destruction, etc. It is more likely that a majority of the survivors would go "Mad Max" rather than revert to the way of primitive tribes.

The remnants of technology would still be available to be used, coveted, killed for, etc.

Nope, no matter how I run the simulation through my head, I cannot find a viable way where things get better - at least not until they get really bad FIRST, then MAYBE there will be some "good" areas to live.

But man is such a self-destructive creature, maybe the cockroaches will be the next higher life form, they sure have the survival ability, history shows us that

reply to post by redhatty

I keep trying to get a hold of Scotty on the Enterprise, but he ain't listening to beam me up LOL

That's great! I'm in the same boat.

Well even in ancient times during the hunter gather days people still fought with one another. It's just history is replaying itself and all the history that was never taught is about to be lived.

I sure don't have any hopes that the world is going to be peachy after all what happens happens. I think in general the world is caught up in too much of it self.

If you think about it, if people weren't demonized for things like UFO's and things imagine where we would be.

Originally posted by nydsdan

I don't know, to me it seems like these cycles will be ending soon, and I am trying to figure out what would cause a cycle to stop. Either we stop being here, or we start acting as a whole. Just my opinion.

I like what your thinking, and I've pondered that possibility myself, but my addiction to historical evidence makes me lean in another direction...there is considerable evidence that points to the idea that there have been MANY high tech civilizations on this planet in the past and the expanding and contacting cycles does away with them in due time...There are always survivors, however, but the overall paradigm of their existence changes dramatically with each passing cycle...

Interesting..but outside the scope of this thread..

Regards,
RB

it may be time to go LOONNG gov't bonds for a few weeks... if stock market heads back down toward march lows (it won't break them or get below 7000 in the next month IMO before bouncing back higher after people see that it did not break march lows).........long term bonds will rise in price (yields will fall....and Refi's will be something anyone should take advantage of (if rates get down below 5%))

and all the people that think inflation is here or around the bend will be spinning

the bottom line is there is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between the *potential for inflation* i.e excess money reserves sitting at the fed...collecting risk free interest and actual inflation (banks actually lending more aggresively into the worst employment and business earnings enviornment in at least a generation.....if nothing else....think about that next time someone mentions inflation

[edit on 16-6-2009 by cpdaman]

We are in the middle of a social war 'experiment', soon to be 'success', that war strategists and historians will be studying for hundreds of generations to come.

Busy day on this thread. Someone has been working overtime on that global war meme over at truthdig. They are probably just seeing who will salute but I really hope that doesn't spill over into the mainstream media as it is a compelling piece.

The MSM seems to be steering the investing sheeple towards the summer pastures, perhaps in preparation for a flight to quality in government bonds. God knows someone needs to start taking the debt.

Some of these vain shallow news stories that the MSM appear to be putting out for the emotional charge factor have much deeper roots that can be fleshed out by groups like ATS. The kings ransom bond story is a good example. Is it North Korean forgeries or Us Debt dumping? cast your vote here on ATS! This whole world situation is getting a little hard to assimilate with any accuracy so we will have to see which scenarios start to verify.

reply to post by pause4thought

Perhaps this is not an open-and-shut case of FED fraud after all. What do you reckon?

It is (always) interesting how Reinhardt sees the shape of things to come:

Rohm knows that a nation doesn’t let a good crisis go to waste
*
Rohm also knows a nation doesn’t let a good war opportunity go to waste as well
*
This war opportunity is being handed to wall-street and the corrupt enterprise..
on a silver platter
*
get ready for the wave of N Korean refugees
(best not to let that go to waste either)

www.enterprisecorruption.com...

I can only add, trying not to be cynical, just ironical: All those empty containers in west American ports need to be filled with something, no?

Originally posted by pause4thought
reply to post by RolandBrichter

 

Throw in Kondratieff and Time Wave Zero, as well as Elliott Wave theories...there is no other choice for TPTB...

How much of what you say is rhetoric and how much is hand-on-heart what you are truly expecting? This is not a loaded question or an attempt to question the integrity of what you said here. I'm genuinely interested to know the depth of your expectation of global war in the forseeable future. Economic theory is one thing. Becoming a survivalist is quite another, it seems to me (-though I do not discount the possibility there could one day be no other choice).

I'm deadly serious.



[edit on 16/6/09 by pause4thought]

Yes, give us some meat on that bone. I am familiar with Kondratiev and Armstrong theory/practice. We need a concrete time line of events.

We are now also repeating French history, the Revolution and Napoleon move against East are due.

Reinhardt has writtenn down his Enrons, but they are poetical translations.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

Want to know what will make a cycle stop? An Ice Age. An event that nobody can fight against. People will start fending for themselves. No governments no borders no boundaries, just small pockets of people doing what is necessary to survive. That is a good outlook, bad out look is nuclear winter.

You know, this is interesting.
Now imagine all those people, so distributed into small pockets, have one thing in common - a chip implant