Orzeml(The Pleiadean) message to our kind

This is his main thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

His account is face to face contact. My experience by comparison is abductions, and numerous sitings of crafts including other family members.

Why must all these aliens constantly talk about us and tell us how bad off we are and that we need so much help and/or that we have been helped by them.... and my god, if they hadn't helped we'd all be blown to bits by now.

I don't want to hear about us...... blah blah blah.

If they really want me to believe, tell me some stuff about them.
Eveyone knows we need help, I don't we need aliens to tell us that.

They are so damn righteous!

Originally posted by PeteLee
Well, it's official. The ignorant people have to be eliminated before we have contact. That means that the NWO will have to take over and "evolve" our race. Or, the visitors will come down and do it for us. Well, I'm done crying about this. I hope you all have a nice afterlife.

The bell curve seems to be accurate; and, since that inevitability is obvious, we are going to have a serious culling of the herd.

I, for one, will no longer fear this. I am not guilty of the sins outlined by the OP; but, the rest of you are. And, God's speed to our evolution, in whatever form it may come.

The rest of us are? That includes me? So first off, I'm generally disparaged by Americans for being a socialist, then now you are accusing me of being guilty of 'putting money and greed above everything else'? The fact that I loathe the military-industrial complex and baulk at pathetic online, war-mongering is outright dismissed because I dare to question the credibility of these claims?

What's obviously lost on you is that one of the reasons these "sins" exist in the first place is because of gullibility, that people believe our leaders when they tell us those guys over there are going to kill us, so we must kill them before they kill us. Or believe them when they say 'look, we've got your best interests at heart here'. Or any other scenario where they try and dumb-down people into some kind of frightened herd.

But obviously that kind of gullibilities different. We're meant to believe this particular scenario with no proof at all.

I, actually, wrote about this in my book, after my own encounter of the third kind, because these "visitors" told me it was going to happen this way as soon as Nemesis returned. And, I'm truly sorry to those people who will not live to see our grand future.

Your honor is your destiny.

[edit on 17 10 2008 by PeteLee]

Actually, we might be getting to the root of the real issue here as to why you're so indignant at the "ignorance" on this thread. You wrote a book about your alien encounter. Now unless this is available as a free PDF somewhere, you have a commercial bias in both giving support to the OP and trying to defend the OP from any view points that may 'rock the boat' as it were.

You know what? I believe there is life out there, and I think that during mankind's existence on this planet we have been 'visited'. However, threads like this don't actually help my belief or go any way to compound them.

I see claims and alleged proof of a superior alien intelligence that are actually prone to some very human intelligence flaws. It reminds me of when children tell made-up stories to adults, which they believe are wholly convincing and completely 'water-tight', simply because they don't have the intelligence themselves to actually see the flaws or holes in their own story. Because they can't see them, and therefore they assume they're not there, they believe others won't either. There's several elements of this story that have that feel to me.

Even you're own post has bits of this. Regarding your points about us evolving as a race, how do they work with regards to actual message in the post? Apparently, one of the issues the Pleiadeans have with us is because we're in the thrall of a money-grubbing, war-mongering ethos and now you're suggesting that a NWO thins the population out? How will that change anything? Surely that actually makes it worse? The people that will be thinned out by the NWO are the ones that are against the money-grubbing and the war-mongering? I thought they were the ones that the aliens liked and were hoping would eventually be the dominant type of human, not the dominated ones? Won't the NWO take over actually push us back regarding us being worthy of 'mass alien contact' or whatever it us they're going to grant us?

As for your other alternative scenario, alien intervention, apparently this isn't really going to happen until we sort ourselves out as a race. We need to learn to stop being selfish money-grubbers and war-mongers before they'll 'come on down'. Which brings us back to either the NWO or the fact that we need intervention now, not later. It seems weird these 'caring and sharing' aliens are going to let billions more people die through the war-mongering and greed perpetrated by what they admit themselves is a small minority of the population who has total control over everyone else.

Or are you saying the OP's message is wrong, that the aliens are going to intervene anyway? If you're saying the OP's message is wrong, then how are you not any different from the rest of us on this thread who are picking apart the story?

[edit on 18-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]

[edit on 18-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]

tthe pleidians wont come till then but the annunaki r going to come rapture anyone who has reached this way of live the plaidians speak of, so hide away from cities in the woods b4 2011, and raise ur vibration enuff so when they come they can tune in2 the vibrations and beam u away b4 the earth resets.

Hi

Thank you for your replies all of them.

But please be aware that I am not in a position to tell or demand anything from my contact source.

I sometime ask thing but mostly just hear what is said to me.

it is very hard to explain here on this board but when I am in the company of these beings I feel humbled and keen and and would never even think of getting upset as it is just not possible in thier presence.

As for asking them for me to take a group photo of them this has never crossed my mind as the need to prove something that can always be disproved by some would only belittle me in thier eyes.
It is so easy for Beamish to say ask them to fly over the planet to prove your point but once in the company of such beings these thoughts are not the most important.

[edit on 18-10-2008 by smokingman2006]

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ive got a flying saucer that I was suppose to fly over alabama this week.. but the darn thing needs some work on the anti grav. thrusters... but you can have it.. cuz you need something to travel around in that world your living in...

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No one is saying that you demand anything from your "contacts".

All I am saying is that they have the means to silence every critic of your threads by simply agreeing to a sighting, telling you exactly where and when it will happen, and what is to be expected.

Is that not a logical and reasonable request?

After all, there are thousands of UFO sightings every day, so what difference will another make, except it may convert those who question, and who will continue to question you. I may be wrong but you are receiving more criticism than you are support. With the advent of a prophecy that comes true to the letter, the the tide may change.

But please be aware that I am not in a position to tell or demand anything from my contact source.

Yes you are.
You say you are their mouthpiece.
They have come into your life and changed it radically.
Your wife left you.
You now have no job.
You've been told that you will not be evacuated from the impending destruction that will be caused by the "mass" that is approaching our planet.
Therefore you'll probably be amongst the 6,500,000,000 people who are to die on earth.
So what is wrong precisely with asking for a little payback?

it is very hard to explain here on this board but when I am in the company of these beings I feel humbled and keen and and would never even think of getting upset as it is just not possible in thier presence.

Indulge us. Pour your heart out. Engage us emotionaly with the incredible impact this "contact" has inflicted upon you. Just be you instead of a regurgitator of established philosophy.

As for asking them for me to take a group photo of them this has never crossed my mind as the need to prove something that can always be disproved by some would only belittle me in thier eyes.

Why in Sam Hill would it not occur to you? Wow! Don't you have a camera phone? Why would they mind? You've already stated that Billy Meier was telling the truth, and he published photos of his "contacts"? So why not you?

It is so easy for Beamish to say ask them to fly over the planet to prove your point but once in the company of such beings these thoughts are not the most important.

No, they may not be the most important.

But they are relevant.

And it may be easy for me to ask you things that you constantly squirm around the answers to, but it is also easy for you to simply fob us off with weak excuses, or indeed to simply ignore the questions. Didn't you expect to encounter opposition and distrust to your claims?

It is really not that simple. He could be challenging their message. But that would be counterproductive to receiving it. And most people in this situation would already assume something out of the ordinary was happening, and that the visitors had chosen a course of action, or to make suggestions that could help. This wouldn't have been casually chosen by the group of ets, nor would anyone they selected be casual about the message. Only in the end, with the body of the whole message would it stand on its own merit. There is no proof that can be supplied. If they were to discreetly show themselves or provide a sign to one or two members on the board, this still would be subjective and you could not prove it to others. If it was the kind of proof that blew skeptics out of the water, the men in black would undo it instantly. This is truly militia and even perhaps time travel protocol. And thats from their end, our end kills to hide evidence!

I know of another guys account, who I recognized immediately as one of the experiencers, and he is really skeptical himself and because they had trained him psychically since youth, and he knew the full extent of how "they" impact our minds and can affect our thoughts and how we feel about everything and "them", he would be questioning these guys and putting them through the ropes so to speak. But in this case, I don't think being in their presence and feeling their integrity, would make a person willing to upset the boat. Also, they wouldn't chose someone who would. They would have conducted observations for some time before choosing someone who had the manners to deal with them "in the manner they wanted" as it would go the way they directed things.

[edit on 18-10-2008 by mystiq]

[edit on 18-10-2008 by mystiq]

i just have to say if i was pleidian, i would kno about the greys are friends with US GOVERNMENT, AND THE GREYS AND PLAIDIANS ARE AT WAR, COMING DOWN IN THEIR SHIPS WOULD BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR THE PLEIDIANS. I WOULDNT RISK IT IF I WAS PLEIDIAN.

I'm going to have to disagree with you overall. The key marker memory I have did involve a group of greys, an aryan human that had clipped pale blond hair, and as an adult looking back now, I'd call him a nazi, and what could have been aryan human blond female, but for some distinct reason that escapes my memory, I feel she was a nordic, possibly the way she and a grey female handled the children and the psi contact. The experiences have continued, and my sons are showing signs of something, my 17 year old talking about seeing a grey before sleep, dreams of being aboard a craft and being shown dates, that he can't remember, and a viewing screen with a possible history lesson, a crashed ship and wounded greys. Both of us feel strongly that this group has broken all ties to our militia and its a feeling that this is with emphasis.
They are working behind scene for the good of our planet. They, unlike the groups that would wait and see, or that practice non-intervention are more interested in intervention. But we probably wouldn't like the deal they would force upon us, to save our planet and insure life remains on it. They also will intervene should we approach an all out danger or catastrophe. If its man made in any way but theatens the survival of the planet we will be facing a forced change whether we like it or not! Thats the message thats in me. This group isn't fighting with the pleiadians, but works along with them at times. But each group is different in its recommendations and what it wants to achieve. And so far, a larger group or federation has prevented them from doing whatever they wish whenever they wish. But the period of non-intervention may be coming to a close.


[edit on 18-10-2008 by mystiq]

Please ask him concrete questions about dec/21-2012
the pole shift
we don't need them to tell us who controls the world, human greed etc
Thanks

Originally posted by farther84
In all honesty if these aliens have watched over us for centuries they would see that we have come a long way in terms of being kind to one another and seeing all humans as equal.

You just have to look at the enslavement of blacks, gladitorial combat (for the amusment of others), the Nazi regime, etc etc.

Yes there is a minority that still does not see our past mistakes but we are a lot less brutal and barbaric than we used to be and have come a long way since these times

I can't agree with you more farther84. We have come a long way and I would think any other civilization that truly knew the past of humans, that they would recognize that fact as well.

I will write about the dragon era on earth soon

I have not been to well these last few days....



[edit on 21-10-2008 by smokingman2006]

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Hey smokingman! I hope you feeling better soon.

I have a bone to pick with your Pleiadian Pal. We humans do have many distorted behaviors but ask him who gave them to us? Ask him was there manipulations? Ask him if his species had any hand in genetic manipulation of humans? I think so but I would love to hear your pals answers to these questions.

Peace!

Typo

[edit on 21-10-2008 by cindymars]

nothing amuses me more than when people see threads like this and start out by replying "not another one" and yet cant seem to stop posting... and eventually the whole thread becomes an inane arguements of asinine possibilities and inevitably the threads becomes heavilly moderated and becomes another proverbial locked thread that will be revived in yet another similar thread where someone links randomly to the the search funtion to and copies/pastes this very thread's hyperlink [and probably to this post ironically>< ].....

and the circle continues. im waisting bandwidth being here half the time...

Originally posted by smokingman2006

One of the questions I ask was how are we humans perceived by his race?

His answers was that in the last 20 years we have become a race obsess with idolizing pretenders and shallow people.

How can anyone believe you after this gem? We have idolized pretenders and shallow people of and mostly on throughout human history.

To limit it to the last 20 years ruins any believability in the story and or the intelligent beings from wherever they come from. If the alien told you that then they are not all that smart why should you take anything they say as factual.

They left out Hiltler for Petes sake!

i just wanted to say that many ancient religions and other groups have had direct interaction with at least 2 of these alien species. 1. the annunaki who created us from their dna being spliced with apes. which are the gods and angels in all religions, whether the religions realize or not. these guys are friends of the pleidians, we were once their slaves and if u study the religions u see a definitive change suddenly in the way our gods treated us. sum ppl think that the annunaki are coming bak o make us slaves again. i say that if they wanted us as their slaves then we would be rite now. 2. the greys also known as the igigi from my research the pleidians are at war with the greys. the greys are the ones who gave our government the technology. they cut deals with the government, they give the technology in exchange for the right to abduct us and do genetic exeriments in order to blend their species with ours, because of what we can do which most of us dont recognize. the abilitys that take us years sumtimes to fully manifest come very easily to the annunaki, and usually much stronger, such as foresight, telekinesis, projection and other things we tend to classify as magick, which is also why our ancient civilization looked to them as gods. they greys however are a clone species with a collective consciousness and no real understanding of emotion and individuality, they stem from 1 master consciousness and these abilitys we can achieve are totally impossible for the greys because much of this power stems from emotion. the greys are geniuses in technology far more than the annunaki, however these abilitys the annunaki have have kept the greys from being able to dominate the plaidians and annunaki. they believe that by merging their species with ours they can haope to manifest some of these same abilitys try to lvl the playing field. and our world leaders are mere misguided puppets in their grand scheme. and also the nwo are not trying to evolve and help all of us, they want to evolve themselves and leave us behind, so that everyone can be their slaves and they can make permanant their place in power so that noting can threaten it. no more rights, no protest, they want the world 2 be a dictatorship. # THE NWO.