American Patriotism Terrifies me!!

Patriotism, nationalism, whatever it is, I like it. I carry a concealed weapon on myself at all times. I found that it is much better to have a firearm on me at all times and never need it - than to need it that one, single time, and not have one.

It is an expensive, lightweight, custom job based on the Model 1911, a .45 ACP. I found in combat, that when you shoot a bastard with the .45, he goes down hard, every single time.

Now most of the turdnuggets here have never had an occasion to defend yourself. Many of you live in good neighborhoods, regularly patrolled by Police, or some live in gated housing or gated communities.

That's fine, and I'm really glad for you. Your isolation from what's really out there enables your idealism. And I hope it never, ever changes for you. Because if it ever did, someone who is armed could easily take out every single person that has criticized gun ownership here on this post.

Think about it for a second. Do you really, really feel that secure? And if things ever, for whatever reason really got squirrely, do you think you're going to be able to count on the Police?

We've all seen massacres. And each time, the dead dumbasses were unarmed. Every single time. One single person, time and again, having the only gun on the premises, carefully and slowly takes out his vengeance or whatever, on fives, tens, or more of unarmed cattle.

And the cops are never around!

No thanks. I'll take care of myself, and you do the same.

And if you ever find yourself on the receiving end of a senseless massacre, in those last few moments of your life, ask yourself if you now had a gun, and had taken time to be very proficient with it, would you stop that SOB from killing you?

The truth is, no. You wouldn't have the guts or moral resolve. And that's nature's way of saying, "you shouldn't breed."

Originally posted by Thebudweiserstuntman


However, I am eternally glad that this option is out of my hands!! Would you kill someone so easily in the USA i you had to look them in the eyes while the life drained out of them? I Think things might be different.

Again, this is not the point of the original post!!

If guns are the not so hidden agenda behind your bloody thread, stop harping on it and stay on your own post.

why all this talk about guns you can be just as patriotic with a bat or a pitch fork anyway patriotism is not about blindly following orders its about standing up a defending your country even when it the unpopular thing to do even if your defending it against your own government

reply to post by WisdomInChains


"Glasgow smile"?? Dont you mean Glasgow kiss?
If so what as headbutting got to do with gun ownership?

Man you americans are so full of paranoia, fear and hate. Its sad because thats how the powers that be want.

reply to post by dooper



I have been in a few situations with a GUN to my head....and you know what I said ...go ahead ..I am sick and tired of this crap (all that this person put me through ) and I did not fear for one minute (thats what he wanted) ....he got so mad he said ..your not even worth killing and he called me a b..ch ....and took me home and dumped me out ..
He had every intention of killing me ...guess I made him so mad he changed his mind lol ....

I am not afraid to die ..never really have been ...I guess I was getting pretty darned tired of people trying to take my life ..*(I tried to take my own life a few times before that too) ....I am just tired ..so let them kill me ..I really could care less anymore .

If I am in a position where I would have to protect a family member ..I still dont think I would need a gun ...there is alot you can do to protect without a gun .....

Originally posted by Ebaneeza
reply to post by WisdomInChains

 

"Glasgow smile"?? Dont you mean Glasgow kiss?
If so what as headbutting got to do with gun ownership?

en.wikipedia.org... thats what i was reffering to the point is violent crime occur with or without guns

Originally posted by Thebudweiserstuntman
Is it just me or does anyone else find American Patriotism worrying?

Most of the threads on this site, particularly from the southern states such as Texas, to name but a few, seem to blindly accept whatever America does without question.
It honestly reminds me of German Nationalism immediately prior to World War II, particularly the whole flag waving culture that now seems to be embedded in America.

The fact that Bush came into power under the guise of a 'War Presiedent' even before Iraq etc terrifies me and has no place in a modern civilisation.

Anyway, this is not a 'Flame' on America. I hope some Americans can prove me wrong. Let's keep this civil, i'm just looking to be corrected.

Discuss!!

I take it that you were in Pre-Nazi Germany, and so would know and understand just exactly why it reminds you of American Patriotism today?

Just had to ask, and so will take the hit for a one liner.

reply to post by Thebudweiserstuntman


Yea, I was at an event today where we were asked to stand up and place our hands on our hearts and look at the flag while the national anthem was being played. The whole thing felt creepy because it was so forced--if you did not go along with it, you would be censured by the group. The more extreme the group pressure, the less the freedom. Nationalism is an example of the collective ego at work. Fundamentally, the ego is sick/insane and is at the heart of all the problems of this world. We need to outgrow the ego or will probably won't survive as a species. Many teachers offer a path: Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, Lester Levenson, Seung Sahn (Zen), Advaita Vedanda, Sufism and Mystical Christianity (among many others). The path exists at the intersection of all these approaches--the teaching that is the same in all of them is the only part that is of value. They are like a finger pointing to the moon; once you see the moon--forget the finger. Also, like a thorn used to remove a thorn; then throw both away. Journey on...

[edit on 10/12/08 by MorningStar8741]

Originally posted by SpookyVince
So, is this it all? How pathetic how people turn a thread talking about patriotism and its defects into a "I own a gun because I'm an american" and "guns kill, it's wrong to own a gun" thread...

First of all (and sorry to you all people who think you're right in stating the contrary), owning a gun is maybe a right, but is majorly a wrong. You have to remember (or learn) that it was a convenient thing to add to the constitution when it was done, and for many reasons that were right then, but are completely outdated now.

Fact is, indeed, that countries where owning a gun is a right do not necessarily have a higher rate of crime than others. However, examples show easily that owning a weapon is an incentive to do something very wrong when a bad situation happens. "Protecting yourself" means what? It means only one thing: you don't trust your country rules or your police force.

I'm allowing myself to go for a big big sarcasm: so in the eyes of a lot, patriotism = owning a gun?

Sad people...

[edit on 11-10-2008 by SpookyVince]

Well, SppokyVince... You are a bit, um... Spooky, and silly... Making such broad brush strokes of morality on everyone. And it is apparent that you have some rather limited experience with trusting your country, it's rules and the police. But be that as it may... The Desiderata sums it up well... "[Even the dullard has his story".

This is why most people own guns, for self-defense:



This is why American Patriots Keep Arms - to defend us All:




*Also, I have to disagree with the OP when he said that if he had a gun he would have shot the person who wronged him.

I believe the OP wouldn't have done what he said a gun would have made him do, as the OP didn't even stab the person or attempt revenge in any way whatsoever.

I'm 74 and I've been around long enough to confirm the truism;" guns don't kill people, people kill people"...regardless of what the ninnies and puss'in'boots will tell you.

Some adults will crap themselves at the sight of a gun. Those same people want to make it easier for rapists to rape women, though they won't ever say so. You see, in the mind of the ninny, having a law against gun ownership automatically disarms all rapists and makes them stand down. Magic.

The Woman on the right will never know the horror of being raped. This Woman can protect her children:



Lest We forget the lessons of 9/11:





So....



Good Citizens, all of them:


This must be the UK:







[edit on 12-10-2008 by TruthTellist]

reply to post by TruthTellist


Yes, there are rapists with aids lurking around each and every corner and there are people out there that want your daughter MORE vulnerable to them.

Seriously...what country do you live in. Perhaps you need to do something about the rapist problem there and worry less about owning a gun. It seems that where ever it is that you live, there is an inordinate amount of aids infected rapists. That would be a societal problem and guns never solve those.

Please post the stats of women raped by aids infected men.

Now please also post the stats of rapes that have been prevented by a firearm.

I am a "Patriot" for my state first. Country second. The rest of the world....I dont give a crap. I dont care if 10000 people die in the Sudan, I just want to go out on the lake or go hunt. The rest of the world is not a factor on how I live my life. That is why I love living in Texas. 9-11 took all we had. A second attack and you will see far less Texans running to join the war effort. We like it here, and as far as I am concerned the world can turn to ash around us. Been there..You name it, and I have probably been there...Always better when the wheels on the plane touch down at DFW and I can clean the filth of some other country off me. Just my feelings.

Originally posted by Thebudweiserstuntman
reply to post by JipStix

 

Gun owners kinda scare me aswell, like they need to over compensate for something, particularly the ones who cling onto the second ammendment like it was written yesterday - guns serve no purpose in a civilised society

We have guns to protect from tyranny, UN civiled persons (like the ones you name) and standing presidential armies AKA BlackWater,.. I understand your point, but your household fork of KUNG FU for that matter will hold off those wishing to gain unlawful access to my person papers, and property,...

I also like the way you attach the word "patriots" to those who elected Bush... how ametuer a statement. "The ultimate form of patriotism is descent" Thomas Jefferson

Watch Michael Badnarik please, let me remind you this IS a republic, and in a republic others can NOT under any circumstance take a vote on if you can restrict my birth rights,...in a DEMOCRACY you can,.... we can take a vote to restrict guns or even ban them,... then a bunch of us can get back together and take a vote they can, then we can start voting on YOUR rights. Democracy at it's best... I imagine you like democracy, I also imagine you are a U.S. CITIZEN too, and don't even know what that means for you,... Are you a free born American National or a US Citizen,... you can not be both, per the law.

I want to add that my dedication to defend my birth rights has nothing to do with America, or the "values" there of. The greatest thing about the documents guarenteeing our rights in WRITING, is that they are available to ALL humans born here,... no matter what,... THAT is what I protect... not the COUNTRY but the PEOPLE of it,.... but I am just a crazy patriot hell bent on reminding people of the ideas this country was founded upon, birth rights, not national rights. We say America a lot because that's where we live!

Originally posted by DisgustedOne
Awww... come on! You Brits don't have patriotism????? God save the queen and all that??

I'm really, really hoping this post isn't serious. If you were familiar with modern British culture, you'll find that, to the vast overwhelming majority of British people, this 'God Save the Queen' mentality is pretty much an anachronism and is seriously on the wane. A good example is in 1977 there was a Silver Jubilee commemorating 25 years on the throne: it was a seriously big event. Then, there was a Golden Jubilee in 2002, and to put it politely, the majority of people just didn't really care.

Your ancestors were pretty darn patriotic in the 1700's when you were attempting to subdue the colonial rebels.

It's rare internet posts make me literally 'laugh out loud', so thanks for this. You're demonstrating some incredibly flawed logic there.

And we were rebelling against a capitalistic construct of the British commonwealth intent on pillaging the hardworking stiffs trying to support their families.

"Oh, say! Can you see..." that's beautiful; truly beautiful. So, not only is Britain disparaged on one hand for being dirty socialists now, but we're also disparaged for our ancestors' "capitalist construct"? The capitalism which is the basis of much modern-day American patriotism? Are you, like, 250-years-old and carrying over a personal argument from the American Revolution?

Give me a break!

Stand easy, soldier. You've been fighting this war a long time. If anyone deserves a break it's you.

Originally posted by dooper
We've all seen massacres.

Good point! If only the indigenous population of America had been fully armed right at the start!

I'm fairly certain this thread wouldn't exist if that was the case.

Originally posted by Ebaneeza
reply to post by WisdomInChains

 

"Glasgow smile"?? Dont you mean Glasgow kiss?
If so what as headbutting got to do with gun ownership?

Perhaps 'Glasgow smile' is a regional variation on what's often called a 'Chelsea smile', rather than a headbut.

Having just decided to check before continuing the post and possibly making myself look stupid; it seems that's my hunch was right.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


Oh come now. Even in my little part of Scotland we still had a street celebration that weekend of the Queen's Golden Jubilee ... alcoholic drinks all round (lemonade and coke for the kids, mind), sandwiches, quiche & sausage rolls, portable tv out on the balcony, neighbours & friends popping by who we hadn't seen for years ... all good stuff.

And who could fail to be impressed by the pop concert & fireworks from Buckingham Palace ? And the parade through London the next day ? Most (republican) commentators were mightily disappointed that the public were so keen on the celebrations, although to be fair the public did warm to the whole thing rather late.

Roll on 2012 !! The Olympics and the Queen's Diamond Jubilee !!

Meantime lets just remind ourselves of the millions of folks on the streets of London that weekend ... great stuff ... you know, it takes being in the presence of an overwhelming number of Americans for Brits, Australians & Canadians etc to realise we do indeed have a unique common bond.




(that coach is older than the USA itself !)

As to US patriotism terrifying the OP, mm, it's not the patriotism in itself which scares me. It's the way some folks think that having politics on the right of the political spectrum and being patriotic somehow instinctively go hand in hand. And that isn't the case. I'll never understand why US politicians drape themselves in Old Glory so much (or why the electorate continue to buy into it). Patriotism, a quiet patriotism, a personal love of ones own country, folks & way of doing things is nothing to be ashamed about. It's to be modestly celebrated ... once every 25 years !!


(edit ... bloody youtube links)

[edit on 12/10/08 by Niall197]