Convicted paedophile found strangled and dumped in woods

reply to post by Heike

If you read up on this (ugh) which I ended up doing to Moderate a case, you'll find that this is not just a crime modulated by sexual urges.

It also appears to have roots in control, violence and other aspects. My understanding is not perfect, but supposedly they will still act on these 'impulses' even if getting the injections every three months.

So, to think that this will solve the problem may not be taking the full pathology into consideration.

I think someone said that this approach (without counseling?) can turn some perps to violence.

So it seems the only prudent solution involves a second conviction (to assure it's not a mistaken identity or error) and then life incarceration.

We lock up wild animals. Just because a Grizzly bear or a Wolf exhibits good behavior, they are not safe to release into the society.

At the very least we need oversight boards, penalties for any board that releases a perp in error or fails to notify the police, and a system for lifetime incarceration or electronic monitoring and home confinement.

As one poster said above, these heinous indivuduals permeate the power structure, including, I presume parole boards, prisons, counselors, teachers and lawmakers. They are very clever individuals and they take delight, it seems in fooling their shrinks.

In a parallel manner, if a wild animal escapes incarceration we find it and put it down. There's a good case for a mutiple offender to receive similar.

2 cents.

If you go back 100 years in time, how do you think the people in small towns and villages handled child molesters?

Personally, I think that vigilante justice was often the case.

I also don't think that the other towns people made a big deal out of the death of a child molester.

Molest a child and the men of the town would take care that it would never happen again.

Perhaps this will start happening again.

Unfortunately, the murderers, child molesters and other violent criminals are set free because of our "injustice" system while they like to punish the people who don't physically hurt anyone. The only natural thing to do is vigilante justice. Child rapists should be executed publicly to discourage people from doing to.

reply to post by citizen smith



I believe you believe what you've written

however, this is the whitewash that was used to brainwash society into accepting the ludicrously light sentences and often no sentence at all.

It's a fabrication that paedophiles were molested/raped as kids.
It's a myth perpetrated by Frankist lawyers

And it was so novel, it was accepted wholesale ... for a while

But it's not working any longer

Too many paedophiles made a lie out of this 'excuse'

And if you think it through, it's easily blown apart by fact.
More girls are raped and molested by paedophiles than are boys.

Yet there are more male paedophiles than there are female paedophiles.

If it were true that 'most paedophiles were abused as children' .. then there would be more female paedophiles, wouldn't there ? But there are not.

This Frankist propaganda intended to dumb down and con the Sheepies is falling flat on its lying face now.

When a few parole board members are found in the woods .. THEN we'll see a change of policy, and only then. Scum only learns when IT suffers.

while i cant really say a dead pedophile is a bad thing the question is where does it end first pedophiles then rapist the murderers then the guy who cut you off in traffic when comes down to it who has the right to decide who lives and dies

what if he was innocent

reply to post by buddhasystem

Next time a bad thing happens, it's your fault and not only the judge's.

Shame on me?
lol
I did no twisting - your words speak for themselves.

Fault/Blame for pedophile = the pedophile - period.
No excuses.
No blaming another person or a system or the past.
Period.


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while i cant really say a dead pedophile is a bad thing the question is where does it end first pedophiles then rapist the murderers then the guy who cut you off in traffic when comes down to it who has the right to decide who lives and dies

the above post is an example of the inability to compare and contrast. Capital crimes like rape, murder, and child rape and murder are obviously the top of the list of most horrible things a human being can do.

Cuting off someone in traffic is at worst a mild irritance. However, people are murdered as a result of it in road rage, so it is not unheard of. that is not somethign you can claim to justify.

When a person destroys an innocent life, or rapes an innocent life, that person has committed the top worst offense a human being can do. Not even close to cutting off someone in traffic. What punishment can you do? there is no punishment good enough.

What you do is take preventive measures to preserve the safety of the community and humanely extinguish the life force of the guilty party. This will permanently solve the problem of that individual.

[edit on 10/10/2008 by DYepes]

He shouldn't have been out in the first place. Paedophiles once convicted should never be released, or should be executed. Their crimes are above any other, it's what they are, and they will always want to satisfy their sexual urges and will not change. It's not worth the risk to give them the chance.

On vigilantes, that's a tough one. If it were my daughter, he wouldn't be strangled in a wood for a start. He wouldn't have got to prison. But anyway. Vigilantes are not the solution, but in some cases like this they are. I'm not saying people should take revenge on all criminals for their crimes, but some are not punishable to the deserved level because our scale of punishment doesn't go to the level of the crime.

You rob a bank, you lose 6 years of your life, around a tenth of your adult life. Let's say all paedophiles got life with no chance of parole, they don't but just say, it's the most we can give them. The crimes committed by paedophiles and the devastating aftermath are far more than ten times armed robbery.

I don't know what the solution is, the courts aren't enough but you can't go round killing people, the law must be upheld for civilised sake. The law then must be changed. I would support capital punishment for, you know the crimes I mean I'm not writing them, in cases where there is no doubt.

I'm probably going to get a few people ruffled there, I don't really care, that's my opinion and you've got yours. But only reply if you have children, don't just say you do if you don't, having children completely changes your outlook on limits and capabilities.


[edit on 10/10/2008 by Sendran]

As the victim of sexual abuse, I approve of these actions.

He had no problem harming children, little, innocent children. He does not deserve leniency of any kind. These men destroy lives, leaving their victims unable to live normally afterward, leaving dead babies and severely injured young children, leaving children with severe mental scars for the rest of their lives.

When these men are let go, this is a sign of the failure of our justice system. I have heard of certain (unknown to me) people taking justice into their own hands and I privately thank god that they do.

Now if only they tortured him before killing him, the way he tortured his victims.

[edit on 10-10-2008 by poisonmekare]

wooo!! The angry mob has reared its head on ATS!

To hell with laws! Let's just all do street justice from now on. You guys seriously scare the crap out of me. That's why I keep myself well armed, and my privacy protected.

How long before people accuse you of being a child abuser, just so the vigilantes kill you? This type of mentality is comparable to the age of the witch hunt.

Justive is Served again, this time in Indiana!
Indiana Father Kills Sex Offender Who Broke Into Home

Police responding to a call from the city's northwest side about 3:20 a.m. found 64-year-old Robert McNally on the hallway floor with his arm around the neck of 52-year-old David T. Meyers, who was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police spokesman Sgt. Matthew Mount said Meyers had a heart condition and may have had a heart attack. An autopsy was planned.

Police said Meyers was naked except for a mask and latex gloves and had entered the home through a window near the girl's bedroom with rope, condoms and a knife. He was familiar with the home's layout because it belonged to a relative, police said.

The girl awoke and screamed when she saw the man in her room, police said. The father responded and struggled with the intruder while the girl's mother phoned 911.

Police did not anticipate any charges against McNally.

Meyers had served 10 years in prison for criminal confinement and sexual deviate conduct and was wanted in Boone County for failure to register as a sex offender. He was registered as a sex offender in Marion County.

Well it was not intentional, but good riddance. Please by all means try to explain away this one. This is what the media shuold be reporting more often, real criminals getting their just dues!

reply to post by scientist


Why must vigilantes be idiots? I don't think they'd kill on rumour. This is not rumour, the now rotting corpse was a convicted paedophile.

reply to post by DYepes


Wow, good that the girl was saved!

One worry I have about the OP story is, did he get killed because of what he done, or was it just a couincidence, we have to consider there might be a killer out there that might kill again, but this time not a conficted child abuser but an innocent person?

Just saying, more info is needed.

I just want to make sure you people realise what you are saying here.... you are condoning murder....I'll say it again....murder.

You tell me this paedophile is bad...and then you condone murder...

I used to know someone who was molested when she was about 10...she was absolutely fine. She got over it, the mind is a powerful thing and you cannot go and say every child that is molested will suffer for life because of it.

Now, I am in now way condoning this mans actions.....they are sick, absolutely sick. But I know if I found out someone I knew had killed him I would hand them over to the police...it is murder. No justice can be gained from comitting another crime.


Also, would people please stop using the word paedophile as a tool of hate... please consider this. A boy of 16 sleeps with a girl of 15, a loving couple who know what they are doing. That boy is a paedophile...this man was a child molester. They are different things entirely...

reply to post by Badge01


It's so insidious, this paedophile and child porn evil, that most people would be frightened out of their wits if they knew even half the extent of it.

Don't want to provide too much personal information here, naturally, but suffice to say, I'm personally aware of a female member of the judiciary who herself was involved very recently in research involving organised child porn within a State police department.

The evidence was presented. It was the result of intensive research by several members of her office and ancilliary departments.

And the police and legal heads of the State in question dismissed this large body of overwhelming evidence as 'insufficient'. To ensure total dismissal of the evidence against them and their colleagues and other prominent members of the State's legal fraternity, they discredited not only the evidence but also those who'd presented it. And they got away with it. A senior policeman who'd been found with thousands of child porn photos on his computer walked away a free man with no stain on his record. His lies were accepted. The facts were dismissed.

A prominent female MP was similarly destroyed when she attempted to publicise the rot not only within society but also within the political sphere.
She was portrayed as 'hysterical', as 'fantasising', as 'seeking publicity for herself' etc. These attacks on her credibility and character were sustained. Numerous MPs, police and child-welfare personnel destroyed the MPs career. Worse, they nearly destroyed her. She had devoted herself to ridding society of paedophilia and had expended huge amounts of time and energy to the cause .. to our cause, the public's cause. And she was broken down by those who claim to be the public's 'elected representatives'. She retired from politics a broken woman. Had a heart attack, apparently. And her family was stricken by tragedy which I'm not convinced was the result of ordinary misfortune.

Child porn is unimaginably lucrative. Not hard to see why. Scum learn to operate a video camera. Children are everywhere. Paedophiles don't even ask to be paid to 'perform'. And now you have a child porn movie. Purveyors of child porn will claim they can't afford to pay their mortgage payments .. but they'll find money for a child porn video.

Paedophiles are being 'created'. If people realised the truly staggering monies made from child porn, they would be forced to the realisation that many 'respectable' people in our own communities have become purveyors of child porn, for only if so could the huge amounts of child-porn profits be explained.

In order to protect and grow their 'child porn industry', those behind it have compromised our politicians, clergy, legal fraternity, police force, child-protection people, teachers, etc. These people become 'part of' the sickness. Out of fear their own sickness will be revealed, they protect others in the racket. Blackmail is rife. People die and serve as example to the rest.

Child porn is being 'normalised' .. is being presented as 'harmless, erotic entertainment'. It's gone mainstream. It exists in locked drawers within many 'respectable' family homes. Men with devoted, attractive wives upstairs in bed, choose instead to sit in their den, watching children being violated by adults. The sickness feeds upon itself and becomes an addiction.

We are seeing the final bastion of society being destroyed -- the removal of the final brick in the wall of family-life, which itself is where civilized society begins and ends. Easy divorce was introduced. Then they tried to launch 'children into divorcing their parents'. Drugs played a huge part in the wholesale destruction of families and lives. Drink. Gambling. Enforced entry of children into child-care almost from birth. And now we have husbands and fathers titilating their sick sexual fantasies by watching child porn as their own children sleep a few metres away. And the same bastards are behind all of it. Just run a search on which groups controls child porn. Because you're not allowed to mention their names openly, you see.

By releasing these pathetic perverts into society (usually putting them in taxpayer paid accomodation in close proximity to schools, etc.) they are using the 'drip drip' technique of 'familiarising' people with the fact that the judiciary do NOT consider paedophilia to be a 'serious crime'.

At the moment, the public is resisting this BS and running the paedophiles out of town. But ONLY the paedophiles they know about.

In the UK recently, the government was forced to admit that they had 'lost' approx. 300 released paedophiles. And paedophiles were online, boasting that it was child's play (even when wearing tracking devices) to evade the supposedly 'foolproof' monitoring systems.

MOST paedophiles are male. Which belies the nonsense 'excuse' that paedophiles are created via childhood abuse. Most paedophile victims are girls. If the slick-lawyers' excuse about paedophilia being caused through childhood abuse was true, then there would be ten times more female paedophiles than male. But there are not. This is a male sexual sickness, a predominantly male perversion.

Paedophiles are a poison without boundaries. They take specially-organised 'holidays' in third world countries .. they probably contribute substantially to the income in those countries. They are voracious, using several victims per night or week. They network. They protect each other. And because our politicians and police and legal fraternity allowed themselves to become compromised, they ALSO protect these subhumans.

Children are considered a 'consumer item' now. It's growing out of control. It will destroy society far more effectively than nuclear war. Our world is being destroyed by those who've always sworn to destroy us. Yet those we pay to protect our children are themselves corrupt.

One strangled paedophile makes the headlines. Ten thousand paedophiles read those headlines without a worry in the world.

Killing paedophiles is revenge, states a poster. As if revenge in the circumstances is a bad thing.

Then what is the appropriate reaction to a violated and often murdered small child who was pitted against a much larger, stronger male or even more than one ? What is the appropriate reaction .. acceptance ? Indifference ? Forgiveness ?

Who amongst us has the right to forgive on behalf of the child ?

And what of a parent of a physically, mentally, emotionally destroyed child ? How can that child be 'fixed' ? By more of the same 'experts' who were SO clueless that they stated to a parole board that a paedophile was 'rehabilitated and no danger to society' ?

When that child has massive internal injuries requiring years of surgery .. or perhaps when there is no surgical or other 'fix' and the parent has to see the pain and fear and horror in their child's face, see the broken spirit that again will never be fixed, only patched over -- what does the parent feel ? What horrifying images live in the parent's head, 24/7 ? What sort of guilt does the parent suffer for not being there to stop it .. even if there was NO way to prevent it ? Can the child ever enjoy a normal loving relationship, a sex life ? Can the parent ?

And then the parent learns the paedophile has been released. Catharsis ! Kill the bastard ! A hope perhaps of rewriting history .. making it 'never have happened' ? Or perhaps a way of ensuring no OTHER child ever has to suffer at the animal's hands. And revenge .. a life for a life. For surely the lives of the child and its parents and siblings have been destroyed as surely as if they'd been fed slow poison ?

Strangling was humane, under the circumstances.

And what was strangled was not human. Not human as we consider humans to be.

But the poison has to be strangled at the roots. The creators of child porn have to be tossed into the woods also. That's the only way it can be. We pay for The Law. But The Law is not serving us or ours.

It's time The Law and all the scum it protects, learns that WE .. and not It .. are in control and OUR will shall be done. The Law is paid to work FOR us, not against us and ours.

And The Law and the scum will not learn that until THEY suffer. And suffer. And suffer. They're so used to doing as they please, that they're not going to learn without a lot of resistance. So we have to be up to the task, and committed to our cause.

After all, it's not much to ask .. we just want our children to enjoy their childhood. We shelter and feed and nurture our children. We do most of the job. We're not asking for a great deal .. only for The Law to do its job and keep our kids safe during the time we cannot, for whatever reason, be right there holding our kids' hands.

And if The Law isn't able to do the job for which it's paid .. then we'll do that as well. WE will become the Law. And the lawmakers better start running for their lives. Because the mood now is one of total intolerance for paedophiles and all those who protect them.

Originally posted by silo13
The only crime I feel vigilantism is justified?
Pedophilia - and anything attached to child porn rings, pimping out children, child sex slaves, etc.
Hunt down the offenders and kill them.
Just keep the parents out of committing the murder.
Those kids need their parents at home and not serving time.
But vigilantism in the case where pedophiles have gotten off with a slap on the wrist.
Where do I sign up?

Do I think vigilantism will stop pedophilia in general?
Nope, and obviously neither does the system we have now.

The difference between the vigilante way and the governments way?
Pedophiles don’t get a second chance with vigilantes. Amen.

Do I think it will save another child's life - killing the pedophile?
Yep - And that’s all the justification I need, for me, to sleep well at night.



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I agree but it will never happen because then you will have killed about 90% of the leaders and luminaries in this world from all positions and walks of life.

It will be nice though because everything that's wrong with the world began when that first authority figured abused that first child

I have NO PROBLEM with this douche getting what is coming to him...but...before we jump on the vigilante train,do we NOT take a step back,and think for just a second... ...What do we do in 50+ yrs when we have a whole range of "once vigilante" and NOW "crazie" people amongst us?,some able to "handle" what they have done,and some maybe UN able to deal with it...I dunno,Im just sayin...:-/...

I am all for this.. But one thing we have to make sure of is this.
WE have the right guy!! And there can be no question if someone did this or not.
If I knew 100% that a guy had molested my little neice or someone I knew in my family.. I would take it into my own hands. 100% I wouldnt even think 2 times about it.
I would be sure that this SOB go what was comming to him!

I know some of you will have a heart for this sicko, and defend him.
I just ask you to put yourself in the shoes of the victum for one moment.

What if this was one of your kids who where molested?
I bet you would have done the same thing.
And if you wouldnt, well I would have to question your honor and how much you truely care about those you love.

NO ONE, will ever mess with children like that under my watch..
Ive been threw this.. and I know what it feels like to see the man who molested you walk free, and smile while he walking..

reply to post by StevenDye

you are condoning murder....I'll say it again....murder.

Why repeat yourself - you made it clear the first time.
I agree.
It's murder.
You bet'cha.

You tell me this paedophile is bad...and then you condone murder...

Yep 100% in fact.
You’re a child molester and someone finds out proof about it, you should be dead.
No greater deed could be done than to save the life and innocence of a child.
Should I repeat that or did you get it the first time?

I used to know someone who was molested when she was about 10...she was absolutely fine.

NO CHILD who is molested is ever *absolutely fine*.
Such ignorance is appalling.

Also, would people please stop using the word pedophile as a tool of hate

Pedophilia is an act of hate.
The word used as a tool of hate fits just fine.
Perfectly in fact!


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reply to post by Rory27


Personally, I do not believe that the man who killed the paedophile will go crazy. He'll be a changed person, for sure. But crazy ? If he's the parent of a child victim, he'll be holding himself together for the sake of the child.

Men came home from war having killed. Did they all go crazy? Or did they get on with working and raising their children and go on to become caring grandfathers and members of their community ? We call them 'heroes'.

Paedophiles have thrown down the gauntlet, as have those within the legal and political fields who've tossed children into the 'too hard' basket. And that's what they've done. They sentence white-collar criminals to decades in jail. But crimes against children .. vile crimes .. are not considered 'serious' crimes. So right there, we have the judiciary placing FAR more value on money and property than on children's lives.

THEY have thrown down the gauntlet. Have smacked children and their parents in the face.

THEY created this war .. the war of decency against filth.

So those who fight in this war on the side of decency are not going to go any more .. and perhaps far LESS 'crazy' ... than those who took up a rifle and killed total strangers for no better reason than a politically motivated war against people of another flag.

A war in defence of children is far more noble, in my opinion, than a war against people of another land.

And if it comes to having to choose between 'crazy' people and paedophiles .. give me the crazies any time.