Convicted paedophile found strangled and dumped in woods

reply to post by CA_Orot


So someone suffering from kleptomania should be locked up, because they will repeatedly steal again and again?

Paedophilia is exactly the same, only instead of stealing it's a lot worse.

My point is paedophiles should be treated, while removed from society, until they are ready to return (if they are ever ready to return).

Surely we can all agree it would be better to cure paedophilia before a paedophile ever lays a finger on a kid, than to wait for them to do it and then lynch them in a forest.

reply to post by dave420


I do believe, that I did not touch on the subject of Kleptomania. Perhaps I should double check my post? I did address the issue of Pedophileia - which I believe - is the topic at hand.

The severity of Kleptomania with regards to Pedophileia is significantly different. Children are traumatized from abuse, and THAT is what my problem is. Children suffer the consequences, victims suffer the consequences. There are people who spend their whole lives trying to figure themselves out because of stuff like this - it is unacceptable. End of Story.

I personally don't believe they can be cured, perhaps they can, but I don't believe this is possible. If they CAN be cured, then it would be better to have them treated rather then murdered in a bush somewhere, I will agree with you there.

- Carrot

reply to post by CA_Orot


I was merely giving an analogy that is less emotionally-charged, that's all.

And yes, I'm of the belief that it can be treated, or until we prove definitively that it can't, we owe it to society to try.

If we keep threatening paedophiles with forest lynching, they will never come forward for treatment, and the kids will keep being molested. That is what I find abhorrent.

Originally posted by Sanctum1972
Therefore, you must be another religious nut labeled for persecution.

no I wouldn't, just someone who thinks people acting all smart arse to excuse weak sentences for kiddie fiddlers need to be pilloried

[edit on 14-10-2008 by blueorder]

Originally posted by dave420

It only demonises sufferers of mental illnesses to people who are willing to believe mental illnesses can't do some really screwed-up things to people.

by the way, your inclusion of the term "demonising" when discussing paedophiles is laughable, hence I bandied it back.

Of course demonisation of paedophiles should occur, I think it is a POSITIVE for society that they are represeneted as evil- raping kids is inherently evil- I dont consider it a mental illness unless you consider every crime to be a condition of mental illness (whether driven by lust, hatred, greed whatever)

It is a mental illness. By every single definition it is a mental illness. It doesn't demonise anyone - in fact quite the opposite - it elevates the currently-demonised (paedophiles) to the realms of 'mentally ill'.

anyone wishing to "elevate" paedophiles, is, I suggest someone with a rather messed up moral compass

Conflating the two, as you seem to be wanting to do, is not logical in the slightest. Objectivity - it's what people use to make things better. You seem to be using irrational knee-jerk reactions to justify your horrific beliefs about ill people. Nice.

Elevating paedophiles- NICE

As a Nation of laws, there is no way I can condone this type of behavior. Would I do the same if put in this poor fathers shoes? probably not but who knows? Anger can turn a good man into a murderer. There are many in prison because of this.
I was raped as a child, I was going to get even when I became an adult. I never told anyone until my late adulthood. By the time I reached the age for revenge I decided that prison was not the place for me and if he was still raping kid he would get caught. He went to prison for manufacturing and trafficing Methamphetamine and got 15 yrs.
My revenge tasted sweet.

reply to post by dave420


You can't cure pedophilia. Today everything is a mental illness. Just another cop out and not taking responsibility for one's actions. "I was sick, I couldn't help it". Bah. I call BS. Why is our society so dead set on protecting the criminals? I will tell you why. It is because no one wants to take responsibility for their mistakes. Society wants to do as it pleases, when it pleases with no remorse and no punishment for it's wrong doings.

Originally posted by Daz3d-n-Confus3d
reply to post by dave420

 

You can't cure pedophilia. Today everything is a mental illness. Just another cop out and not taking responsibility for one's actions. "I was sick, I couldn't help it". Bah. I call BS. Why is our society so dead set on protecting the criminals? I will tell you why. It is because no one wants to take responsibility for their mistakes. Society wants to do as it pleases, when it pleases with no remorse and no punishment for it's wrong doings.

bang on the money, every single paedophile took a conscious choice to do what they did, no amount of "elevating" them will get away from it- whether they are inherently evil, incapable of desisting from their depraved urges, whatever, they should receive the harshest of punishments

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by Sanctum1972
Therefore, you must be another religious nut labeled for persecution.

no I wouldn't, just someone who thinks people acting all smart arse to excuse weak sentences for kiddie fiddlers need to be pilloried

[edit on 14-10-2008 by blueorder]

If you still think you have hatred for pedophiles while you speak like a Brit (you said arse), please go ahead sign up for military duty, go to Basic Training, ask for an assignment in Iraq 'cuz there's probably more of them there.

Let out your hatred and anger and go shoot 'em.

But wait. How long do you think you'll last in urban warfare with your attitude?

I'll give you a hint: It's less than 5 seconds the moment you step foot there in sight of snipers trained to kill ignorant folks like you.

I can tell you now. If a convicted pedophile ever walked down the streets of our town. He wont be walking for long. These people are sickos and need to be dealt with accordingly, and if the public dont believe he received a strong enough sentence, let the public be the sentence givers.
These children are our future. It only takes 1 person to completely screw up so many lives, both teh childrens and the families. We need justice

Originally posted by Sanctum1972

If you still think you have hatred for pedophiles

I don't "think", I know I have hatred for men who bugger kids

while you speak like a Brit (you said arse), please go ahead sign up for military duty, go to Basic Training, ask for an assignment in Iraq 'cuz there's probably more of them there.

more paedos in Iraq? Quite possibly, however I am a married man in my mid 30s with a kid, what in the name of frig would I want to leave them to travel to some Muslim hell hole- let them deal with their paedos as they see fit, it is not my land

Let out your hatred and anger and go shoot 'em.

Leave Iraq to the IRaqis

But wait. How long do you think you'll last in urban warfare with your attitude?

yeah, a liberal attitude helps you survive war! Good stuff are you a comedian?

I'll give you a hint: It's less than 5 seconds the moment you step foot there in sight of snipers trained to kill ignorant folks like you.

So let me get this straight, Iraqi islamic terrorists, now have a sniper rifle that can assess whether someone hates paedos, and on that basis, kill someone quicker than if they don't- WOW that is SOME technology!

Reminds me of a sick joke, i saw once told by a class mate at school.

Man and girl are walking into some woods late one night, when the girl looks up and says "Im scared", the man turned to the girl and replies "you think youre scared, ill be coming back through the woods on my own"

It looks like the vigilante(s) took thier revenge in much the same way upon the pedophile.
Is that Karma?

Originally posted by blueorder
are you a comedian?

So let me get this straight, Iraqi islamic terrorists, now have a sniper rifle that can assess whether someone hates paedos, and on that basis, kill someone quicker than if they don't- WOW that is SOME technology!

I sure am The Comedian. Ever read The Watchmen? You could learn a thing or two from it.

As for Sniper rifles assessing someone hating paedos. Yes, only available in the Middle East and not in the USA. You have to go and get that tech yourself.

I don't care if you hate paedos, the point is your lust for revenge is sheer stupidity. You seek vengeance upon someone you don't even know personally. And no, I'm not a liberal.

So, if you want to kill pedos yourself, go ahead. And I'll cheer for your execution.

How would you like that?

Originally posted by Sanctum1972

I sure am The Comedian. Ever read The Watchmen? You could learn a thing or two from it.

Ill be sure just to take your word on that

As for Sniper rifles assessing someone hating paedos. Yes, only available in the Middle East and not in the USA. You have to go and get that tech yourself.

sounds ace lad

I don't care if you hate paedos, the point is your lust for revenge is sheer stupidity. You seek vengeance upon someone you don't even know personally. And no, I'm not a liberal.

One of the things we require as a society is effective justice, otherwise mob justice happens, good luck with your anarcho society in some wilderness

So, if you want to kill pedos yourself, go ahead. And I'll cheer for your execution.

How would you like that?

Cheer for anything you want, how do you like that?

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by Sanctum1972

I sure am The Comedian. Ever read The Watchmen? You could learn a thing or two from it.

Ill be sure just to take your word on that

As for Sniper rifles assessing someone hating paedos. Yes, only available in the Middle East and not in the USA. You have to go and get that tech yourself.

sounds ace lad

I don't care if you hate paedos, the point is your lust for revenge is sheer stupidity. You seek vengeance upon someone you don't even know personally. And no, I'm not a liberal.

One of the things we require as a society is effective justice, otherwise mob justice happens, good luck with your anarcho society in some wilderness

So, if you want to kill pedos yourself, go ahead. And I'll cheer for your execution.

How would you like that?

Cheer for anything you want, how do you like that?

Like I said, go read The Watchmen. And look up the author Alan Moore. I was'nt joking about The Watchmen. And if this book is not your intellectual cup of tea, go buy Marvel's The Punisher and read it. I warn you though. The violence may be too much for you to handle and the storyline probably too insulting for your intelligence.

As for anarcho society, it's already here if you did'nt notice.

I can cheer for anything I want, absolutely especially the day when ignorance and bigotry dies with you. You don't get it. This is not the Wild West anymore. The world is corporate run and the oligarchs don't care if you cry a river about no justice. They are those you should be going after, not with just pedos, thieves, etc. If you had tried your own justice in your hands, you're already dead in the hands of the oligarchs.

They own your life already. The days of playing Sheriff is over. You are nothing but a bigot. In fact, why don't you go to a costume store, dress like Batman and go in the streets and kill a criminal yourself.

If you're teaching your kid(s) to hate and kill, you just wasted your life away in this manner. God can't hear you go 'boo effin' hoo' about no justice. And that's why mixing religious justice with actual State-run justice is dangerous. You're sadly mistaken if you think mixing those two are the way to go.


[edit on 15-10-2008 by Sanctum1972]

Originally posted by Sanctum1972
Like I said, go read The Watchmen. And look up the author Alan Moore. I was'nt joking about The Watchmen. And if this book is not your intellectual cup of tea, go buy Marvel's The Punisher and read it. I warn you though. The violence may be too much for you to handle and the storyline probably too insulting for your intelligence.

don't underestimate others from behind your keyboard friend

As for anarcho society, it's already here if you did'nt notice.

yeah laddo, swampy rocks

I can cheer for anything I want

yeah, and how do you LIKE THAT?

, absolutely especially the day when ignorance and bigotry dies with you.

I shall drink a glass of merlot over your passing too and perhaps play some Kinks record- and you can be assured that although I disagree with your assessment of someone being a bigot because they want firm justice for kiddie f***ers, you can be assured that bigotry will live on- think I'll make that two glasses

You don't get it. This is not the Wild West anymore. The world is corporate run and the oligarchs don't care if you cry a river about no justice. They are those you should be going after, not with just pedos, thieves, etc. If you had tried your own justice in your hands, you're already dead in the hands of the oligarchs.

yes yes, and your tin foil hat suits you sir

They own your life already. The days of playing Sheriff is over. You are nothing but a bigot. In fact, why don't you go to a costume store, dress like Batman and go in the streets and kill a criminal yourself.

Or I could live in a society where the state does that, as used to happen, you stick to your wee comic books , I think you are probably a serious comic book collector, Im not wrong am I

If you're teaching your kid(s) to hate and kill, you just wasted your life away in this manner.

you pervert meanings, Ill teach my kids to hate those who would molest them, and drink a glass of wine over sad little men with their comic books as they pass

God can't hear you go 'boo effin' hoo' about no justice. And that's why mixing religious justice with actual State-run justice is dangerous. You're sadly mistaken if you think mixing those two are the way to go.
[edit on 15-10-2008 by Sanctum1972]

nobody mentioned religion, now back to the Beano with you!

[edit on 15-10-2008 by blueorder]

All insults aside gentlemen... You are just going to have to agree to disagree on this particular topic - as there is no way in swaying either opinion one way or another...

I just pose one question to Sanctum.....

What if it was your child...and what if that man was the man who assualted him or her, would you still hold the same position? Would you stand idly by as the courts granted a sentence (that perhaps you don't necessarily agree with), and how would you feel on the day that they were released from prison...? Would you feel that his debt to society was paid, and that justice was served for your child?

Just a question..

- Carrot

Punishment must closley fit the crime convicted for or the public will begin to take matters into their own hands.
You can argue to and fro about whether this is right or wrong, and in the final curtain call, a sick man is dead not ever to offend again.
That is the result, he will not ever offend again.
This is a good thing.
It might be that the end justifies the means, and sometimes the low road will take you places the high road can not and will not.
Sexually abusing children is a terrible crime to commit.
Children's trust is never misplaced it is just abused.
So without attempting to convince anyone of the morality involved, if it ever happens to one of my children, including nephews, nieces, cousins I will act like the hero in one of Grishams novels "A Time To Kill"

The strangulation of this Pedophile seems like justice and revenge gone to extremes. However, as a Christian and follower of Jesus Christ, I say that this was a simple act of murder! The punishment doesn't fit the crime! So, what are we to do as a "Society under the rule of Law"?

Let's change the rules. Elect judges and representatives who will pass laws that prescribe "Death" to various crimes. If molestation deserves death, then enforce the law!

Oh but is just so easy to get pissed off, and take some poor creepy bastard out and "give him what he deserves"! Right? These no good fags, pedophile, deviant bastards deserve this right? Well, then change the "F...in Law" and excute these cretins!

Not so fast there Tonto! In this society that embraces homosexuality, gay agendas, "It's ok to be Gay" bullspit, we have allowed this to happen to us. So who's fault is it? Yours you dummy! That's who.

The K.K.K has a wonderful history of executions for just being black/aka/Negro. No other reason, except fear of competition,fear of other cultures, fear of "unknown" ways. Should we allow this again??
I don't think so Tim!

Where does lynching stop? Can we include Democrats, maybe, liberals then? How about, then lefties out in California or up in New Yori or New England. How about those nasty "Rednecks" with their mutton/chop hair styles and stupid pick-up trucks? How about those creepy folks what live in Trailers and watch NASCAR and worship The #3. Oh and lastly let's not forget those Zionists(em folks in Isreal) em Christ Killers what hung Jesus? How about them? Hitler tried and Iran wants to do again. Let's just get rid of 'em right????

The oppression of "SHIRIA ISLAMIC LAW" is what lynching is but with a knife to the throat for infidels. And that's everyone who isn't a Muslim? How do you feel now Christian, or Secular Humanists?? Hmmmm. Still want to execute so freely and without any safeguards? I really don't think you want this; as the "LIBERALS" WANT DESPERATLY to bring this kind of "UNJUSTICE" TO AMERICA!

Do the right thing! Fire the judges, change the law, change the punishments and then live in a peaceful society where "death" is culture! Welcome to Iran and Saudi Arabia Sunni and Shiite Islam!
And they still have fags, pedophiles, rapists, homo's, abuse, hate, intolerance, bigotry, uncharitable culture, etc.

I say stiffen the laws, enforce them with without leniency, no parole, constant punishment in prison, and swift justice.

Let God keep the Revenge part of the equation. Just like he commands: Justice and Revenge are Mine. says the Lord Your God.

reply to post by TrustMeImaSalesman


Wow...impressive hate rant. You managed to bash gays, white nationalists, muslims, jews, and liberals all in one VERY offtopic post!

Or was that supposed to be sarcasm? Well I for one would not want to imprison or kill any of those folks, unless of course they raped or hurt one of my own. Crazy huh?

What is crazier still is that you simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND that eccentric people living their own lives and not bothering (by means of violence, rape, robbery, murder, etc..) OTHER people is a whole lot different.

The really sad thing is that this particular story is so VERY RARE! It is sad that so very very few have their own personal standards about what simply will NOT be accepted when it comes to their own families and inner circles. The sad thing is most, for whatever reason, choose to let "strangers" settle even the most intimate of atrocities.


[edit on 15-10-2008 by Sonya610]