Zeitgeist Addendum Released

Also, the biting poverty of 3rd world countries hinders technological development. When we have children around the world starving to death, this is counterproductive to our survival as a whole. Because one of those children that are allowed to die as a result of greed could prevent the cure for cancer, or a new form of space travel, humanities greatest "asset" is our minds, not the color of our skin or the size of our bank accounts.


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LMFAO what the same capitalist society that is currently crumbling under the weight of it's own corruption?

Look up the definition of Communism people. I have quoted it 3 times now in this thread and yet it seems that still more ignorant people choose not to read threads and still think they can project their 'informed' opinion on the rest of us.

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How many people did Stalin kill ? 60m (a conservative estimate)
Mao ? 50m

2 people killed over 100m people.

I don't see capitalism killing anybody.

Originally posted by xsagex
Sigh...

Typical far left socialist propaganda.

I'll take our progressing capitalist society any day over communism.

There is one difference between communism, and a resource based economy. Communism has a ruling elite class and is also based on a monetary system, do not be quick to judge, before understanding.

reply to post by xsagex


OK I am going to post this one more time for the dummies seeing as they obviously cannot do their own research....

From en.wikipedia.org...

Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general.

Communism, in theory, is actually a workable solution when it is not abused or misinterpreted.

The communist movement has attempted to produce a communist society by setting up political parties, which in some cases have become governments. These attempts have never produced a communist society, and have frequently led to totalitarian states.

This is why Communism is seen as an enemy to freedom and the people. Greed and corruption and a misunderstanding of the premise of Communism has altered public perception of what Communism is.

Oh and just FYI...

Originally posted by xsagex
I don't see capitalism killing anybody.

I can think of a certain war going on right now started by your capitalist love-child. In fact I can think of several wars started by your little capitalist friend. How easily you forget the atrocities of your own history in order to get your point across.



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What is money?

www.britishmuseum.org...

szabo.best.vwh.net...

In the late 1990s archaeologist Stanley Ambrose discovered, in the a rock-shelter in the Rift Valley of Kenya, a cache of beads made of ostrich eggshell, blanks, and shell fragments. They are dated using the argon-argon (40Ar/39Ar) ratio to at least 40,000 years old [A98]. Pierced animal teeth have been found in Spain also dating to this time. [W95] Perforated shells have also been recovered from early Paleolithic sites in Lebanon [G95]. Recently regular shells, prepared as strung beads and dating further back still, to 75,000 BP, have been found in Blombos Cave in South Africa.[B04]

The appraisal or value measurement problem is very broad. For humans it comes into play in any system of exchange -- reciprocation of favors, barter, money, credit, employment, or purchase in a market. It is important in extortion, taxation, tribute, and the setting of judicial penalties. It is even important in reciprocal altruism in animals. Consider monkeys exchanging favors -- say pieces of fruit for back scratches. Mutual grooming can remove ticks and fleas that an individual can't see or reach. But just how much grooming versus how many pieces of fruit constitutes a reciprocation that both sides will consider to be "fair", or in other words not a defection?

Is twenty minutes of backscratching worth one piece of fruit or two? And how big a piece?

Nineteenth century economist Carl Menger first described how money evolves naturally and inevitably from a sufficient volume of commodity barter.

I don't have anyting to say,in awe.

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I just watched a video on nwo and overpopulation last week via a thread here on ATS that was very good, one thing it said overpopulation is a myth. That if every one of 6 billion people had 1/4 of an acres, they would take up Australia, and /or part of New Zealand leaving the rest of the world untouched. This was surprising in itself. He said its not that we don't have enough for the current population, its that our world is poorly managed. I don't remember the name of the thread so I don't want to search for it. Lol. Nonetheless, we would have to be intelligent in a resource society and use birth control or get fixed after two children if birth control doesn't work.
Also, as I keep saying this is the technologically upgraded model of how natives have always lived, a similar model was practiced for over 10,000 years in the Americas so it does stand to reason that we actually could opt out of the current system in large numbers and refuse to participate, adopting this instead. Our system may need to crumble a lot more in order for more people to wake up, but those who can pool money in this system may be able to start forerunners to it. Initially after a collapse, even with people being offered this at the right moment, and turning to each other (rather than collapsing in fear, chaos and violence) I imagine it would take some time for everyone to attain a high standard of living. But within a decade of a system like this, the past would look like primitive usuary compared to the future high standards of living. Aside from sharing some of the necessary work for scant hours (ie, technicians would be needed, some attention to agriculture though machines could eventually do a lot, teachers, medicine). Some things would need to be shared on very short schedules, say 5 or so hours a week. But we would contribute from our passions, creativity, clothing, art, music, books, inventions in an opensource manner, like linux does, giving what we have without fear of patents and copyright, and sharing, while others provide as well, taking what we like, for the benefit of enriching all.

You know I was wondering,

"Conspiracy material is a big business, and the only thing that matters is money."

zeitgeistmovieisfake.com...

I did watch most of the first one, but I haven't watched this one,

Trust no one.

no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

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Originally posted by xsagex
Sigh...

Typical far left socialist propaganda.

I'll take our progressing capitalist society any day over communism.

Zietgist did not promote communism; Zietgist advocated complete independence.

We do not have capitalism. If we did the bankers who made bad loans would no longer be bankers. In a capitalist system the people who lost money would not have been rewarded with the wealth and resources of our country. At best they would have been invited to leave and never come back to America. American Capitalism is dead.

We will need to use arts and crafts to turn raw materials into items for barter. Cash will continue to be devalued.

The economies of Mexico and Canada will also be trashed. The people behind the biggest theft in history want complete control of the world. The scoundrels are planning other train robberies right now. Every prosperous country is a target.



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Originally posted by xsagex
reply to post by Kryties

 

I don't see capitalism killing anybody.

Yeah capitalism never hurt a soul!!! What planet are you living on? Civilian deaths re staggering even with our "smart" bombs and i forget but didnt capitalism unleash 2 nuclear bombs on the world killing ad deforming hundreds of thousands.

capitalism is no saint, without corruption a resource based economy would flourish. Call t communism if you want, though we have been drilled to think communism=evil since birth.

I think this movie was great and why can't people just admit it brings up a GREAT point! We need an upheaval of our current system in order or future generation's to enjoy this planet.

If this movie gets people to start discussions on how to do this then job wel done!!

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i don't know about this venus project, but all of this is recycled,

sounds like heaven on earth, where have i heard that before?

I've only watched the first 20min but I remember watching a video on google video about "Money is Debt" about a year ago, I can't recall the name but it's identical to this one.

ah Utopia, what we are all striving for, and what since the beginning of time has proven unattainable .

en.wikipedia.org...

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These people figured out how to set up a self-sustaining resource based society. I guess it works well in small villages like this. The world should be focused on how we canbe more like these people. Thats why they face so much opposition from the governments because they realize if the rest of the world catches on, we wont need money, greed, or capitalism anymore.

Communities like this one, Lammas are popping up all over the world!

Just watched it entirely for the 2nd time.
Excellent movie!

The only thing I disagree with is the method to get there.
IMHO it is going to require a massive worldwide revolt, with bloodshed, death, misery and much more to start moving in the right direction to get the elite off the thrones and take down the corporations and banking institutes.

Unfortunately, I'm sure there are a lot of good hearted, intelligent people out there that are already set in their ways and will NEVER even consider the truths layed out in this film. They would fight the change tooth and nail.

Just my 2 cents.
A damn good film and I hope it follows the original by being #1 viewed on google and other media sites.
My only complaint is that the addendum wasn't presented as flashy and 'entertaining' as the original that caught so many peoples attention.

The venus project is nothing more than cynical joke i used to respect these Zeitgeist films but after time and watching them again you see the same faux hollywood dramatics and sugar coated fabrications it's like watching one of Michael Moores sickly documentaries.

But i suppose they serve there purpose to make people think and question outside the box which is a good thing.

reply to post by SR


The Venus Project was used as a visual example to go along with what the filmmaker was talking about. Jaques Fresco is a famous social engineer whose other professions include architecture. I see every reason to include what he has to say in this film as it is entirely relevant and 'outside the box'.

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Just like I aways say, earth is a beautiful place until you get here, and have to contend with the bugs, lions, tigers, and bears, crop failures, and disease, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes, and floods, or one or two cometary impacts, and each other.

All tribes eventually must have laws and tribal council's and governments, they have to depend on other tribes and bartering.

Humans are frail and subject to human failures,

One or two droughts, and an early frost or crop failure, and we invade the other tribes and eat each other.



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