Bush signs $700 billion financial bailout bill

Originally posted by schrodingers dogSo you think our forefathers would have suggested that it's a good idea for a few random people on a forum to not pay their taxes.

Absolutely!! Every one of them!!

I think they would be overjoyed that there were even that many willing to show their displeasure at our elected representative's unwillingness to vote in the interests of those who selected them to express their voice in the halls of governance in such a direct manner.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Those that can..should do what they can do.

Those that cannot..will have to keep doing what they have to do.

Either way, this cannot be allowed to simply be brushed away and forgotten. Otherwise, it will no longer matter what the people expect of their government.

It is but the first step in their attempt to make it so that the people's choice is one of no choice.

I for one can act and say I refuse to pay any more taxes and I intend to follow up on my decision. That will be my reaction.

And there is enough in this country that can do the same and most likely will do that and it will have a huge impact on their little plan.

Bring forth the call of duty and I will do my duty!!! To preserve our nation as it was meant to be when it was created...for the people, by the people and of the people.

We do have a choice. Which one will you choose?

Cheers!!!!

I'm on disability and don't pay taxes, but I want to do something. This sh*t pisses me off to no end.

reply to post by Bombeni


actually you can take up to 9 exemptions if you don't actually have dependents. But yes, you do have to pay that money back when you file your taxes the next year.

That is why you have to weigh your options. Do you want that extra money at the end of every pay period or at the end of every tax year?

The only other thing you can do if you want to make sure you get extra money every paycheck and not have to pay extra taxes when you file your return is to calculate how many exemptions you can take to break even.

Personally, I like getting the chunk of money every year.

If you claim your max exemptions and DON'T file a return at some point the IRS WILL catch on. Especially if one year you suddenly decide to file a return.

Also, your employer has to send all employee W-2's to the IRS. After a few years someone will catch on and realize that someone hasn't filed a return in years yet they've been claiming all these exemptions. It wont' add up and they will demand you file a return. And you don't even want to THINK about the penalties and late fees you will have to pay for not filing in the respective year(s).

You can't claim exempt on your w-4 unless you aren't expecting to make more than $8,750 (if your single. $17,500 if your married). So right there, when your w-2 gets sent in someone will see that you had nothing withheld yet you made over the limit.

These people are ruthless. Trust me, the IRS is a bunch of bastards. We deal with these people all the time and mostly they are completely incompetent. They are out for nothing more than to take more of your money, even if you don't owe it to them.

I can't tell you how peeved our clients get when they realize the IRS made a huge mistake yet our client just had to pay us buttloads of money to settle the matter. Does the IRS cover those fees? Hellz no! But it was their mistake.



[edit on 3-10-2008 by nunya13]

Originally posted by KaginD
The People are speaking up!! They just read an email on CNN that said this was a blatant slap in the face to the American people and it is time for a REVOLUTION!! CNN actually read this on the air.

I would like to see the clip

No big surprise really, just goes to show how many are bought and paid for. They just crashed and burned there political career as far as I'm concerned assuming the votes will actually be counted. I'm so disgusted right now! The amount of fear mongering and arm twisting that went on behind the scenes was truly unbelievable!

cryptogon.com...

The tax breaks and accounting rule changes for Hollywood were seen as aimed at two Southern California Democrats - Reps. Adam Schiff and Brad Sherman - who voted against the plan. Sherman, who led the defection of a group of Democratic skeptics, insisted he would not be enticed to vote for the rescue plan. “The one thing that’s been proven is the absolute fear-mongering that’s being used to drive us is false,” Sherman said. “I’ve seen members turn to each other and say if we don’t pass this bill, we’re going to have martial law in the United States.”

The Founders must be rolling in their graves - this country is turning into exactly what they feared the most. This administration has been wiping its collective backside on the constitution for years, and this is the just the latest example of the greed and corruption that now rules.

It's scary how the vast majority of the population have no idea what's happening. I know people who are extremely well educated, keep up with current events (to a large degree) and hold very respected jobs; even they have no idea about some of the things this administration has done. I know if I explained it to them they would just look at me like I was on drugs What chance does the rest of the population stand?

Where will it all end?

www.youtube.com...


a good vid for all of us!

[edit on 3-10-2008 by mike dangerously]

Originally posted by pureevil81
reply to post by ag2000

 

i just saw on cnn that things were going up, they must be lying?

well, i guess its obvious, whats one more lie.

It closed around -157. That was a complete drop off as the DOW was slowly climbing all morning. If they said it was going up...THEY LIED. Of course, we shouldn't be surprised by this.

Take care.

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by RFBurns

 

What can they do if you don't pay your required tax on your payroll, and don't file the following year? Do they put a lien on your property, or do they just outright seize it? Anyone know? We need to get the info. here if people are seriously going to embark on this.

The IRS can be really dirty when it comes to getting their money. Some of the ways they will stoop to getting paid:

* Garnish your wages - meaning the majority of your paycheck, whether you file exempt or not, goes straight into the IRS coffer before it his your bank account. They do this in Texas to guys who don't pay their back child support.
* Take your tax return (if you have one) and stimulus check (if you get another one)
* Seize your property and auction it
* Throw you in jail for tax evasion

Tax evasion isn't the way to fight this. Like I said in another post, the way you fight what happened today is at the polls.

On election day, you take the names of those Representatives and Senators up for re-election that are in your district. If they voted "yes" to this bill, you cast a vote for their opponent regardless of party lines. You do this on election day and in 2 years and until the last vestiges of every man and woman that voted for this bill is OUT of Washington, D.C.

Be smart about this, people. Use your power to vote and make it count to clean out the House of Reps and the Senate. We need a fresh start in Congress regardless who becomes President.

reply to post by eradown



Yes, exactly

They want a US version of Tianamen Square

Don't give it to them

Instead, plan ahead, the way they do. Take more interest in politics, beginning at local and State level. Make your politicians work .. for you. Cull the crap at grass roots level. It's the only way you can control what happens at the top.

And hunker down. Be prepared to ride it out. Blow the froth from your life. Make every bit count. Trim the fat. Teach your kids how to live lean and travel light. Watch, listen, learn and keep your kids informed all the way. Raise a smarter generation. Can't change the past .. but can shape the future.

Yep! It's passed and we are " snipped " Now we all know that they are in this for their selves and not us. Those who played a role in this mess were smiling today because they have just been cleared of all wrong doings and helped America get back on track.

They didn't care about this woman.

A 90-year-old Akron, Ohio, woman who shot herself as sheriff's deputies tried to evict her from her foreclosed home became a symbol of the nation's home mortgage crisis Friday.

Source

No bail outs or rescues for the people who are paying for this bill and make the economy work.

[edit on 10/3/2008 by Solarskye]

www.youtube.com...

part 2

[edit on 3-10-2008 by mike dangerously]

Originally posted by Dock6
reply to post by eradown

 

Yes, exactly

They want a US version of Tianamen Square

Don't give it to them

Maybe that's what is needed.

Sometimes it takes a stand to motivate other people.

There will always be martyrs.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Oreyeon


Heh I just faxed a copy of the Declaration of Independence also to all my reps!!!

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
---Thomas Jefferson


I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
---Thomas Jefferson

I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
---Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
---Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
---Thomas Jefferson

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
---Thomas Jefferson


When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
---Thomas Jefferson


This great man is officially rolling in his grave today.






[edit on 3-10-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

Originally posted by subject x

Originally posted by schrodingers dogSo you think our forefathers would have suggested that it's a good idea for a few random people on a forum to not pay their taxes.

Absolutely!! Every one of them!!

I think they would be overjoyed that there were even that many willing to show their displeasure at our elected representative's unwillingness to vote in the interests of those who selected them to express their voice in the halls of governance in such a direct manner.

I see you only quoted the first part of my post.
Allow me to include the whole thing:

So you think our forefathers would have suggested that it's a good idea for a few random people on a forum to not pay their taxes.

Unless you can muster up a few million people to join and arm them as our forefathers were, you are spitting against the wind.

Other than that it's just big talk behind a keyboard.

Exactly!

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Thomas Jefferson was a great man and by far my favorite president of all time. He really understood what America was to be.

Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by Oreyeon

 

Heh I just faxed a copy of the Declaration of Independence also to all my reps!!!

Following suit right now! Also including DD's Jefferson quotes.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!!

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
You know what the really sad part is of all this? Everybody is so pissed off about this now but in just a few short weeks (if it takes that long) nearly everybody will forget about this and how We the People just got screwed today. The American people have an attention span of about 5 minutes and that is the exact reason why the country is in the shape it is in today. And guess what, the politicians know it and that why they don’t give a damn. Nothing is going to change until We the People change and start holding these rotten bastards accountable!

No one will forget about this because this does not solve the problem. As long as people are hurting they will not forget this vote.

reply to post by mike dangerously


none violence will never work and never has