Bush signs $700 billion financial bailout bill

reply to post by sos37


It DOES make sense IF THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKED THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. The issue lies in that when you vote all of those people out, do you really think their replacements are going to be ANY different?

sos, don't take this the wrong way, but I actually DO think that people understand where you're coming from, and you are really being diplomatic here which is indeed noble---BUT---The collective whole have completely lost faith with a totally corrupted system. I understand where you are coming from, but based on what I have seen over the past several years, I don't believe voting has ANY effect at changing this criminality. It is flooded, all the way through from top to bottom.

Originally posted by CuriousFinger
reply to post by mike dangerously

 

none violence will never work and never has

We can muster a massive protest that colud stop DC cold.Violence sholud be the final option but,with the way things are going there will be a revolution coming soon one way or another..

Here's my question. The vote did seem to fall across party lines with Democrats giving it more support than Republicans. But does public opposition fall across the same party lines? I started this thread to try to answer that question.

What is your party affiliation and do you support or oppose the Wall Street Bailout?

I would love to hear you opinion on this one!

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Guy, I feel your pain man, and i DO mean that!

I'm currently unemployed, granted by choice. I quit my job, was a very good job; but why? I wanted to pursue a career in a different path. I had another job lined up where I was planning on attending school AND working full-time.

My mother calls me, my father had recently passed away, and now, it seems she has this "psychological deficit" for lack of a better term. So, I say "sure mom", I foot it all the way back to Jersey to stay with her, meanwhile there are NO JOBS here, and I refuse to leave her to simply further self-serving goals (see I would make a Shi__y politician).

Yes man, I feel your pain, and I'm sorry


AB1

I think We The People should stand up and sue our government, George W. Bush, and "Mr." Paulson. We The People want our money back and the Constitution says we get it back because this bill is unconstitutional and illegal. So, we sue for the money we lost in this Stick-Up bill plus the taxes for this year that you just know they are going to try to make us pay on top of it. Who's in for a class action suit?

none violence will never work and never has

We can muster a massive protest that colud stop DC cold.Violence sholud be the final option but,with the way things are going there will be a revolution coming soon one way or another..
A revolution? In modern America?! Hahahahaha!!!!!

Unless you're talking about some other Americans than the ones we see in the news every other day, lifting not a single finger (or nail) to help fellow man, be it a person lying half dead on a street or a girl getting whalloped in a hamburger resturant (in which case maintaining the line to the hamburgers is of course more important).

Maybe a military revolution. Except they're all abroad.

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Well, here's an idea- Get all protesting organizations together, call your friends, family, colleagues or what else and march up to Washington DC by the millions. Make it viral.

Enough is enough, and it has to end here.

Obviously, voting does not work, the system is the same in all corners you look. Your walking into a dead end soon, and your options are decreasing with the day.

Your call.

There is something we can do right now. We can refuse to support the structure that is destroying us.
Stop spending for anything but the absolute essentials. Cancel all newspaper subscriptions. Cancel your magazine subscriptions. Wear the same clothes to work. Go back to the simpler life. Refuse to pay tribute to those that are causing you pain. Boycott companies like Walmart. Only make trips in your car when absolutely necessary.
When you take away the fuel of your purchases from these despots, you eventually STARVE THEM.
Take to the street in peaceful, lawful protest.
Carry through on your threats to vote all incumbents who voted for this treason out.
If nothing else, new people that are elected will need time to learn how to use lobbyists. Use that time to get them on your side.
Help to establish a REAL THIRD PARTY MOVEMENT, with a goal of getting on every state ballot before the 2012 Presidential elections.

Or, alternately, do nothing. Be resigned to be VICTIMS. Let them control your life.

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System hung, when it came back, the post was up 3 times.

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Originally posted by Unit541

Originally posted by sos37
Seriously, doesn't this make any sense to you guys?

It makes perfect sense. The problem is that the people have lost faith in the concept that our votes determine the outcome of an election. In fact, the '00 and '04 presidential races, in which the candidate who received the majority of the popular vote lost the election, illustrates this point quite eloquently.

According to this site, you're correct about the 2000 election, but in 2004 Bush won the popular vote - 62,028,285 to John Kerry's 59,028,109.

There are 538 electoral college voters, one per senator and reps from each state and three from DC. In 38 of the states, the electoral college voters are required by law to vote for the popular vote winner. I don't know why this law doesn't apply to the other 12 states.

I agree that the system can be flawed when the vote is extremely close as it was in the 2000 election. Congressmen and women should have been lobbying for changes to the electoral congress in these past 8 years to make it fair.



[edit on 3-10-2008 by sos37]

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Thanks for the correction sos, I hate to be wrong, but hate to be wrong and not know it even more. Also, I hope none of my responses to you have been construed as offensive, or taken as a question of your patriotism.

My only problem with total anarchy, not the licence to be an idiot, but the real meaning of the word is that if we the people take matters into our own hands and start a revolution to make the real change in our so called government, then they(the Military and special forces, Police, etc.)will have just cause to defend the statisquo, rather than join in our venture to create a new system. We would end up like all the other 3rd world countries with nut cases hacking us w/ machettes for some rice or the military just doing their job to contain the freaks and mentally ill.

There has to be a way to get every body on the same page and make a stand.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by sos37

 

It DOES make sense IF THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKED THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. The issue lies in that when you vote all of those people out, do you really think their replacements are going to be ANY different?

sos, don't take this the wrong way, but I actually DO think that people understand where you're coming from, and you are really being diplomatic here which is indeed noble---BUT---The collective whole have completely lost faith with a totally corrupted system. I understand where you are coming from, but based on what I have seen over the past several years, I don't believe voting has ANY effect at changing this criminality. It is flooded, all the way through from top to bottom.

I agree with you, which is why I believe that a complete format and reload of the legislative and executive body is necessary. So what I hear you saying is that, despite who America votes for - even if America overwhelmingly wrote in "Ron Paul" on the ballots, you still think a pre-determined winner would come out on top?

And now people understand why we pushed so hard to impeach this administration.

"Oh, they only have six more months left...what can they possibly do?"

You have your answer folks.

Just want to say how proud I am of my congressman for voting against this horrible legislation. I sent him an email thanking him for sticking to his principles and supporting his constituents despite what must have been horrible pressure to conform.

Even though the bill passed, I'm proud of him.

Originally posted by Unit541
reply to post by sos37

 

Thanks for the correction sos, I hate to be wrong, but hate to be wrong and not know it even more. Also, I hope none of my responses to you have been construed as offensive, or taken as a question of your patriotism.

Not at all, I'm not offended, and I'm not trying to be controversial either. I want the same thing that you guys want. I didn't want this bailout any more than the next guy. I emailed my state rep. and still haven't gotten a response (big surprise). I just want us to DO something about our lousy leaders and actually vote them all out of there.

Just was watching CNN and guess where Bush is heading right after he put the final nail in our country's coffin?

For a nice little vacation on his Crawford ranch!

How nice! Finish destroying our country and then head down to Texas to take a week long nap!

WTF is going on????????

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He's hiding.

reply to post by sos37


Sadly enough, and with a very heavy heart, YES.

I don't believe that even writing down our ballots will overcome how the systemic balance is controlled by the billionaire class / central banks right now.

We are in a REALLY bad way in terms of getting out of this through diplomatic and democratic means. Outside of re-establishing an entirely SEPERATE governmental body, this system, as it is currently set up, is going to be next to impossible to change.

*EDIT to add---Your reload idea would be a great first start, if we could be sure that the replacements weren't already "screened" as the previous ones for conformity.



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