Islam: What the West needs to know.

Of course it always boils down to making a choice?!

So what will it be Cake or Death?!

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The struggle for control between Islam and Christianity has not let up since 714 AD. For most of this period, Christianity has been the victor. Were it not for Oil, Islamic countries would make very little contribution to the world. With massive amounts of Oil money funding Islamic interests, Islam is now growing more powerful every day. If the gifts of Western civilization are to be preserved (human rights, parliamentary democracy, individual liberty, freedom of expression, the eradication of slavery, the ideal of gender equality -- these are all part of the Western heritage) then we need a Cato today willing to cry out DELENDA EST ISLAM!

Yep.. the impications of any religions need for TOTAL CONTROL to function "properly" leave much to be desired. Don't get me wrong, I think many Muslim, (for example), traits such as the emphasis on education leave us wanting in terms of cultural maturity. I also have Muslim friends who I have jested with about their faiths requirements, after which discussing them at length, and yet I still fail to understand why any religion, based on arguably infalsifiable evidence, should allow itself to become so self important that it feels responsibe for dictating the like of its followers food intake.

In my opinion to find the truth some people are not allowed to be true to themselves. It must be horrible to be a child and not feel able to mingle with "others" due to semantically blind restrictions placed on them by their forfathers subscription to whatever. I don't want to end up part of a robotic civilisation which allows aversive social trends to develop in the name of religion,freedom,truth or anything that is going to be pointlessly disputed on a mass scale. Lets face it, the elusive process of fragmentation brought on by such "causes" are ultimately responsible for most of the catestrophies shown, (or not), on the news today.

Mr L.C.Furr

All conflicts are about the "gang/territory".

Islam = Nation of Islam

Catholicism = Ye Old Holy Roman Empire

Judaism = Israel & Zionism

The Way = Kingdom of God

Then there are of course the various nation/kingdoms of the planet all dedicated to preserving and enhancing their money/power/etc. Most of these secular nations are whitewashed by one or more of the above "religions".

The only "Way" that lays no claim to any territory on this planet is the KOG. All the rest of the above will do whatever it takes to achieve maximum power for their "citizens".

The KOG is the only Way and the only hope for peace on this planet. All the others will use any means necessary to achieve their goals. The born again citizens of the KOG will never break our one law....... don't blame the problems created by your territorial disputes on the KOG.

Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldn't be delivered to the Jews. But now my Kingdom is not from here."

Ah yes KOG.....but did you not spell it wrong..I believe it should be GROG or is that from the wrong text.
KOG is old news..Kingdom of God..come on dude ...we changed the name a while ago at the last convention...it is now Great Reformers of God or something like that...or was it the beer thing and God..anyhow...


But I do agree on the gang/territory thing. Watch this and see if you will not come over to the Far Side of the Force!

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Again the Old Testement was for tribal and ceremonial causes for a people who did not understand as group. God had to dumb down a bit for them but produced covenants to help open the laws a bit.

The New Testement is for mankind and not just the Jewish people so in the end Jesus done his job by saving Mankind but holding the promises still for the Jews. Remember a lot of the Old tribes were Jewish Adamite bloodlines, some currupted along the way and become enemies, a bit like the Arabs and Jews today, one tribe from Isaac and another from Ishmael (Arabic) and that is where the long historical conflicts come from. God paved way for the Jews so Jesus had a pure Adamite bloodline to form a covenant with his blood. The Devil knew this the fallen Angels knew this and human evil nature was against the Jews, whilst Islam holds on the historical anti-Jewish legacy. Historical bible shows the routes of how evil and conflic has travelled and the battle of Isaac vs Ishmael continues and you are all talking about it now.

A lot of the battles and judgements involves man verses the Angels human hybids known as the Nephelim who lived in the Cannite areas and Gaza strip. History shows the involvement of giants but man covers its findings and the Middle Eastens are known to destroy history that is not Islamic in nature to further Islam and let people live in ignornace.

The Old Jewish empire was from the River Nile of Egypt to the River Tigres in Iraq.



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I'm not going to read all the posts, because ATS is too addicting to me, but I'll stop with your post, A. Mike, because it makes a good point. I don't know a lot about Islam, but if I want to learn more I'll read the Quran (same as Koran?) rather than learn about it here. No offense to ATS or the posters intended.

I think anyone that actually researches Islam will realize that it doesn't simply encompass the entitlement of a religion, but it is a system of legislation, government and state. Simply put, Islam's only true means of thriving will be in the essence of a theocracy. This can easily be reflected upon nations governed under Islamic rule. The current state of these nations prove that Islam does not care to invest in progress or move forward with democracy, civil liberties or human capital. This is why the economic state of the majority of Islamic nations remain very poor, while the .01% elite obtain education, high standards of living and means of power. Islam will be a failure to a free society, always.

I have one beef with Islam.

I no longer hold a grudge in any fashion with Islam, in fact, my thinking and way of practice is really quite similar to theirs. Theres fasting, submission, praying on the floor (important), the concept that its not as simple as "everyone goes to hell who isnt saved by Jesus".

My one problem is that they do not acknowledge the crucifixion. They say that the Romans and Jews had another man that looked like Jesus put up there to die, while Jesus magically escapes to Heaven and flies away into the clouds!

.. lol..

Why not acknowledge it happened? Martyrdom is big time in Islam, look at the Shia, and that holiday when they beat the crap out of themselves bloody in lament over one of their old Imams getting martyred in a civil war.

I wish these kinds of threads, like the political trolling threads, resulted in instant banning (or, I'm not sure if they're instantly banned, but it sounds like the punishment is fairly severe.) The ludicrousness of one religious nut telling another religious nut that their religion is some kind of threat to humanity is astronomical. I've got news for you guys: all religion is a threat to humanity. Quibbling over the differences between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is like debating the merits of red, blue, or green M&Ms.

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Im going to indulge you off topic because i love Eddie Izzard.


I will go with you whiteraven - Will I need a tray? Cake Please.


death star cafe - the best !

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We are all being herded into a ring. To fight someone else's "religious" war. The so-called Global War on Terror, a war with no end in sight, is actually a staged conflict between the monotheists. On one side, the Christians and Jews; on the other, Islam.

But this is not our war. To the great extent that the perennial philosophies of the great spiritual avatars have been perverted into narrowly dogmatic sets of rule and law and POWER, the co-opted religions of the world have con-vinced billions to blindly buy into this modern-day crusade. Like the lawmakers have for thousands of years.

However, it's not really about God! God's above the fray...above top secret, perhaps.

This is about control. About perpetuating the mythology that you, a full-blooded human being, a lord of your thoughts, master of your destiny, must prostrate yourself before somebody else's set of rights and wrongs. Like you can't think for yourself! And, more absurdly, like you can't feel for yourself!

The laziness. The ignorance.

And we've all done it, to some degree. Freely submitted our will, our sovereignty, to someone else's "truth".

So what's the solution? Simply remember that right here, right now, is all there is. There is your "God", your "destiny", your "peace", your "salvation", your "submission", your "kingdom of Heaven"! Right there...wherever you are. And, like it or not, we're all exactly where we're supposed to be. Here. Now.

It's so much less complicated than this ego-fueled world would have us believe.

Arguing about RELIGION is stupid...I mean its like an INVISIBLE FRIEND FOR GROWN UPS...we tell our children there is no such thing as SANTA CLAUS
Its time we all came to the realization that good or evil is a choice we make and we are what we do..NO MORE NO LESS a religion which teaches and promotes DEATH to one who does not agree with its precepts IS BAD..that simple..Christians..have overcome their bloody history it's time Islam did the same.

Christinanity has always been a peaceful religion that teaches peace and harmony. It's the rulers like the old church that abuses the essence of what it is about, so u can't blame the founders themselves for ignorant peoples choices.

However, Islam is a whole different beast. The teachings themselves are a whole different story.

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I am a Muslim and your statement is wrong. The religion is peaceful. Jihad is the only thing that allows violence if needed. It's the only violence allowed this dosen't mean oh well it must mean that muslims can take over the world with wars ect ect. No not true.

jihad is when Muslims see evil they are allowed to fight it. This means anyone killing people for no reason or even war.

Alot of Muslims think the U.S gov is evil for going into Iraq illegally and killing many innocent people this is why some are fighting against the U.S also not that just we are really ticked off for the war in 1997 that the U.S troops were allowed to go in mecca a holy place which only Muslims allowed . the 1st rule of mecca you must be a Muslim to enter. 2nd is that you must be clean meaning you need to wash up before you enter. Then 3rd is no gun fire or fights occur in mecca.

Well the U.S troops took cover in mecca they were dirty like you know they didn't wash up before because they were under fire and then most of them were christian and people were getting killed in the mecca and also some U.S troops were jewish which is the biggest slap on Islam.

So these Muslims are upset with the U.S we don't want to take over any country some just want U.S to pay for that because it was the worst thing you can do to make a Muslim be ticket off.

Islam is a peaceful religion but we do have people that follow it yet they do bad things it doesn't make the religion bad but it's the person.

I got a dvd in the mail I watched it for the heck of it. I saw a preacher saying that ISLAM is the devils work and muslims are the demons we must get rid of these demons to cleanse the earth from any hell rising.
they want the devil to rule the world and make you there slaves then they show CNN footage of dead Americans in Iraq.

I am just saying these are not true.

I also hope you know that we Muslims been in America for a long time and now you just are just concern about the religion since after 9/11..

just think about it if it was True that Muslims wants to take over the world we would of done it by now.

So I am just here to correct this OP. I hope you have a open mind and really think about it.

The only people that believe what the op posted would show that they never met many Muslims.

If you meet Muslims and really get to know many you will find out that it's not the religion it would be just the person.

Just really thing logically. If we wanted to take over the world or be violent then we would of done so way before 9/11.. Islam wasn't born just after 9/11 which some statments I hear that some people think we just came from the sky on 9/11 and start our little holy war or whatever.

Originally posted by MarkAkaSilent
I just had a notion! I know its kinda off topic but i just recently finished watching Stargate season 10 on DVD and noticed how similar the Book of Origin is to the Koran in that it promotes the killing anybody who does not convert. Maybe MGM was told to make up a bad guy similar to Muslims.

Oh man, I never expected to see that anywhere else, but I fully agree 100% - I too found an ironic similarity.

Wow, heh, uncanny. Brilliant obs!

Well spotted

I wish these kinds of threads, like the political trolling threads, resulted in instant banning

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In my opinion the opposite is what is needed. Good open discusion of how we feel and what we know about each other, including politics and religion or else we will just self distruct like a bad relationship.

You know the kind where nodbody talks to each other because it is just too touchy of a subject kind of marrage thing!? lol

Originally posted by computerwiz32
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I am a Muslim and your statement is wrong. The religion is peaceful. Jihad is the only thing that allows violence if needed. It's the only violence allowed this dosen't mean oh well it must mean that muslims can take over the world with wars ect ect. No not true.

jihad is when Muslims see evil they are allowed to fight it. This means anyone killing people for no reason or even war.

You say this but doesn't the Koran say that everything outside of its teachings is evil (meaning unbelievers and infidels). So you must see the majority of the worlds population as evil.

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well religion is full of these activities. In the Bible it states the Jews were told to commit complete genocide against the enemies of Israel, the amalekites. Not just a defence, but total genocide in that all children born and unborn were killed, and not a trace of any genetic line be left intact. So much so that God would punish if the order was not enacted completely and without mercy. So much for a loving forgiving God! genocide has biblical precedents. How ironic is that.

I would think that Islam is the preferred religion of the NWO, it has the most control over it's followers and as the hadith books have shown, new rules to the religion can be added easily, and funnily keeps on receiving more and more media attention. I wouldn't be surprised that if in the next 100 years Islam is the only religion and we must all follow it aimlessly as the current followers do.