My first contact with another being

I just want to say thank you smokingman2006 for letting us join this experince you have.
in some odd way, this whole doomsday story make me feel safe. i belive in the good in humans



iam looking foward too your next post.

When people come to realise that there is a little more to this world than meets the eyes then we will get somewhere.
While I was in switzerland over the weekend I reread Homer's Iliad & The Odyssey and then it dawned on me, that for about 3000 years nothing really happened on this planet and apart from small changes in shipping and medicine we really did not advance very much
Then all of a sudden about 100 years ago we must have grown a brain because then in leaps and bounds we started really advancing am I the only one who thinks this does not make sense?

Or did we get outside help?

I think we had outside help myself, in some form or other, neccesity is the mother of invention as the saying goes. Man invented lightbulbs because he kept gassing himself with gaslights.
Man invented radio for communication instead of wired. But where do these inventions come from? Legend mainly, Crystal balls into TV is one example I always assciocate with inventions.
But as for the last 100 or so years look at the technological advances we have made. Steam powered engines to space flight , computers , medicines. 200 years ago we still had people dying from infections and rickets.
These days technology is self propelling, we want better and smaller, but I think we had a kick start, reverse engineering .
If you found a small like really small wrist computer that worked wouldn't you tinker with it to find out how it works?
Same with the governements , they found crashed alien craft and bodies, and reverse engineered them to give us both the benefits in technology, more fuel efficient engines and computers and suchlike but also with the bodies tried to manipulate the DNA to mingle with ours but instead of benefits found it gave us terrible diseases like AIDS, and still the Governments want better biological weapons to wreak havoc on fellow man.
Good luck all in the coming events and the next few years, may god (in whatever form you choose to believe) have mercy on us all left remaining on mother Earth.

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While I was in switzerland over the weekend I reread Homer's Iliad & The Odyssey and then it dawned on me, that for about 3000 years nothing really happened on this planet and apart from small changes in shipping and medicine we really did not advance very much

Why would those two classical pieces bring you to that bizarre conclusion? We haven't advanced in 3000 years? I suggest you read more than Homer if you want to wax lyrical about the ancient world and its supposed faults.

Read about the Romans, and how their innovative capabilities are still felt today; they introduced a european wide network of roads, aqueducts to supply water to the remotest areas (some of which are still standing); they produced a form of concrete that in parts is still extant; they had deduced that insulated glazing kept their baths warm (yes, double glazing); they had showers, central heating and sanitation. They had a form of fire engines for their larger cities; they utilised hydraulic mining, built lighthouses and water-powered stone mills. Heck they apparently even invented the book as we recognise it.

And I haven't even started on their scientific and medical advances.

Try this for the inventions that came in the following centuries:

The period saw major technological advances, including the adoption of gunpowder and the astrolabe, the invention of spectacles, and greatly improved water mills, building techniques, agriculture in general, clocks, and ships. The latter advances made possible the dawn of the Age of Exploration. The development of water mills was impressive, and extended from agriculture to sawmills both for timber and stone, probably derived from Roman technology and Arabic technology.

en.wikipedia.org...

Try artesian wells, blast furnaces, horseshoes, mechanical clocks, paper for goodness sake, the spinning wheel and watermarks to prevent counterfeiting. And they're just a few examples.

Shall I carry on with the inventions from the Arab world? Their numerous discoveries such as water purification and distillation, or their knowledge of acids and chemicals. What about coffee? Theirs. Restaurants? Theirs.

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I wont even bother to list the impact the far east has had on our modern world. Look it up for your self. We, as species, have advanced with each and every century since the events recounted in the books you read.

With such sweeping, psuedo philosophical, poorly conceived statements such as you've made, is it any wonder you're recieving so much criticism?

Beamish

If you really believe you last post, you need help.

But then again you are most likely of of those people who think that nothing is afoot at the moment and good old papa Bush will bail you out again

wake up before it all come crashing down and the only thing your overused credit card is good for is a pick-lock
Merkets are crashing as never before just today another 5 major banks have gone under.

are you really that distracted? by the system

and that dancing dog of yours is a pain too

PS do you even have the slighest idea how people lived 3000 years ago have you ever read a book in your life about that period?
Or are you one of these armchair dictator?

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[edit on 29-9-2008 by smokingman2006]

Nay, no outside help. Why ask this in this context anyway?

Even ancient Romans were already quite handy. They built aqueducts that required very precise engineering abilities. They could build tall apartment buildings (only their laws prevented them to make them over 5 floors tall) and had advanced cities. They were experts in hydraulic mining. We have built our culture on the work of ancient philosophers and mathematicians.

Some important inventions:

*Printing with movable type, invented around 1440. Information could be passed faster than ever. Made possible all kind textbooks and education.

*Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, published in 1687 by Isaac Newton. Humankind started to realize the laws of physics. Do you really think aliens helped him?

*Steam engine, invented in 1698. Kind of simple invention if you think about it.

*Electricity was invented already in 1600, but first electric motor was built two hundred years later.

Why think that aliens had actually CRASH their spaceship on Earth? They must be incredibly smart, their ships just wouldn't crash, not without a purpose. They could have given away their technology by other means. And hey, their ships wouldn't use fossil fuels, so no optimization methods for our car engines.

Give all the inventors & geniouses the credit they deserve rather than say that knowledge was given by aliens (kinda same as saying God did it). Inventions are similar to evolution. New invention uses previous knowledge as building blocks. New inventions don't come like creationists say that the human was created by God, instantly. All is evolution. Ever seen pictures of the first computers? They were huge and they required their own BUILDINGS to be built for them.

Our species is about 200 000 years old. It's amazing that WE are witnessing the moment that humankind is actually getting somewhere. Even when this path of development can lead to our own destruction. But this is where we are now. There could be extraterrestials that have mind boggling societies and there could be more spiritual realm that we are not aware of. But there should be evidence before taking these seriously into consideration.

Currently it seems there is nothing in Smokingman2006's story that could be comfirmed. Why don't give away the information what will happen in next 10 days? Can you think about anything that could be confirmed or was new information?

Our world wouldn't end in the major economic crash. That is the least worry now if you consider your vision. I think you should be arming yourself and stacking food in your underground base. Because if things get as bad as you told, you would need your automatic rifle, clean water and plenty of food. Smokingman2006, are you preparing yourself for your vision?

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He won't tell you anything about his so-called prediction, since he is making it up as he goes along. I have no clue as to why these people make predictions to go along with thier stories...it never comes true and thier whole fairy take falls apart.

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Isn't it typical that when the game becomes serious then the slurs begin? Oh well, when in Rome...

If you really believe you last post, you need help.

Help with what? Be specific. I've pointed out exactly where your poor arguments and uninformed claims fail.
Where do mine?
I have stuck to known facts; I believe you're regurgitating data you've read in Sitchin and the like and spout it as if its revealed knowledge. Prove to me that you haven't and give us something from your "contact" that'll prove me wrong.

But then again you are most likely of of those people who think that nothing is afoot at the moment and good old papa Bush will bail you out again

I don't know if you've noticed, but under my avatar (more on that later),
it says baile atha cliath.
That ain't in Nebrasca.
Its Irish for Dublin.

And I don't believe President Bush will bail me out any more than I believe this whole economic collapse will bring down civilisation as we know it. Manufactured it may well be, but it won't crush thousands of years of our society. We've been through recessions before you know?

wake up before it all come crashing down and the only thing your overused credit card is good for is a pick-lock

I can't vouch for yours, but my credit card is always paid off before I incur interest. I can balance my books very well, thank you.

are you really that distracted? by the system

No. Are you? I am a realist who has a belief in the extraordinary, therefore I cover all eventualities. Nothing surprises me.

and that dancing dog of yours is a pain too

So, in saying that, you're inferring I'm a pain too?
Good.
I'm glad a continued and logical approach to your outlandish claims has stirred the nest. And can I just point out that your reaction to me voicing my opinions to your claims, which I'm perfectly entitled to do considering this is an open forum, has obviously rattled you. This is worrying.

As you are a representative of my species, (an unelected and unproven one, by the way. Do Pleiadians not follow democracy?) I would expect a more refined and reserved rejoinder.
For you to resort to petty insults in reponse to accusations is a bizarre form of riposte. I would want, nay expect and demand any envoy of the human race to be dignified and elegant in their arguement. No matter what faces them.

And if you don't like my little puppy then don't look at it.

PS do you even have the slighest idea how people lived 3000 years ago have you ever read a book in your life about that period?
Or are you one of these armchair dictator?

Actually, yes, I do have an idea. Your answer comes across as if I've surprised you about our ancestral capabilities.

For your information: I took Classical Studies as one of the subjects for my exams. Appraising The Iliad with a rather wild and enthusiastic teacher is one of the more endearing memories from my schooldays. He instilled in me a love of the ancient world.
Subsequently, I've read Tacitus and found him to be intriguing, and Marcus Aurelius to be enlightening. The paralells in his teachings with Christianity are remarkable.
I've read widely of the Roman Empire. I've studied, through choice, the classical Spartan society in detail. Thermopylae makes me shiver (and I don't believe Leonidas made a poor, tactical decision). Ancient warfare interests me greatly. Where isAlexander buried, by the way?
Herodotus is particularly fascinating, especially in his writings on the more bizarre events of his era.

An armchair dictator? Interesting. Do you mean that I'm trying to enforce my lack of belief in your claims on others?
I object to that.
It's not true.
We all have relevant opinions, and each should be heard. I've heard yours and don't believe them. You've read mine and don't like it. We debate accordingly. That's the way the world works. That's the way ATS works.

Did you not expect to encounter some resistance when you typed your initial post? Or where you anticipating something altogether easier?


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I am rejoining the discussion to make a couple of relevant points.

There are two issues you have raised that are at the heart of this thread's phenomenon, of the utmost importance, and that should be stressed until they are given the proper attention by all who say to be concerned and interested, whatever side you are on:

Your demands for -proof, and
-a "proper", more suitable "ambassador".

In regards to Smokingman's suitability as an envoy, conveyor of "important" information, there are a couple of issues I invite all to take a look at.

The first fact of this matter is that at no time has Smokingman said that he is or will be any such thing.
He has shared and experience which, according to his account, was personal and "involuntary", and his sharing this experience has to do more with the CONTENT rather than the medium by which it took place.

Very few people would be discussing this by now, were it not for the fact that the alarming content of his encounter moved him to action and to share his experience in a public environment, where the merits of it could be discussed. Also, the response that this thread has received, could be a sign that there are more relevant matters than discussing his dialectic abilities.

Without getting too deeply in the psychology of it, an effective ambassador is one that gets the message across.

So far, there have been hundreds, maybe thousands of people that have read at least a part of this thread, and that is already a positive result for those who, like myself, are interested in seeing WHERE THE STORY LEADS, because it is there that you can find more truth that can be meaningful and of relevance, especially when we speak about possible history in the making.

Sadly, though, you and others who profess love for the truth and for the intellectual integrity of the discussion, make a gross oversight by completely ignoring the actual merits of the content and the direction in which the story takes us; you have been in fact, throwing a perfectly healthy baby along with the bathwater.

Smokingman's case is, as some might already know, one of thousands of this sort, and this is what makes it all the more stressing to those who frantically call for proof.
Have you even stopped to actually LISTEN to the message that lies in these stories?
Have you ever seriously considered what would be your reaction to such an experience?
Have you ever stopped just to think?

No matter what anybody says, anyone in this situation would be assailed by all sorts of contradictory emotions, insecurity, and a reasonably well-founded concern for one's own sanity.
It is only after sometime has passed that most people tend to find a way to concretely deal with a traumatic experience in a fruitful way.

Concretely, there are hundreds of people that share similar experiences, and the common thread that unites us is that we KNOW that, putting everything else aside, there is little time to revel about having met aliens, or seeing spaceships, or whatever the particular is.

THE REASON WHY THE CONTACTS TAKE PLACE is the crux of it all, and the real reason these experiences keep us up at night.

Reread my previous posts. Do they sound like the work of someone who is kidding around?
Am I, or Smokingman, or anybody doing this trying to sell you or anybody anything?

As I said once before, it is deep concern for our fellow mankind, and for the disastrous state of things that this warnings are being sounded, and this as all self-inflicted damage, can only be effectively dealt with from WITHIN.

What difference could it make, really, where the warnings come from, if at the end of the day we can avoid a possibly disastrous path?

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I agree that truthfulness is to always be paramount, and that integrity is non-negotiable, but when the issues touch deeply the moral center of people, a wider look is of the essence.

How could it possibly be of relevance if it came out one's head, the mouth of an angel, an alien, the Virgin of the latest miracle, if the information is doing the work that it is supposed to do?

Positive results can speak for themselves, lest we care more about the "merit" of the ambassador than about the message he carries...

Proof... Of what kind? what for?

Would PROOF make it easier to believe that, according to the vast majority of these messages, all we are asking is that wake people wake up, and realize the destructive effects of our "modern" way of life, and to make an effort in kindness and concern for your fellow man?

I too have been contacted, more than once, and unlike Smokingman, I felt called to learn, to study, and have been discreetly, silently calling out from the people I meet a little understanding and compassion for others and ONESELF.

I am an extremely rational and logic-oriented person, as well as a realist.
Because of this I KNOW that I could say the most beautiful and deeply meaningful things, but, if they were preceded by the "I was inspired by a close encounter" phrase, I would immediately lose most of interlocutors, who would then embark, as most here have, on the degree of my lying abilities or lack of mental health.

This is a WHY of the "clandestine" air of the Alien's apparitions.
Consider my previous statement:
ALL SELF-DAMAGING BEHAVIOR CAN ONLY BE HEALED FROM WITHIN.

What good would it be if aliens, or angels, or whatever, came from the heavens in fire and thunder, and helped us correct every wrong humanity has done upon itself?
What good would it do?
What would people learn?
WOULD people learn?
Would the word responsibility mean the same afterward?

Would you run behind your children solving every mess they get themselves into?

This is the point, and one that should not be underestimated.

We are being invited to participate in solving our own problems, to be active, to make a difference.

The means by which this is happening are practically across the board:

World religions (most), aliens, angels, well-meaning people, philosophers, economists, politicians (very few), etc.. FROM ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES WE ARE GETTING THE SAME MESSAGE, worded in way or the other...

WILL we ever be able to listen to good advice, regardless of it source?

Errr let's not turn this thread into a pissing contest.

We really do not know how and what the past civilizations thought except from what little they left us. I say little because you cannot exactly write your feelings and thoughts into the book and hope someone will understand them 1000 years later in the context of your own time.

Also, I am giving smokingman2006 a benefit of a doubt due to the language barrier and so the words he writes in his replies sometimes come across differently than he might have intended them in his mind.

But all that aside, what matters is what he has to say. Those who read it will decide whether to take it to the bank or not. And I think that's the most important part, what the rest of us get from smokingman2006's message.

Naturally some will be skeptical while others will be faithful. It is important to discern the message according to your own personal belief system (Reality Tunnel - RAW) and act accordingly.

If your belief system needs re-adjustment based on the newly acquired information, then proceed to assimilate and adapt, if not then discard. Very simple logic.

As citizenc states above, asking for any kind of proof is pointless and silly because smokingman2006 did not have to come out and tell us diddly-squat. He came here out of his own volition because he was moved by the experience and the information impressed upon him was of such importance that it was worth sharing with other people.

Having said that, I'd still like to know what was this last vision you had smokingman2006?


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this is a good paper on the phenomenon. I suggest people read it....don't just ignore these facts that are in the paper. They offer a different perspective and also give some helpful clues as to waht is really happening.
alien abduction + psychiatrics if you google that then you will get a paper about it. it is the first one on the list that google brings you. Don't ignore it because it goes against your firm beliefs...give it a shot...it might open your eyes. I have read almost every story when it comes to abductions because I looked into every theory there is to this. I did not come to my beliefs overnight.


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Hello,
a very interesting experience you had smokingman. I hope to read more as things progress.

I'm also interested in monoatomic gold, but I have no idea how to make it. If you have more information on acquireing it please post it.

pl.youtube.com...

Peace

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I believe the "Laying of the Hands " awakening is for this purpose..To serve..From my research they will be used when needed, during a great crisis, and disaster..this is the only way they can be used..since for now.. Man puts too much into the "Great Medicines" of Man, and the great doctors, and the great Healing Machines..Herbs are good for Healing, I use them, but they will not be available during the crisis, so the Healers will come forth and do their services..
I have seen their work..One worked on my heart about 1990..He was told to, I did not know I had a Heart problem.

So we are in good hands

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I had cancer in 1993 I was very sick, I went through chemo and the doctors way I was not getting better..I quit going to doctors and I changed to herbs and innerhealing(meditation)..I am still here..

I think you need to Heal thyself, also..another form of healing

These are things we need to know during times of crisis..along with survival techniques..which is the reason for the ET contacts for us to be prepared

The reason Amizarac picked me may have been because of my understanding on how the economics of the world work.

The posters who say we have survived rough times like this before are very naïve to say the least.

The difference between now and 1929 is like chalk and cheese.

Firstly, in 1929 we did not have a “live now, pay later” attitude, and the banks mostly all survived the depression unscathed.

In 1929 we did not have mortgages that outstripped the value of the homes, as it does today.

In 1929 we had no debts on credit cards, as they were not invented then.

The great crash of 1930 mostly affected companies and employment. This alone was enough to cause the great depression.

The problem we face in 2008 is compounded tenfold and will affect almost every household on this planet.

With the banks failing at an alarming rate and the stock markets falling at great speed, this is causing a huge cash problem in an already cash strapped market, which will lead to further falls in the value of housing and the raise in price of essentials, such as food, etc.

Another difference between now and 1930 is the population number, which has more than three folded.

My last vision last week was of a world that is almost rag-tagged, where people are kept busy surviving from day to day.

That vision also made me understand that this situation has been caused by a sinister group to distract us all into concentrating on day-to-day living in fear, and distracting us from the real picture of what is really happening.

To further distract us, crime and violence will soar to unacceptable levels to the point where we will
openhanded welcome military troops to protect our cities and towns. By then most will already be lost.
The people, who fail to recognize the knock-on affects of the financial crisis we are going through,
are either blind or sleeping or too confident in the abilities of their governments.

To the posters, who said I should be getting ready except of spending my time posting, I can do both. I have stocked up on food and water to see us out for months and even have a kilo of gold coins at hand.
When things get real bad, I have scouted a location high up in the Swiss Alps, which should be very secure.

Do people ever wonder why more than half of the wealth of this planet is kept in this small land locked country, or do you think it is just coincidence??

In the coming future a handful of dollars under the mattress may just not cut it.
The Powers To Be know we can't survive on earth in our current numbers for much longer, so an event which could wipe out up to 95 percent of our race is just business to some.

Another interesting thing about history is that it took World War 2 to get us out of the 1930 depression.

Whether all my visions become a reality, I truly hope not. But if they have been put into my head as a warning to mankind in the hope of changing this course, we are on. And if by posting these visions I help in only saving a small group of people, then for me it will all have been worth the effort.

We are at a crossroad that will determine the fate of our race - this I know, and only the awakened ones can make the difference...........

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Thank you citizenc for supplying this thread with an erudite and reasonable response.

Firstly, may I state that I have made no demands of smokingman2006. When I ask for proof, I am simply requesting some corroborative substantiation of extreme claims. I won’t repeat the old adage, but you know what I mean.
Considering he is convening with a representative of a supposed “advanced” society, is it not to be expected that we crave some glimpse of a unique and innovative insight so that we may understand, in some small way how their mind works?
So far, he has only offered data that is readily available here on earth. Yes, this could be viewed as “their” message supplying conformation of this as yet unproven information. But why is the message mired so? This, to my way of thinking, simply indicates how limited the author is in his ability to expand on otherworldly subjects.

And as to him being an ambassador. To quote:

The first fact of this matter is that at no time has Smokingman said that he is or will be any such thing.

He does not have to state that he is. If he was chosen by his “contact” then he automatically becomes a go-between, like it or not. Sometimes responsibility is thrust upon an individual. They either cope, or they crumble. Yet a serious attempt should be made, by that individual, to do their best with this duty.

In my eyes, smokingman2006 came to this forum and told a story in a manner that strongly suggested a need to belong. He has informed us that he is of middle age, a family man, had a very responsible occupation self-employed in the finance markets. Therefore, is it unreasonable to expect a capable account of what happened?
All I read of his encounters are inadequately realized rehashes of already familiar accounts.
I have not criticized his English. I have criticized his lack of punctuation and capitalization. Again, I ask, do the French not punctuate?
His supposed former employ would have, by its very international nature, demanded excellent communication skills. Being bi-lingual, and fluent at that, is a basic prerequisite. How would it not be? Yet, we see a continued lack of grammar in his posts. This, again to me, reeks heavily of a hoaxer assuming a background story designed to add some authority, yet who cannot back up their cover story when confronted.

Without getting too deeply in the psychology of it, an effective ambassador is one that gets the message across.

But he isn’t getting it across successfully and that makes him a poor ambassador. And it’s not just because of the likes of me casting aspersions. I have stated one of my prime objections is that if the “Pleiadians” have utilized smokingman2006 as an envoy, rather than just picked a guy at random, then they made an ill-informed choice. He’s not a natural orator. I asked previously if he has also disseminated this account on any French speaking website. Surely that would negate any language barrier. And again, I still await an answer.

If “they” just pick anyone to convey their message, then I worry at their logic.

He has shared and experience which, according to his account, was personal and "involuntary", and his sharing this experience has to do more with the CONTENT rather than the medium by which it took place.

And therein lays a very important point. The content.

Continued...

Firstly, it’s a given that anyone who starts a thread with similar subject matter as its theme automatically attracts a lot of favorable attention. Mentioning full-on contact is a recipe for a sure fire hit. And because of this, do you not agree the subject is wide open to abuse? Heck, I could do it (if I was that way inclined). The formula is simple: read up, rehash, ignore the doubters. Very few hoaxers can, or will, tilt back at skeptics. It’s easier to wallow in the attention the true-believers lavish. When they do retaliate, it is with sarcasm and aggression.

Secondly, and I have asked this several times over but have yet to receive any answer, so I’ll ask it of you; why do you believe him?

You state you have had a similar experience. By the reflective, rational and earnest manner with which you assert this I am strongly inclined to believe you, and am far more willing to listen to your testimony. It is your sort of balanced approach that will engage me, and not necessarily in an adversarial manner. Indeed, I am not opposing the contact scenario in any way shape or form with my opposition to SM’s claims. I have been a keen Fortean for longer than I care to recall, and simply do not believe we know everything there is to know about this little back-water of existence we inhabit.

However, having a confidence in the reality of the unknown does not blind me to what I consider the malicious, or even the unconscious exploitative aspects of human nature. I will continue to question declarations of import that are devoid of earnestness or dignity because I deem them to be the product of desire and a corollary of private necessity and therefore without consequence.

So it continues to puzzle me how it is that anyone can say they have experienced a similar alien event to those who actually have, and are inevitably believed.

Why?

Sadly, though, you and others who profess love for the truth and for the intellectual integrity of the discussion, make a gross oversight by completely ignoring the actual merits of the content and the direction in which the story takes us; you have been in fact, throwing a perfectly healthy baby along with the bathwater.

I’m not denying that the content duplicated in smokingman2006’s thread may well originate from another species, or that it has serious implications for us as a species! I just do not believe he received them! The uncomfortable embellishments added to enhance his story jar awkwardly. Did you actually read this comment of his regarding the past three thousand years of our civilization?

While I was in switzerland over the weekend I reread Homer's Iliad & The Odyssey and then it dawned on me, that for about 3000 years nothing really happened on this planet and apart from small changes in shipping and medicine we really did not advance very much

Some will state that the amount of information and understanding supplied in hoax threads is in direct relation to the intellectual capacity of the author. Indiscriminate quotes such as that above, in my book, confirm this.

Smokingman's case is, as some might already know, one of thousands of this sort, and this is what makes it all the more stressing to those who frantically call for proof. Have you even stopped to actually LISTEN to the message that lies in these stories?

Yes I have. Once again, I’ll reiterate the fact that I am not adverse to the content.

Continued...

Have you ever seriously considered what would be your reaction to such an experience?

How on earth would anyone know how to react to a meeting with an extraterrestrial? Surely there are no comparative events. Not even meeting a film star would come close.
One can only surmise and presume that your education will stand you in good stead, and that you would put a great store of faith in your ability to rationalize and use the acumen gained in life to see you through the event. Yes, there would be times of great uncertainty. To think there wouldn’t be would be arrogant.

Have you ever stopped just to think?

That’s just the thing. I think constantly.

I think that many people have stood face to face with aliens. And I also think that many wish they had. Unfortunately, some will feel the need to weave falsities and embroider them with fantasy just to be noticed.

Do you deny that humans lie?

What difference could it make, really, where the warnings come from, if at the end of the day we can avoid a possibly disastrous path?

The warnings don’t change because of the messenger. Ok, so does that imply that anyone can make up a story and say they’ve been contacted directly by aliens to relay these communications? Does it not matter, therefore, that the basic integrity of the message is irretrievably adulterated by these hijackers?

I agree that truthfulness is to always be paramount, and that integrity is non-negotiable, but when the issues touch deeply the moral center of people, a wider look is of the essence.

I do not agree. I want an authoritative presence to convey any communication from the stars. Why accept anything less than a successful, capable spokesperson?

How could it possibly be of relevance if it came out one's head, the mouth of an angel, an alien, the Virgin of the latest miracle, if the information is doing the work that it is supposed to do?

Forgive this brief generalization: Consider the current state of the world’s major faiths. Virtually each and every one has splinter groups, factions or creeds that all spout they have the right to spread the word via an authority given from on high. Their preachers and teachers all advocate their own faith. The message they instruct varies only slightly from faction to faction.

Maybe one of them does receive the divine word.

And if it does, that means that each and every other off-shoot has been founded by man and man alone. The fact that this “official” church basks under the gaze of the creator counts for nothing though, as all the other churches still vie, intellectually, philosophically and physically, for dominion amongst themselves.
How many wars have been fought in the name of god? How many deaths? And all because someone wanted and believed they had the right to spread “the word”.

Now, I’m not saying that extreme scenario will happen to this message from the stars. The above is merely an example of how eager man is to gain notoriety and influence over his fellows. Once that starts happening, then the original message is tainted and diluted.

It is not the message that I am criticizing.

It is the messenger.

It is our capacity to produce self-aggrandizing propaganda that I object to.

He didn’t find it difficult to expound on the source of his information, indeed, he seems to relish it. Yet he appears to be incapable of countering the backlash of disbelief.

If his claims are real, then I will be the first to apologize.

Yet, if that improbable event happens, then I will question the “contact’s” logic and their willingness to throw one of its envoys to the lions.

What good would it be if aliens, or angels, or whatever, came from the heavens in fire and thunder, and helped us correct every wrong humanity has done upon itself?...WOULD people learn? Would the word responsibility mean the same afterward?...This is the point, and one that should not be underestimated.

We may well be being invited to participate in a complete paradigm change. Heavens knows it’s overdue.

But, if the processes with which we are to understand this most important of changes are not dispensed to us by the same messengers who bear the original announcements then the impact of the message is totally lost. The whole process will have been in vain, and all we’ll end up with as the sky crashes down (metaphorically) will be new, alien-orientated religions. And that is a process that is a happening already.

To counteract this is simple: the abilities of the messenger have to be able to stimulate and motivate a jaded, cynical world.

Just as the message’s own content demands to be heard, so should they.

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So now our troubles will be an economic one? What happened to this:

I was warned that a very large mass has entered our solor system and as it gets closer to our planet and affect our magnetic field our weather will get wilder with more mega storms and quakes.
this race of Aliens is so corncern about this comming event that it will sent out 12 mothership each able to ferry out 10,000 human to a safe place.