My first contact with another being

reply to post by amigo


amigo...your accounts of your gf's visions kinda...startled me. i don't typically have vivid dreams/dreams i can easily remember. maybe if i'm getting good sleep i can remember longer bits...but for the most part...remembering dreams is prettty rare for me.

when i do actually dream...they tend to be recurring themes/continuations of some themes, even if these dreams can be months or sometimes years apart.

i sometimes have this dream that would take place in a massive urban city on a hilly landscape...with many tall and high skyscrapers. i'll just be in the city and everything is normal...and then BOOM. there's loud explosions everywhere and the ground is shaking. some buildings are tumbling down hard to the ground, some are on fire, and there are people just running around everywhere.

and in every dream...i discover that it's huge machines attacking the city with a lot of heavy...insane weaponry. it's always very comparable to War of the Worlds (tom cruise version) or the new Transformers movie. but then it's also a lot like Cloverfield...in that the attackers are very fast, so they're barely visible. hard to see. they always seem to just be disappearing behind a building or something.

in these dreams i'm always accompanied by a random friend of mine, or my sister....and i always seem to be running through the city trying to find my dad...who is actually taking part in trying to fight these things along with others.

weird times.

very chaotic...and very disturbing after waking up from this.

I've got to dive back in to this thread. I didn't want to, but the more I read of smokingman2006s claims, the more fascinated I become.

Firstly, to put the record straight:

I wholeheartedly believe that there is intelligent life in the Universe other than ours.

I wholeheartedly believe that we have been visited by some of these extraterrestrials, and are still being visited.

I wholeheartedly believe that contact, mass contact, will eventually happen.

I wholeheartedly expect their technology, culture and habits to be suitably different to our own.

I fully expect that Arthur C.Clarke will be right when he stated that any alien technology we encounter will seem to us to be magic.

I hope with all my heart that they bring with them, and utilise, recognisable logical procedures, as if they don't, integration into any form of society they represent will be dificult, if not impossible.

There. That should make it clear enough that I am not a complete skeptic, and that I have considered the subject at length.

So, with that out of the way, permit me to ask a question:

what exactly has convinced so many that smokingman2006's claims are real?

It's a simple request. You can answer in any way you choose, but I will not accept as valid one specific answer: gut feeling.

I gave an overview back several pages. The thing that I'm not convince about is that Kachina, or the binary dwarf sun, has entered our solar system. Currently Sol is going through a period of low activity. If something with the gravitational pull of a dwarf star entered our system, even at the far reaches it would already begin to have an effect on the sun. One thing that should be noted is, that when people are contacted, the visitor is usually working under a protocol, and they often don't tell the truth. There is a very good thread on another forum that deals with lifelong contact with nordic advisor, and that guy has learned to be very cynical about the different stories, and therefore goals of the visitors. I have one theory, that unless this primitive race started to show some signs of helping others and making changes, they wouldn't be able to hand in positive reports to their supervisors and obtain real help. Even without Kachina, or planet X, our planet stands on the brink of destruction. I've read that Jack the Ripper is the standard taught in the universe about our planet. While many are victims of the system, and diamonds in the rough, we need to remove the lampshade of apathy and shine our lights and make some changes in the lives of others. I feel a lot more help would be coming our way, if a lot more people were doing what they could to change things.

reply to post by mystiq


I'm not sure if you are replying to my post mystiq, so forgive if I am wrong in assuming you are. You made some interesting points.

One thing that should be noted is, that when people are contacted, the visitor is usually working under a protocol, and they often don't tell the truth.

If this is true, does it not disturb you? "They" don't tell the truth, therefore they lie to us. To what end would we want to trust, or even listen to any outside force that willingly feeds us with false information?

There is a very good thread on another forum that deals with lifelong contact with nordic advisor, and that guy has learned to be very cynical about the different stories, and therefore goals of the visitors.

Again, if we are to believe that certain folks are interreacting with extraterrestrials, and being lied to as to why "they are here and their motives", am I the only one that finds this really unsettling? I really do not care if they are waiting for us to "ascend" or change our "vibration".

Surely, if we are to do this for the betterment of our species and planet, then we must act upon, and trust the information coming from advanced species as to why we must do it. What other criteria do we have to work with to try and change everything we are?

Why do I keep on thinking Trojan Horse?

I have one theory, that unless this primitive race started to show some signs of helping others and making changes, they wouldn't be able to hand in positive reports to their supervisors and obtain real help.

Firstly, primitive indicates and suggests an elitist and superior standpoint. We aren't primitive; we are still developing. I would object to any advanced species calling us primitive just as much as I imagine any native tribe in Africa or south America would.

And this theory of our apparent lack of empathy and compassion holding us back; can I with all respect disagree?

We humans are a caring species.

It is only a small, uneducated and arrogant fraction of society that refuses to trouble themselves with the welfare of their fellow man. Are we judged as being "primitive" because of this undesirable section? Incredible. What about the billions of good and decent people out there? Do they not count?

I've read that Jack the Ripper is the standard taught in the universe about our planet.

Why is it that most aspects of contact are western-centric? Aren't there any comparable far-eastern serial killers? We have blue-eyed blonde Nordic aliens. The Ashtar Command have a very European looking Jesus as one of their "ascended masters". Everyone from another planet appears to be either white, or a varying shade of. What would the reaction be if some aliens were black, or oriental? Has that ever been recorded? And if not, do you ever question why not?

I feel a lot more help would be coming our way, if a lot more people were doing what they could to change things.

Do you consider smokingman2006 to be one of those who is changing things? If so, how?
To me, a balanced and questioning, free-thinking individual, he comes across as nothing more than a hoaxer. There has been nothing he has relayed in this thread that even in the slightest convinces that he has actually met a "Pleiadian".

Nothing.

I hold the belief that this world, and everything beyond it, is far from close to being understood. We, as a species, experience the most unbelievable things on a regular basis. Most of it could well be as yet unexplained natural phenomena. We will discover the most intimate mysteries of our existence. Heck, we used to hide in caves and cower from the thunder. Now we know what causes it. We used to consider flight and the stars to be the domain of the heavens. Now, I'm pretty darn sure our level of tech would blow the mind of the average medieval scholar.

We're not stupid.

We crave knowledge in all of its forms and absorb everything that can help in this quest. That is how we grow. That is what makes us develop spiritually and technologically. We want to know. We look to the stars and speculate and cogitate on what is out there and how it got there.

Even still, after all our advances, the answer to the most perplexing of questions still evades us: are we alone? There are countless written narratives that toy brilliantly with the concept of contact.
It has enthused many talented minds; been the subject of philosophical discourse and, eventually has become an ingrained cultural meme.
We can picture alien worlds, we can read about them, we can see them on the TV and cinema.
The notion of extraterrestrials constantly drives our modern, twenty first century psyche.
It is not a taboo subject anymore.
The ranks of ridiculers are running out of ideas and steam.
There are more lights in the sky.
There are more sites such as ATS.
We are ready.
And, surely, if "they" are watching us and have done for some time, then "they" will understand this too.

Yet, we're supposed to accept that when real, advanced beings make contact and divulge significant information, they do so with the use of agents who cannot convey the import, or express any intimate understanding of a message of salvation from an "impending world catastrophe"? We just get an ever increasing list of names and subjects.

I don't buy that.

So, tell me why is smokingman2006 believed?

[edit on 26-9-2008 by Beamish]

I agree with many of the cautions you are bringing up. And a trojan horse style takeover is very logical.

toddjumper.com...

Khyla here gives a detailed description of a trojan horse style takeover, then:

"Humanity is not about to be invaded. Humanity is not in the middle of an invasion. Humanity has been invaded! The invasion has taken place, and is NEARLY in its final stages. Great invasions do not happen with thundering smoke and nuclear weaponry. That is the mark of an immature society. Great invasions happen in secrecy...

The tall Blonds from Procyon have a benign attitude toward humanity, except for their strong disapproval of our inhumanity to each other. This strong disapproval is further intensified by our government having made a secret alliance with their hereditary enemies, in order to obtain even more destructive weapons systems than those already in existence. Our 'government' is not interested in negotiating with the Procyonians, as they would not provide us with weapon systems...

Their motivation for breeding with humans is to tune-up the frequency of our species, in order to help us to help ourselves. Their concern is for the well-being of all forms of life, not just humanity. The entire biosphere will benefit if we fulfill our positive potential, instead of self-destructing our planet's biosphere in the process....

"You would go to the most secret and powerful organizations within the society. In the case of the United States, you would infiltrate the CIA, and through the use of techniques unknown to them, you would take over some of the key people in their innermost core group. You would proceed in the same fashion to take over key members of the KGB. You would also create great dissension among the public at large, some individuals and groups insisting that they have seen UFOs, others insisting with equal vehemence that such a thing is not possible, and that they are either liars or deluded.

Though he is talking about greys and negative factions. Some very interesting accounts by contactees of the wars in Sirian, Rigel and Procyon star systems.

The protocol I'm referring to is concerning a military one. I can't imagine sensitive information would be given to anyone, and there would be established cover stories indicating a sense of urgency.

I also share your positive views on humanity, but we don't shine our lights and protest things in effective manners but remain apathetic and passive. There have been many accounts of non-interference and a lack of intention to help us, due to a negative view on humanity. But there are also accounts of many attempting to help us anyway, I believe they can see their children in ours, and know most people's hearts are good though they seem ineffective at ridding themselves of the wolves in sheep's clothing. There are so many possible agendas. I'll send you a couple links from another forum that are very in depth personal accounts. The first and longest one, that is still ongoing resonated with me more than the more famous contacts read. He is the one that is most skeptical about motives. He actually contacted the guy on the second account I'll send where he was having contact with nordics and due to his skeptical pushing that the other question them more, he found out what was happening. I was led to both accounts because my experience is much like the second one, seeking help from pleiadians to stop involvement with greys. Its very healthy to be skeptical of anyone who has advanced psi abilities and interface with your mind. Its childplay for them to re-arrange the furniture of your mind, including adjust your feelings in any matter.

That being said, I believe the OP in his account. I don't necessarily trust her, but I do believe they are trying to help us.

after posting what some called a strange nightmare last night.
I went back to bed feeling drained and weak and managed to snooze all day
which is something I have never done.
Anyway here is the good bit.
when I woke up a little over and hour ago I had a clear vision that the events of the coming ten days will shake the very foundation of peoples belief in he system they live in and is the true reality of what is the start of things to come.

Those who take it as a warning to wake up will have a good chance those who sit on their backside and hope the governemts will make it all right will be lost.

I am making a trip to switzerland over the weekend I want to check out places with fresh water and high above sea level this is somehing I feel compel to do so I may be prepare for the coming years event, I will post once I am back.
Thank you to all and remain positive and opened eyed

[edit on 26-9-2008 by smokingman2006]

I have never thought of that. Why are all non-grey alien types...white. All this supposed alien life visiting us, yet no variation in color. Well except south american version of aliens..where they vary in species adn everything else. So why are all these aliens caucasion in nature, what they have no black, red, yellow, or any other color of people. Why is it that the majority of contactees also causcasion? Smokingman if nothing happens in the next ten days...then what? Wait till your next prediction and wait till that also falls through...

I have to say this...I am willing to believe any of you...if you could offer one shred of proof. I started in this ufo field because of the stories I heard. I read almost every book concerning abductions back in the 90's and thought since so much of these abductions are happening, worldwide and countless thousands if not millions are reporting this, then there must be something to it. Out of thousands if not millions, how much proof besides stories has been offered and also hypnosis has been proven to not be very useful and is why it is not used in the court of law.

hubpages.com...

And an article on alien abduction..
www.psychologytoday.com...

Hello everyone.

Very intriguing story smokingman2006. I do not know whether to beleive you or not. I tend to remain neutral. It will always be an entertaining read, it has since the beginning.

Besides the aliens taking 144,000 people for survival, where I probably wont be chosen, why has noone seen this Nibiru coming? It would seem difficult to hide and object like that from public observation for so long.

If Nibiru were to come close, I couldnt imagine the mass chaos that would occur because of a magnetic shift.

Hey riggs, what event do you think in the next 10 days will awaken the public?

Originally posted by smokingman2006
I am making a trip to switzerland over the weekend I want to check out places with fresh water and high above sea level this is somehing I feel compel to do so I may be prepare for the coming years event, I will post once I am back.
Thank you to all and remain positive and opened eyed

[edit on 26-9-2008 by smokingman2006]

did she tell you Switzerland would be the safe place in case the catastrophe?

reply to post by bubbapug1985


The only thing that can. Niburu showing up, aliens making contact or mass ufo sightings all over the world. If none of these occur, which I doubt they will, it will show that OP knows something that we don't and would add credibilty to his story. Things happening such as stock market crash or anything due to human failure, mass killings(such as human bomb or terrorist attack), or natural disaster do not equal alien contact, only earth being earth..lol and humans doing what they do best...F'ing up.

Originally posted by smokingman2006
I woke up a little over and hour ago I had a clear vision that the events of the coming ten days will shake the very foundation of peoples belief in he system they live in and is the true reality of what is the start of things to come.

[edit on 26-9-2008 by smokingman2006]

His timeline is for his ten days is until the 5th of October. Then what when nothing happens...will his believers still praise him or will they move on to the next guy and distance themselves from him. It will interesting to see what happens. What will his excuse be?


Remeber people this a new version of witches, vampires and werewolves. Once science has shown they don't exist it was time for the stories to change with the times, Now the stories have become more technologically advance, this is so science cannot test them. I await the next tales...once science can get a firm grasp and prove them to be false.

[edit on 26-9-2008 by riggs2099]

@Beamish and mystiq,

I like your discussion, please allow me to join in.

What I don't like (at all) about these "alleged" friends of ours from "far far away" is exactly what was mentioned - deception, agendas and straight out lies. I truly do not believe that a person would not be able to comprehend something. I literally mean that, if you showed a cell phone to someone in 17th Century they would eventually understand its purpose and how it works if they are told the truth.

And that's where the issue is with me. We are not civilized according to them to be told the truth and so it is hidden from us? Please, our "Overlords" here ruling over us have not been telling us the truth for eons, so how are these "alleged" friends better by also hiding it from us. All this non-sense about awakening us and what not - awakening us to what? Their new indoctrinated system where truth would again be veiled behind layers of deception?

I said it in my posts elsewhere and I'll say it again - we do not need anybody to help us, really. We can help ourselves, and should. We just don't seem to want to right now, or not enough people want it to happen (yet). When the time comes it will not matter whether ETs are here or not and whether they will lend a hand or not.

The most pivotal point in this, let's call it a struggle, will be toppling off the veils of deception and lies. We have been lied to for a long time and we still lie to each other every day, for whatever reasons (ex: "I don't want to hurt your feelings"...well I say if you did not have an unbalanced ego in total control over your being, your feelings would not be hurt at all when told truth about something).

When people start telling the truth, all the time, those who lie will not be able to withstand the pressure...

Hum, I lost the train of thought so I'll stop here and maybe continue in another post later.

Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by mystiq

 

I've read that Jack the Ripper is the standard taught in the universe about our planet.

Why is it that most aspects of contact are western-centric? Aren't there any comparable far-eastern serial killers? We have blue-eyed blonde Nordic aliens. The Ashtar Command have a very European looking Jesus as one of their "ascended masters". Everyone from another planet appears to be either white, or a varying shade of. What would the reaction be if some aliens were black, or oriental? Has that ever been recorded? And if not, do you ever question why not?

[edit on 26-9-2008 by Beamish]

Dear Beamish

As for your response to the Jack the Ripper comment, it was a non-answer. You can't deny the truth of it. All they have to do is pick up our TV transmissions, just the six o'clock news is definitely up to Jack the Ripper any day of the week. That quote from Mystiq was from me and I assure you that is what I was told. It is a primer for them as to our capabilities, pretty good example isn't it? Have you heard about the eleven people decapitated outside Merida recently? There's just enough sickos to make them leary of informal travel here without an escort.

Take all this as you will, I'm sick of trying to convince people of the truth that there are other beings in the universe, believe what you want, I really, really don't care. My life is full and why waste time with this argument which you would never believe until you have met with visitors yourself. And lol, I would love to read your posts describing them, I really would.......... I know the response you would receive, Riggs is a light weight compared to most of them.

STM

[edit on 9/26/2008 by seentoomuch]

Thank you so much for what you've said. We have a bad reputation here on earth, never mind that we are so easily fooled with trinkets and cheap entertainment by leaders who would sell the human race out at for trinkets and toys themselves.

reply to post by amigo


Whether we need help or not really depends on the situation. If, in order to turn things around, it could only be done with many innocent children dying, then I will continue to ask for help. I take what you're saying to mean that when things start to get bad enough, more and more people will demand change, and for the truth to be revealed in all things. This is my biggest hope, and not that everyone implodes into confusion and violence against each other. I suspect that if an economic crisis or new event occurs that make them declare martial law in the US, for example, they have a number of nefarious things planned to divide and conquer those who would carry out the demands of their own constitution to remove the treachery from government and reinstate the country their forefathers intended. This is actually an obligation, connected with their right to bear arms. I think before this is going to happen a series of things may occur, new diseases, war, nuclear exchanges...hunger. People may go insane! They will lose focus, and some may hurt each other.
All of this without planet X, but thats not ruled out yet. We may require help, but they may be reluctant to do anything to people who can't take action themselves, because they would simply be transplanting the problem elsewhere! For example, if it was an earth ending catastrophe, and these people together, not just her group, but all of them, could transport all of us to a bigger planet, we would destroy that one in no time, or allow new leaders to take advantage of us yet again. Do you see the problem?

Originally posted by mystiq
People may go insane!

Kinda too late don't you think.. Our "space brothers" only seem to contact them..

reply to post by seentoomuch


Errm, I believe it was a valid answer, as Jack the Ripper was used as a specific. If the comment had stated that it alluded to our ability to rip each other to pieces, ala JTR, then maybe the confusion would have not occured. Any answer is valid unless it does not make sense. Likewise any claim made by an alleged contactee that is poorly executed.

And no, I do not deny that we are still capable of the most horrific acts. Even with several thousand millenia worth of growth and experience and religion that have led us to be able to gain an advanced understanding of our world, we still construct weapons. And weapons the destructive capabilties of which the world has never seen.

And incidentaly; is it not safe to assume that most, if not all societies, alien or no, at one time fought amongst themselves and their neighbours? If these ambassadors of peace have risen above all martial conflict, and have quelled the most primitive of aggresive tendencies amongst their own kind, then why do they "wait" until we do the same? If they're here to save us, why not simply use the experience they've gained and educate us accordingly? Why not save countless lives here and now?

Take all this as you will, I'm sick of trying to convince people of the truth that there are other beings in the universe, believe what you want, I really, really don't care. My life is full and why waste time with this argument which you would never believe until you have met with visitors yourself.

If you had taken the opportunity to read all of the posts in this thread, then you would have seen that I have stated, as I have stated countless times in the past, that I have a strong and unshakeable belief in the existence of advanced, intelligent extraterrestrial life.

Never once, in any post of mine have I gone back on that. And I never will. I take it as an insult that you have grouped me in with total unbelievers. What I don't believe are random, scatter-gun, name-dropping claims delivered poorly and without any form of gravitas. That, to me, just reeks of hoax.

Do you think that smokingman2006's "Pleiadian contact" is pleased with the way he's disseminating such vital information? I wouldn't be. And if by some bizarre happenstance this thread is based on reality, and "she" is content with the outcome, then we need to re-evaluate "her" reasoning for telling him in the first place.

And, by the way, I would dearly love to encounter an emmisary from the stars. Believe me, the accompanying thread would read a hundred times better than any slip-shod attempt I've read so far.

So, if there's anyone reading this who is from elsewhere, here's your opportunity to retip the balance...you know where I am.

Originally posted by smokingman2006
when I woke up a little over and hour ago I had a clear vision that the events of the coming ten days will shake the very foundation of peoples belief in he system they live in and is the true reality of what is the start of things to come.

Those who take it as a warning to wake up will have a good chance those who sit on their backside and hope the governemts will make it all right will be lost.

smokingman2006,

you did not tell us what that vision was about, would you please share it with us?

thanks.

Originally posted by mystiq
reply to post by amigo

 

Whether we need help or not really depends on the situation. If, in order to turn things around, it could only be done with many innocent children dying, then I will continue to ask for help. I take what you're saying to mean that when things start to get bad enough, more and more people will demand change, and for the truth to be revealed in all things.
----snip----
All of this without planet X, but thats not ruled out yet. We may require help, but they may be reluctant to do anything to people who can't take action themselves, because they would simply be transplanting the problem elsewhere! For example, if it was an earth ending catastrophe, and these people together, not just her group, but all of them, could transport all of us to a bigger planet, we would destroy that one in no time, or allow new leaders to take advantage of us yet again. Do you see the problem?

Hi mystiq,

I firmly believe that we can handle any situation and that we are well equipped for it (unfortunately some people carry their heads for looks and not for "thinking") but that's another story.

I think that everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and their thoughts (eventually). Not taking responsibility is waiting for someone else (these "alleged" ET friends or whoever) to do the work, and at the same time giving us an option of blaming them if the outcome is not favourable.

They got more marbles than that to fall into the "nanny" trap and that's why we are not seeing them overthrowing our "overlords" on this planet. Plus I'm sure there are plans within plans and agendas all over the place, which only makes for one big mess and introduces more deception towards us, the cannon fodder. Somehow it appears we are stuck in the middle of something much bigger and everyone is beating us over the ears for it...

About the Earth ending catastrophe, surely you mean extinction level event, because the planet itself is pretty hard to get rid of (where do you dispose of all that rock, dirt and water? ). This sounds to me pretty Terran-centric point of view, as if we are the pinnacle of existence or something.

Far from it, bigger and better civilizations have most likely perished in the past before us, so if we were to lose the lease on the planet, it would not be the first or the last time. It will just be part of the cycle of life and one thing would get replaced by another. When there is a void something shows up to fill it, always.