Muslim extremists conspiring to overthrow Great Britain

reply to post by Ownification


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PLEASE listen to this (and anyone else interested insha'Allaah - maybe you'd find it interesting phoenix, Allaah knows best! - fyi lectures always begin with a supplication and qur'aan in arabic, so do patient insha'Allaah, it's not very long [just over 1minute]!)

it is a lecture by shaykh abu yusuf riyadh ul haq entitled - the authority of hadeeth

brother, let your heart open to the love of Allaah and His rasool, especially during this blessed month, and find out for yourself what is right and wrong...
at the end of the day, we want to save ourselves from the hellfire, and by any means necessary, even if that means doing a little research insha'Allaah!

may Allaah guide us all to the straight way, aameen yaa Rabb

[edit on 14-9-2008 by eyescryforALLAAH07]

How anyone could convert to Islam is beyond me.
Sooner people understand ALL religion is a human concept and at best the word of 'God'* through the manipulative and corrupt mind of humans the better.

As for me, I fancy being able to see my girl thank you very much, and bacon is too damned irresistible.

*[size=-5]Yes Im Agnostic.

May common sense lead us straight.... ha..

(As for thread topic, people in the UK are getting damned fed up of 'this side' of Islam. Unless they want to be forcefully removed I suggest they take another look at assimilating into British culture.)

[edit on 14-9-2008 by Vowles]

The radical muslims are using humanity as an infectious disease that spreads from within like a viral colony. How long will Britain let this cancer grow before they cut it out or succumb to it? What is the likelihood of all these newborn muslims becoming "timebombs" as he put it? Muslims can live in peace and probably get representation in government if they themselves get rid of these radical elements. Not likely to happen though since there is little evidence of that happening anywhere.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by SectionEight]

I see they, the Muslims, have done, with this post, what they have done to numerous civilizations: take them over and make them barren...

1) Being Jesus recognized as a prophet, isn't he considered a minor prophet due to not having left and Empire, or conquered lands?

2) Isn't the objective of the muslim faith to conquer, and convert, the world? If not, why the constant expansionism and imperialism?

3) Isn't the muslim community responsible for the majority of religious motivated crimes, in the UK (against members of their own community)?

4) Isn't the main objective of muslim countries to reestablish the Caliphate, thus having to conquer most of Southern Iberian Peninsula?

Just a few questions for our "pacific" muslim members...

Originally posted by NorthWolfe CND
I see they, the Muslims, have done, with this post, what they have done to numerous civilizations: take them over and make them barren...

1) Being Jesus recognized as a prophet, isn't he considered a minor prophet due to not having left and Empire, or conquered lands?

2) Isn't the objective of the muslim faith to conquer, and convert, the world? If not, why the constant expansionism and imperialism?

3) Isn't the muslim community responsible for the majority of religious motivated crimes, in the UK (against members of their own community)?

4) Isn't the main objective of muslim countries to reestablish the Caliphate, thus having to conquer most of Southern Iberian Peninsula?

Just a few questions for our "pacific" muslim members...

1 - we believe that the messiah, prophet `isa / jesus, son of mary, peace be upon him, is to return to the earth and lead the muslim community after having slain the anti-christ... we believe he is a major prophet who was given a scripture known as the injeel / gospel, and that he spoke from the cradel and was given many many miracles to show the people (curing the lepper, making a dove out of dust and bringing the dead to life - all by The Permission and The Will of Almighty God)
we love ALL prophets and messengers that have ever been sent, and do not deny a single one of them, yet we follow the sunnah of the last one who brought the final message, just as moses's community, peace be upon him, followed his sunnah and `isa's community followed his, for each peophet had his community and his way, but as we believe muhammad, peace be upon him, is the final messenger, we believe we are all his community untill judgement day and thus must follow his sunnah...

2 - NO the object is NOT to convert the entire world as you have put it, for Allaah clearly states "there is no compulsion in religion..."
the object is to call people to the truth. if they refuse, this is due to their own free will and they can never be forced to accept islaam for if they are forced and have no faith anyway, they are NOT muslim in the first place!

3 - actually if you are talking about the so-called "honour killings" these are NOT from islaam and are usual culturally based or influenced from other religions like hinduism for example, and carried out by ignorant people or by those who like to interpret islaam as they see fit...
i actually know of MANY so-called christians who fight eachother for various reasons, sometimes their faith, but normally due to a woman, alcohol, drugs, etc...

4 - again wrong, the MAJORITY of so-called muslim countries DO NOT WANT the khalifate, in fact, they would rather be secular, irreligious establishments...
what the ummah (muslim community) want is a khilaafah which groups all muslims together so that they can live under the laws of their Lord and practice their religion freely, without hatred or prejudice and so they can exercise the morals of NOT walking down the street and hearing verbal abuse to old people, or to the youth slandering their mother, etc...
places are usually only warred on and conquered during this time if they are oppressing their people (like in burma, kashmeer etc) and this is to reinstate someone who will rule with justice, or if war is brought to the muslim lands...


please, do not just go by what you have heard people who despise islaam say... it is nice that you have at least had the decency to ask rather than throwing accusations at people...

may Allaah guide us all aameen

[edit on 14-9-2008 by eyescryforALLAAH07]

reply to post by NorthWolfe CND


I'm an atheist. Religion, to me, is the refuge of the vulnerable.

1) He's a prophet. He is held in great regard by the Islamic faith.
2) No, the 'objective' of Islam is to lead a good life, as it is in Christianity and Judaism. What you see ascribed to Islam is not - that is just an easy way to ignore the real causes of these problems
3) I don't know what you're expecting to prove with this one - unless Islam is evenly distributed throughout each and every demographic in the UK (health, wealth, employment, etc.), looking for correlations is illogical, as correlation is not the same as causation
4) To quote Father Jack Hackett, that would be an ecumenical matter. The different approaches to establishing the Caliphate caused the split in Islam, and is still hotly debated to this day.

What you seem to have done, and indeed what many in the world have done, is conflate the struggles undertaken by Muslims with the Islamic faith. As in the reason why Iran is so angry is because it is an Islamic nation - which is flat-out wrong. To ignore the meddling of the west in their country's history is to ensure we never fix the problem. Same goes for the Palestinians. Same for the Chechnyans. There is one exacerbating factor, which seems to be more present in Islam than Christianity, is the brotherhood within the faith. It is not uncommon for many Muslims to consider themselves Muslim first, then <insert nationality here>. Some of you more patriotic folks will baulk at that notion (rightly or wrongly), but again - to ignore it is to ensure we don't fix a god-damned thing. That means that when an Islamic country is attacked, it is easily perceived as an attack on Islam. Seperating the two can be incredibly difficult. The same goes for Israel and Judaism - many people can't seperate the two, including many Jewish folks and Christian folks.

What Islam is currently experiencing is a horrific mix of circumstances. You have a religion that has stayed relatively localised (unlike Christianity), in the most important area for the worlds' economies, and a religion that preaches that brotherhood and "something worth fighting for is worth dying for" (notions exactly the same in Christianity, but which have been watered down by our society's continual distancing from religion, whether we realise it or not). The geographical implications of the location of Islamic countries and people has led to successive external powers (Britain, France, and more recently the US, among others) messing with the countries. Either by establishing military bases, or by meddling with internal politics, such as re-instating the Shah of Iran, or by arbitrarily decreeing Israel now exists again. Squeezing people brings out the worst in them, and if you have a banner that easily rallies people to your cause, rest assured it will be used.

It's late, and I apologise if that rant was off-topic or anything.

reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07


May Everyone be guided to the right path and the pure nature of love and peace and true understanding...

That said... Its not all about religious ranting

Christians (true Christians) are peaceful
Muslims (true Muslims) are peaceful
Buddhists (most buddhists ) are peaceful
Jews ( true Jews) are peaceful
Wiccans... ( i dont know anything about them) so i wont lie
Atheists (true atheists (haha couldn't resist) are peaceful

Maybe your not getting the point here...
SO I WILL TELL YOU

The Major Religious bibles of the world preach peace... duh. It is religions purpose, to express to the unknowing the true nature of humanity.

Where religions go wrong is to say there religion is the right one and the only one. They all share the same God and express the same ideas of peace. Another way they go wrong is to write into their bibles the working methods of current Government. THAT IS WRONG. Government works for different people of different areas. You cannot say Abstinence is key for both an all winter climate and then an all summer climate... The winter climate is forced to be indoors with less things to do and thus Sex will increase... BUT HEY HEY HEY If there is supervision its ok... Its all about being intelligent about doing the right thing. Hotter climates choose to do less of it because of the heat... so put them in more temperate conditions and they will start up unless there is... SUPERVISION! wow who would have thought.

So let me RECAP

Religions all promote peace
Religions each try to relay their own agenda of Government
Religions are YES THEY ARE from the same Creator/Spirit/God/Allah

Religions are of peace and peace only. Any religion preaching false doctrins and doing Negative and bad things is misguided. I think all of the religious leaders of the world should study the human mind through psychology... then adjust their made up religious practices that are made up... the made up parts now... dont reword my words... Let the truth stand as it is... With all truths though there need to be 2 storys to describe it... Like little short films. Because somepeople do not understand specific words like others but they do interpret human interaction and vice versa. So anyways thats my 2 cents. Everyone needs to get a long. We are all on the same planet, there is only one God Creator that resides in the Spirit and not the physical- an Energy. and we are all stuck here together so make the best of it.

oh... edit to add

Every Religion is wrong.

The true religion is the human element the spirit...

If you break down each religion and subscribe to its purpose and learn its purpose you learn the truth about self and your human nature and the human nature of others. When you learn that we all exist, breath, eat, sleep, relax, work, laugh, play... you learn the truth that those are the good things about us that we can enjoy... the ones who only live in the negative are the ones who do not understand these things and who have been hurt by others.

Religion is truth, but there is no true religion. -I however must say that Jesus was hitting the nail pretty hard on the head. Buddha got some pretty good ones in and muhammad... sp..? had a few good ones. That said ... we got 3 Christs... everyone is catering to their own agenda... when will we get it right.

Edit to add again...

No the religious comment was not aimed at you (dave) lol. I agree with a lot of what you said though.. it makes a lot of sense. I do however beleive there is a creationist spirit/energy that resides in all so... on that we differ... maybe.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by rjmelter]

reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07


To #4: So you admit Muslims can't live along fellow humans who aren't enriched by Allah(Pieces of innocent women,children and men...literally upon him). They require their own groups and own laws. In which case, I say, live in a damned Islamic country and stop trying to make mine into one.

reply to post by dave420


dave, i am quite litterally shocked by your post!
wow
i am happy to see such a fair and neutral response, and i think the majority of what you have said is so very true....
yes the brotherhood in islaam is very strong despite many things, alhamdulillaah...

this is taught in the hadeeth
"the muslim ummah/ community is like one body. whenever one part of it feels pain or is stricken by fever, the whole body is awake through night due to sleeplessness and fever"

thankyou once again for such a fair post... if only more people would be so neutral and open-minded, especially if they hardly know anything!

Originally posted by Vowles
reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07

 

To #4: So you admit Muslims can't live along fellow humans who aren't enriched by Allah(Pieces of innocent women,children and men...literally upon him). They require their own groups and own laws. In which case, I say, live in a damned Islamic country and stop trying to make mine into one.

That's a fair point.

Originally posted by Vowles
reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07

 

I say, live in a damned Islamic country and stop trying to make mine into one.

i didn't say i want to make your one! LOL

and anyway, there are NO islaamic empires today so that is a baseless statement...
i will NOT put my children, nor myself, in a situation where i have no citizenship, lack of rights, and can be kicked out at any time if they want to...
untill an empire exists which DOES allow ANY muslim to go there, doors open, and will not kick them out if they feel like it etc, then i will go, insha'Allaah!
untill then, as i have already said, myself, my little family and MOST muslims, are staying put!

i am white english and i was born and raised in this country, and thus have far more rights over here that anywhere else...
at the end of the day, i can practice my religion here to an extent (atleast i can wear niqaab etc with relative ease and pray outside if needs be!), i can homeschool if i wanted to etc
i know you don't want me here but quite frankly you don't own this country and have no right to tell me to get lost!

and as for admitting i can't live alongside others that isn't the case...
what is different in an islaamic country is, like i said earlier, you are safe from even the tongue of a person! thus childrn are not raised thinking they can rob or swear at or beat up or disobey their elders, and the adults do not see it as okay to verbally abuse the youngsters...
you would not have drunks on the street, nor smoking, neither would you have prostitution, rapes etc because things like this under a REAL islaamic empire are controlled and monitored... (the types of punishment for adultery, fornication, theft, rape etc also deter people from such acts)
it is far stricter in an islaamic country and this is best for everyone, especially the children!
morals can only be implemented with discipline...
my mum's school used to use the cane etc and there were hardly any disobedient children because of that... when i went to that school a teacher got fired for TAPPING a child who was bullying another!
this is how disobedience and rebellion is spreading, because people do not fear any form of accountability that they are scared of, neither in this world and NOR do they believe in the hereafter...

THANKS FOR READING!

[edit on 14-9-2008 by eyescryforALLAAH07]

reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07


For a lot of grammatical errors you get
For someone ranting about religion and posting a fearbased post

True religion if you fully embrace it are not scared. You do not talk about not having places to go for this this and that. You accept that you are a part of the fabric of existance, you were created just as monkeys and dogs were created (both of which do not appear to have any religion)... both of which also know their place in this world far better than any human does...

So who would you rather a follow... Misguided human or free flowing animals? I think animals got it right. Think about it, they do what they need to, they enjoy their existance, they dont kill each other... they do fight when neccessary but due to lack of a language they express it very well in a fight that is not brutal... Animals that have killed another that have typically been studied have had abnormalities that create problems in them and hinder the survival of the group... so they sacrifice them. I guess thats kinda like suicide bombing... but they only kill themselves.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by rjmelter]

reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07


For a group who claim their words are often taken out of context... you seem to like doing it. I say again, If you don't like a the concept of a free country (Although thats heavily contested these days) and would rather your little group could live together in your little ghetto, keeping the non-muslims out and having your own law not the infidels law. THEN Get the hell out of a country that was founded on basis of equality (Refer to Magna Carta) and unity (Refer to Acts of Union). Thank you

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07

 

So who would you rather a follow... Misguided human or free flowing animals? I think animals got it right.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by rjmelter]

loool you seem to forget that as muslims we believe all of creation except mankind and jinn DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL...

we believe they are all fully submitting to Allaah, their Lord and Creator, each has their own form of worship etc unknown to us, so yes, unlike humans who actually search for their purpose in life due to their free will, animals already know their purpose etc!
thanks for saying the animals have it right! lol

reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07


According to your religion animals have it right

According my my religion animals have it right

According to other religions animals have it right..

SO WHICH IS IT?

Animals dont speak, thats the beautiful thing about it.

They Speak Not
They Lie Not

And they live a pretty decent life if mankind doesn't mess it all up

Originally posted by Vowles
reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07

 

For a group who claim their words are often taken out of context... you seem to like doing it. I say again, If you don't like a the concept of a free country (Although thats heavily contested these days) and would rather your little group could live together in your little ghetto, keeping the non-muslims out and having your own law not the infidels law. THEN Get the hell out of a country that was founded on basis of equality (Refer to Magna Carta) and unity (Refer to Acts of Union). Thank you

let me say AGAIN as you seem to be blind to what i said:

there are NO islaamic empires today so that is a baseless statement...
i will NOT put my children, nor myself, in a situation where i have no citizenship, lack of rights, and can be kicked out at any time if they want to...
untill an empire exists which DOES allow ANY muslim to go there, doors open, and will not kick them out if they feel like it etc, then i will go, insha'Allaah!
untill then, as i have already said, myself, my little family and MOST muslims, are staying put!

THANKYOU

reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07


What about animals that eat pigs, are they going to hell? Are you sure they know? Do you think we should tell them to make sure? Because Im not sure they know!

And theres plenty of Islamic country's out there. Im sure one would have you if you really wanted to go. (Hell I know of three Christians who live in the UAE)

[edit on 14-9-2008 by Vowles]

Originally posted by Vowles
reply to post by eyescryforALLAAH07

 

What about animals that eat pigs, are they going to hell? Are you sure they know? Do you think we should tell them to make sure? Because Im not sure they know!

Chicken like eggs, and cooked chicken.

Pigs like bacon (too) lol

Cows like beeef too (wait... thats mad cow disease)

Eh him back on track Rj

OK ok.

Anyways EYE CRYS FOR ALLAH-

I would ask you to study psychology, the study of the the human mind and their reactoin to existance and etc etc. (Study conducted by all peoples, black white purple pink and yellow, of ever religion known to man) There has to be some truth to it... And it seems to point out that no religion should be based on fear such that of islam and christianity which COINCIDENTALLY Rival each other for the end vote of the truest religion of the world. The truth is that Mankind needed a fallback device for the end times. If you Rival two religions against each other telling everyone that either one is right and a large percentage of the world is delivered unto it then 85% of the worlds population will cease to exist when they go to war with each other and the rest will be the people that knew the truth...

[edit on 14-9-2008 by rjmelter]

i don't think any of you are interested BUT we believe that animals generally do not go to hell or paradise (unless Allaah has willed for specific ones as we have been told of certain who will enter paradise in ahadeeth).
we believe animals are turned to dust on the day of judgement...

and vowles they are NOT islaamic countries...
the fact that a muslim population may be the majority in certain countries does not make it an islaamic country, just as the u.k is not a christian country...

BTW rj i studied pschology at a level when i was non muslim, and then when i took on the a2 level after becoming muslim i quit it because i was disgusted at things i was learning and it goes against MANY principles in islaam to even put yourself in that situation of learning corrupt things and being asked to argue for and against it...
so rj, i'f rather not thanks!

[edit on 14-9-2008 by eyescryforALLAAH07]

[edit on 14-9-2008 by eyescryforALLAAH07]

I see this Allah bloke isn't a member of PETA then.

As for animals not having free will, many animals are able to identify themselves from a reflection and so are self-aware. At which point do humans differ from being self-aware to full blown free will?