Forum Reference Index AND Thread for Discussing anything related to 9/11, Pentagon, etc.

What about the two posts I made about Osama/Usama denying responsibility for the 9/11 attacks?

That should defiantly be part of the conspiracy index!

Revisiting this thread is an eye-opener.

I don't really have a strong belief that a conspiracy was at work on September 11th, but one thing has been bugging me.

If I think back on that day, some of the most compelling images I saw were from the news choppers which were circling the tops of the towers. I remember scanning the TV screen intently, looking at the shots of the WTC rooftop and wondering if we were going to see some survivors who'd made it to the roof.

Of course we never did.

Anyway, I realized a couple of months ago that I don't think I've ever seen that footage since. I've seen quite few angles on the the anniversaries, and even more vidcaps on the web, but NOWHERE can I find copies of that chopper footage.

Anybody got ideas on where it could be found? And why it might be missing?

Originally posted by troydayton
I don't really have a strong belief that a conspiracy was at work on September 11th

Why not? By definition, there was a conspiracy... you don't think 19 named hijackers told the world about their plans do you?

You may be referring to the role of the US government and/or other instrumentailities not formally charged with crime or culpability.

It has been proven beyond the disbelief of any reasonable person that the Bush administration has been either complicit or negligent in the worst national security failure in US history. Perhaps you don't have the facts at hand.

Here's another question to explore: Why has no-one lost their job over this?

[edit on 31-5-2005 by MaskedAvatar]

Thank you for being the guy that points out small slips of the tongue as factually incorrect even though you're probably smart enough to know what I meant.

Clearly, there was a conspiracy. But I think it was fairly obvious what I meant.

For you to say that the Bush administration is "complicit or negligent" is like saying the oranges are either "overripe or rotten"... there's a world of difference friend.

If the US Government was negligent (which many believe it was) then we need to take appropriate action and make sure those that failed don't do it again. If the US Government was complicit (which a small minority believe it was) then we all need to march down to the White House with torches, pitch forks, bats, and rifles and stage a coup.

I have all the facts I need at hand. So thanks for the condescending attitude. Now does anyone else want to ignore the question I asked in favor of arguing my syntax?

In August of 2001, six weeks before the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and Pensylvania, President Bush was at his ranch. Well it's August 2005, almost four years after the attacks, and Bush is back at his ranch. Plus not only that, Bush wasn't in D.C. on 9-11, he was in the safety of a Florida elementary school when thousands were dying.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Here's another question to explore: Why has no-one lost their job over this?

Au contraire, alot of people were fired.. mainly whistleblowers, but I call coincidence on this one.

Not to mention those that got death threats..

Have you guys heard the eyewitness report about a military helicopter at the Pentagon right before the explosion?

You can hear it on the opening page audio at 911eyewitness.com and also if you go the evidence pages you can email the clip to friends and your local politicians.

A military officer interviewed by a CNN reporter says he saw the helicopter circle the building and then disappear over the helicopter landing zone followed by the explosion.

So chances are it was guiding the UAV into the building with laser.

Quote: "(U.S. Government =) Complicit or Negligent in the WORST National Security Failure in U.S. History."

AND STILL Bush Got Re-Elected!!! He is such a Dumb Ass - I still can't believe it!!!

I do Love my Country! We might not be Absolutly & Completly Free - But we have much more Freedom than the Majority of the World (Besides Canada & Europe - but our Economy is better than thiers). I just wish that my fellow Americans would smarten up & get with the game - instead of following this Rancid, Smear style Politics - I am SOOOOOOOOO Sick of Name Calling - it is UNPRODUCTIVE. I am sick of "Policy by Slogan". "War on Terror" - Terror is just an EMOTION FOR GODS SAKE!!! The world is MUCH more complicated than what they can fit in Sound Bites! Come on Guys we are SMARTER than this - lets put this childishness behind us & work on solving some serious problems!


Dumb Ass...Sick of Name Calling...Uhh, I just realized that I Contradicted myself - Sorry about that - I couldn't help myself! I guess the statement that I just made above is easier said than done!

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

I'm tired of the Danish government and are now set to do some action here as well as we are actually in war with Iraq due to the lies of Bush and his Minions.

I'm making the site these days so more stuff will come up running on it and also links and some of the stuff from here.

I feel an urge to help spreding the truth about 911 and help all those innocent people who got killed in USA on the day of 11th September. Also to try to prevent that the next attack from Bush and his Minions on USA will succeed. Remember Bush have just told on Danish TV that we can expect a major attack on the USA from Al quada very soon.

I think and pray for the US citizents, hope you will get it stopped in time. No matter how you do you really need to stop the Maniac George W. Bush and his minions Rumsfeld, Dickhead...sorry...Cheney, Rice and those jerks. Thnx for you work.

Mod Edit: Get permission first.

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Is it just me or are there absolutely no 7/7 threads
Or is that just because we trust Scotland Yard? (or something like that)

>>'But we have much more Freedom than the Majority of the World (Besides Canada & Europe - but our Economy is better than thiers)'

a-hem! would you care to quote statistics proving this claim? i can dispute it. like:

the u.s. gov't has borrowed enough money, in the last 3 years, equilivent to 1 yrs gdp. think about that. whether the employment stats are real or not, whether the trade surplus is a problem or not, the u.s. has borrowed an amount equilevent to 1 yrs gdp in only 3 years.

'In fact, if that were done and the government used GAAP accounting, the deficits for 2003, 2004, and 2005 would each have been around $3.5 trillion. That's a trillion, not billion. In 2004 alone, the deficit on an accrual basis would have been $11.1 trillion, due to a huge one-time spike for setting up the Medicare drug benefits. In essence, as he points out, we're piling up additional liabilities in an amount roughly equivalent to our total GDP every three years. '

moneycentral.msn.com...

canada has run surpluses for the last 4? years. any questions?

the u.s. gov't has been fudging numbers for many years, the last few years have been the most inventive. they have been borrowing from social security to pay bills. if that were a private company, JAIL TIME.

that article should wake up anyone who cares about the economy world wide.

as for freedom... does being on a list with the fbi for protesting the war sound like freedom. don't even get me started on that one.

if there is 1 thing that a LOT of americans have in common, it is that they have no clue what is going on in the rest of the world. these people are in the 36% of bush supporters. watch this video closely:

video.google.com...

rick

nymag.com...

I'm not sure where to put this; but here it is. And I have a copy of the article in my Yahoo group/abidemir, if you can't for some reason reach it at New York Magazine.

IN PART---

The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll

A new generation of conspiracy theorists is at work on a secret history of New York’s most terrible day.

By Mark Jacobson

Free fall: The speed at which the towers came down—they were almost in free fall—suggests controlled demolition rather than catastrophic collapse. (Photo: Jim Collins/AP)

1. 11/22 and 9/11

They keep telling us 9/11 changed everything. But even in this Photoshopped age of unreliable narrators, much remains the same. The assassination of President John Kennedy, the Crime of the Last Century, occurred in plain sight, in front of thousands—yet exactly what happened remains in dispute. The Warren Commission found that Lee Harvey Oswald, fellow traveler of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, shot Kennedy with a cheap Mannlicher-Carcano rifle from a sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. The commission found that Oswald, who two days later would be murdered by nightclub owner Jack Ruby, acted alone.

The Plane Truth

A list of 9/11 conspiracy theories, from nuts to soup.

Yet, as with so many such events, there is the sanctioned history and the secret history—players hidden from view. In the Kennedy murder, the involvement of shadowy organizations like the Mafia and the CIA came into question. This way of thinking came to challenge the official narrative put forth by the Warren Commission. It is not exactly clear when the grassy knoll supplanted the sixth-floor window in the popular mind-set. But now, four decades after Dallas, it is difficult to find anyone who believes Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman.

But if Oswald didn’t kill the president, who did? So 11/22 remains an open case, an open wound.

Now here we are again, contemplating the seemingly unthinkable events of September 11. An official explanation has been offered up: The nation was attacked by the forces of radical Islam led by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda jihadists. Again, this narrative has been accepted by many.

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Chaiyah99



[edit on 26-3-2006 by chaiyah99]

This just came out about 2 hours ago.

This could be a catalyst for the truth movement!

www.msnbc.msn.com...

An official explanation has been offered up: The nation was attacked by the forces of radical Islam led by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda jihadists. Again, this narrative has been accepted by many.

I wonder if people realize that an "Official Explanation" - by some faceless Government representative - IS NOT PROOF & would not stand up in any Court of Law. Maybe this is why we had all of that Tap Dancing around for the Moussaoui trial!

It is always about what the whacko Islamic Jihadists are doing - it is NEVER about the Corrupt Status of our own Government!

We never had any proof - just Biased Accusations & continued Propaganda - Just George W. Bush saying "Trust Us - we know whats up - be have the American People's best interests at heart". I don't know about you guys - but ***I DON'T BELIEVE HIM***!!! Was the Iraq War really for our own best Interests?

[edit on 5-8-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Sorry but

video.google.ca...

en.wikipedia.org...


shows me more proof that a 757 never hit the pentagon.




My opinion. The Bush wanted a bigger reason to go to war, they attacked their own military stucture with a US Bunker Buster missile, the new ones they are using in this war, perfect way to test it and start a war.


If it was a 757 where is the jet fuel? That stuff is TOXIC, after soemthing like that they would have to excavate the ground to the point where it didnt contaminate it.

There was barely any casualties...its a 757 from NEW YORK on BUSINESS DAY, 200+ passengers it can hold and there is only like 60 casualties total. Bottomline, a 757 from New York on he worst of days would probably carry atleast 100+, that airliner must be doing terrible.

Insider trading before 9/11 from the airliners.

Why didn't the media focus more on whether or not a plane hit the pentagon or not? There was barely anything about it, its a HUGE issue too.


I hate conspiracy theory, but I it agrivates me when there isnt enough attention to a subject.




[edit on 17-8-2006 by krash101]

The o.p. links are all messed up! What happened?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think that's what caused all the buildings to collapse. Read this article about microwave guns

Index update

Hi,

This thread Pentagon plane crash by Loutty is not on the index, should be ?

brotherthebig.