The Evidence For Jesus' Existence is Overwhelming

Originally posted by azureskys
Church,Religion,Faith, Belief, the Bible, (or any other written Religious script), IS NOT criteria for the truth !!!!

How much time, in your life, have you spent practicing the principles and fundementals taught in the New Testament Bible?

Originally posted by mhc_70


I was providing a verse backing up your response to sdrawkcabII regarding questioning everything in religion.


Christian is a very broad term and many bad people have done many bad things in the name of Christianity, there has also been alot of good. Just because somebody calls themself Christian I would caution from automatically assuming they are being decieved.

From reading your posts, I bet you would be surprised at the similiarities in our religious beliefs.

Ahh I see - thought you were the other poster...lol...pardon my enthuiasm..

As to deception - if believers are calling themselves "christians" then at the very least they have not studied the word carefully...they are taking the words of men over the word of Yeshuah... I realize that folk assent with their natural mind to "group think", often without renewing their minds daily in the word - without putting on the full armour of God, without understanding that they have been made one with Christ as He is one with the Father, heirs to ALL power in the newness of the resurrected life...they walk around speaking negative faith in disease and all other manner of lies saying its the will of God when the word clearly states that God's will is to give you the "desires of your heart". Does a Father give His children disease and death? Not my Father...

According to the word we "have the mind of Christ" but do believers run with that? HELL no!! And have you ever heard this one - "Nobody's perfect"....yet Yeshuah tells to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect....hmmmm....tells me folk are not listening, nor taking Yeshuah at His word...

but again - my brother - if I misjudged you please forgive me...the intent of my heart was only to pass on the truth...

And mods if this too off topic - I apologize - back to business now..

reply to post by Simplynoone


"[THEY FOUND HIS TOMB AND HE WAS STILL IN IT! He is now buried in an unmarked grave with the rest of his family, including his wife, Mara of Magdela (Mary Magdeline) and his son. ]

OK lets see your proof of this ? "


Israeli Dept. of Antiquities. They have the ossuaries from the tomb. As per Jewish tradition, the contents were reburied, regretfully in an unmarked grave. See James Cameron's 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus, or go to www.jesusfamilytomb.com/ or dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/tomb.html
and please tell me you didn't actually use wikipedia as a reliable source! You have to be kidding me!

[edit on 13-9-2008 by JaxonRoberts]

His son was still a child when he died, btw, so no bloodline!

Originally posted by realshanti
According to the word we "have the mind of Christ" but do believers run with that? HELL no!! And have you ever heard this one - "Nobody's perfect"....yet Yeshuah tells to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect....hmmmm....tells me folk are not listening, nor taking Yeshuah at His word...

I agree, we must strive for perfection, but never be too arrogant to believe we could do it ourselves.

My point is, we all have a mind/brain and conscience/soul... The Holy Spirit (mind of Christ)fills the conscience of a born again believer. Problem is giving up our free will, the desire to satisfy our own human nature, which comes from the mind/brain, and listen to the conscience or the Holy Spirit.

There are many things taught in the Bible that at first glance one could easily overlook as evidence. The term "You reap what you sow", is a term coined by Jesus, how many people believe in Karma, what comes around g.....?We are expected to believe these are just more coincidences.

[regretfully in an unmarked grave]

Well then thats all the proof the whole world would need then to say that Jesus didnt rise from the dead eh .

Why then havent they brought that body out and did a dna on them ?
And showed the world so once and for all Christians can just forget about Jesus ?
I am sure that the Jews of that day who helped to kill him would have paraded it down mainstream and proved to those believers that was him ..and he did not come back to life ..I am sure that would also have been written down for the whole world to forget about Jesus ..Doncha think ?
Didnt happen did it ??

reply to post by Simplynoone


Why don't you see the documentary before you pass judgement, or is your faith so weak that you're afraid to? They didn't do DNA testing because it is against the Jewish faith to tamper with the remains of the dead. Also, the reburied the remains immediately, before they knew what they had! Face it, Christianity is the BIGGEST conspiracy ever perpetuated in human history! OPEN YOUR MIND! Isn't that what sites like this are for?

LOL so you expect me to believe that as many followers as Christ had that they would not have changed their rules a bit (of course with the help of the Romans) to make sure everyone would forget about that man Jesus by showing them a body ?

Its all hearsay ...sorry

I am not afraid of anything ..nothing ..nothing yall could come up with will convince me otherwise ..I know him in my heart to be REAL ...I have seen him help me when no one else could have (INCLUDING MYSELF) .whether you think I am not a thinker for myself or not ..wont change how I feel and believe .....

reply to post by Simplynoone


If you're faith is soooooooooooo strong, then read the book and watch the documentary. You have nothing to lose! Until you explore all sides of an issue, your opinion is tainted, now isn't it!

Sure no prob ..I will watch it even though I may have already seen it ..
I have watched many a documentary on stuff like this ..

Originally posted by Simplynoone
You know if some of you went on a spiritual quest for the Lord Jesus you may find him the same way you found your buddah .You need to REALLY WANT TO FIND HIM just like you had to really want to find whatever you were searching for from your buddah ..
Didnt you read some sort of buddah bible in order to find him too ?
Then meditate for eons ..(hows that any different really than prayer?)

I can go on a spiritual quest to find a green M&M, and if I truly believe it, and have faith, then that COULD be my savior.

There, I think you may find yourself thinking about that for a minute, at least I hope.

So, put yourself in God the Father position. You have ALL these children ALL over the world, yet you are going to send any of them to HELL that do not claim the blood of Christ, EVEN if they've NEVER heard of JC?!?!?!

Sorry, don't make sense, please move along now.

Yes the evidence of Jesus is overwhelming.

It was a common name so there were many.
Some even to this day.

The evidence for the name John is equally as overwhelming.

- Lee

reply to post by blupblup


Nope. this isn't a case of a normal preacher. This is a God man, just read ancient history. It's littered with similar examples of God men, who were the divine offspring of a god of some sort, and a human. Jesus is one of many such examples. The only difference is, he claimed to be the only one who's name could get you into the hereafter in a pleasant fashion. The bulk of the other God men, existed only to rule with "the rod of iron" (et.al, their extraordinary abilities made them tyrannical). Jesus' approach was totally different. The jews were expecting the tyrant with the rod of iron who would force the world to follow him, which is why they didn't recognize Jesus. They were expecting Darth Vader and got Yoda instead.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by undo]

Well, it's simple. There's Forensic Proof to confirm the rock solid historic evidence.

The comparative analysis of the Oviedo's Sudarium (piece of cloth placed upon his face, after his death, while still on the Crux) and the Turin's Shroud (large and fine hemp line funerary sheet) made by Spain PHD's in Forensic Pathology found more than three hundreds common points. Remember that Oviedo's cloth reaches just the head!

Same man, same lesions in the head, same blood type. Crowned in pain with undeniable perfect marks of roman torture instruments.

Some anonymous posted about the Turin's Sudarium.

Holographic data shows you, in 3D (glasses, please) a new discovery: one small plate placed in front his throat, written ABA in Hebrew: Father.

And, yes. HOLOGRAPHIC data stored in hemp.

Do you believe Da Vinci was so smart, uh?

Just as an introduction:



And I agree 100 % with UFO connection.

Question is: What really THEY are?

[edit on 14-9-2008 by Mohrphaeus]

Such an interesting topic and so many pages to read i wish i had seen it sooner..

reply to post by Mohrphaeus


Very interesting documentary! So was he the son of God, or the product of an extraterrestrial biology experiment? It does stand to reason that if his mother was 'abducted' that she would have interpretted the event as being visited by angels and thus it must be the prophecy of the messiah. Had she then given that belief to her son, he would have done his best to fulfill that prophecy. Perhaps the image was made when 'Dad' came back to see what had happen to him. Some type of scanning or reanimation that is far beyond our current science?

Originally posted by undo
Nope. this isn't a case of a normal preacher. This is a God man, just read ancient history.
[edit on 14-9-2008 by undo]

We have.

There is no contemporary historical evidence for Jesus.


Iasion

Originally posted by Mohrphaeus
Well, it's simple. There's Forensic Proof to confirm the rock solid historic evidence.

The comparative analysis of the Oviedo's Sudarium (piece of cloth placed upon his face, after his death, while still on the Crux) and the Turin's Shroud (large and fine hemp line funerary sheet) made by Spain PHD's in Forensic Pathology found more than three hundreds common points. Remember that Oviedo's cloth reaches just the head!

Very funny.
These are KNOWN forgeries.


Iasion

Iasion that is soooo yesterday...don't you have any new material?

shroud of turin - big scam anyway- the funeral custom of Yeshua's time was to wrap the and bind the body like a mummy from head to toe - there was no solid piece of cloth laid over the face - the NT confirms this as well - take a look at the raising of Lazarus...