The Evidence For Jesus' Existence is Overwhelming

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


Far more research huh? Fine, I won't argue that, because the day Jesus filled my heart, I knew I had found what I was searching for. Here is some old wisdom for you to ponder: Sometimes when people are trying to get from point A to point B, they go wayyy past B and end up God-only-knows where.

reply to post by Clearskies


Clearskies, you nailed that one.

reply to post by Bombeni


That is such a weak argument. A true scholar of any subject gathers all the information available, otherwise their opinion is flawed.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Bombeni

 

That is such a weak argument. A true scholar of any subject gathers all the information available, otherwise their opinion is flawed.

You have to realize that this person is not going to come back with any actual argument. To a person like this, their faith is the only argument they need.
Makes me think of George Bluth...."Faith is a fact....no, faith is a faccet....I almost said faith is a fact haha" ...."You mean we're going to trial because you don't know what a blooper reel is?!?"

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Bombeni

 

That is such a weak argument. A true scholar of any subject gathers all the information available, otherwise their opinion is flawed.

Well I'm sorry if you feel that way. The only research I have been doing lately is to find another bumper sticker (had one but my car was totaled by an escaped convict who ran from the scene), that says "God Said It and I Believe It" ---- if anyone knows where I can get one please u2u me.

reply to post by Clearskies


Do we even need to talk about all the Christian violence throughout it's existance? Millions have been murdered in Jesus' name. Countless civilizations have been lost, by force! With a history written in blood, christians should never point fingers at others!

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Clearskies

 

Do we even need to talk about all the Christian violence throughout it's existance? Millions have been murdered in Jesus' name. Countless civilizations have been lost, by force! With a history written in blood, christians should never point fingers at others!

I'll try not to drag this out, but you are talking about men; Christianity is not about putting your faith in men, it's about putting your faith in God.

reply to post by Clearskies


No, I just don't see the world in Black and White. Every religion has extremists. Budhists are still the cleanest of the entire lot.

And as for me being an atheist, yes, I keep getting called that, yet I have a very open mind for spiritual things, but a zero tolerance for organized religion trying to impose their less then factual views and fake morals on everyone else.

To be an atheist you have to "believe" in the atheist way of thinking.

I don't, I believe nothing unless I have actual proof, but I do have an open mind for the posibility of there being more to life then our fleshy corpses and biological supercomputers we call our mind/soul.

And with your answer, you don't disagree with me that its bullocks that Jesus Christ would have been the only true and provable progenator of a religion, you just try to attack me with typical religious persons "facts" about a religion I mentioned, doing as so many people do these days, equating the actions of a bunch of extremists to the way of an entire religious faction.

I do know and constantly learn history and I kinda hate people like you who equate the entire history of a religion with a couple fragments out of their existence.

If anyone were to do that with Christianity, look at all the bad it did in its history, and equate Christianity as a whole, from start to current day, to all the bad parts of its history, a truelly peaceful and loving man like Jesus' teachings would be disregarded and all of Christianity would have to be put right next to satanism and other religions of evil.

Jesus had it right, unfortunatly the religion of peace, love and freedom he unwittingly started was hijacked and turned into hatred, control and supression which till today is still in effect.

Christianity as it was intended to be barely exists anymore today, all we're left with are fake jews and clouset fascists hidding behind the banner of Christianity.

reply to post by Bombeni


Christianity is about forcing the rest of the world come to their way of thinking. I was raised a christian, and I am well aware of the mission of the church, conversion of everyone else! It is the core of every post you've made. I, on the other hand, want people to look at all the available spiritual information and then make up their own minds, and I have never met a christian who has done this! In fact, anyone who has, ends up with faith in a belief other than christianity. I'm not saying it's a cult, but it is very cult-like.

Originally posted by Bombeni

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Clearskies

 

Do we even need to talk about all the Christian violence throughout it's existance? Millions have been murdered in Jesus' name. Countless civilizations have been lost, by force! With a history written in blood, christians should never point fingers at others!

I'll try not to drag this out, but you are talking about men; Christianity is not about putting your faith in men, it's about putting your faith in God.

Actually, no, it isn't, its about being the best you can, the nicest you can, in peace with yourself and the world, loving and caring and knowing that we are all equal and thats symbolised by being called the children of god, created in his image.

reply to post by thematrix


Amen! I've always wondered how the most conservative religion in the world was founded by the most liberal Jew that ever was?!?!

reply to post by thematrix


We are both right, it IS about putting your faith in God, as opposed to men; people bring up the Crusades, as though Jesus taught men they should murder in the name of Him. I know all those things were terrible, and there are phony preachers who scam people, get caught in sexual scandals etc. But none of that is of God or His Son who died for us. Just don't equate men with Jesus. And being the best person you can be doesn't hurt either.

reply to post by Bombeni


OK, then let me ask you this: Do you feel it is possible to give your heart and soul to the Divine without being a Christian? Secondly, do you feel that those who don't believe in the divinity of Jesus are doomed to "hell"?

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Bombeni

 

OK, then let me ask you this: Do you feel it is possible to give your heart and soul to the Divine without being a Christian? Secondly, do you feel that those who don't believe in the divinity of Jesus are doomed to "hell"?

I already posted on that, here:


Originally posted by Grafilthy
Quick question......for the Christians....

What happened to all the people who live before Jesus???? Did they all go to hell for not believing in someone who did not exist yet?


The Bible says God will judge all people righteously. It seems there will be a stricter judgment for those who have rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ than those who have never heard. Paul said that those who follow the law will be judged by the law. The people who have never heard of the law are judged by the law of God which He has placed into their hearts:

"For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus." (Romans 2:14-16)

I have to give God a lot more credit than you do; it has never entered my mind that God would haphazardly punish those who never had the chance to reject Him by blatantly refusing the gift of salvation. It's a GIFT.

Let me add that I believe if you live in a place and time to know of the Gospel of Jesus and reject it, then NO I don't believe you will be with God.

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by thematrix

 

We are both right, it IS about putting your faith in God, as opposed to men; people bring up the Crusades, as though Jesus taught men they should murder in the name of Him. I know all those things were terrible, and there are phony preachers who scam people, get caught in sexual scandals etc. But none of that is of God or His Son who died for us. Just don't equate men with Jesus. And being the best person you can be doesn't hurt either.

Nope, wrong again.
The message of all these religions are just what I said, the deism and fire and brimstone crap have all been added afterward for reasons of control and deliberate polution of the message.

That imho is the true fight between good and evil. Up to now, all these religions lost to evil within the first few centuries after their conception by being taken over by control freaks.

Its imposible to be all you can be, the best you can be, as good as you can be, at peace with yourself and the world, and all that, when there is a threat of some deity imposing these things. Which ultimatly make people act like they are like that while they aren't and can't.

reply to post by Bombeni


With that attitude, I hope you don't live in the United States, where our Christian founding fathers gave us the freedom to believe, or not believe, in whatever spiritual system we choose. They saw that the freedom to come to your own decisions regarding faith was a fundamental right of a free people. I have a very personal relationship with the Divine, and nothing you can quote from the Bible is going to change that! We will just have to agree to disagree until we meet on the other side. I'll be the one giggling at the sight of you realizing that everyone goes to the same place in the end!

reply to post by thematrix


Sorry matrix it never ever, not even for a moment, struck me as being a THREAT. Salvation via the Blood of Jesus Christ was like a dream come true when I learned of it. At first I couldn't believe that God could be so loving, generous, and have planned out the way of mankind with such Divine Wisdom. But then, especially after I had children of my own, I began to understood the powerful instincts that comes with parenthood, and why and how God went to such lengths to make me worthy to stand before Him. But it was never a threat, it was a gift.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Bombeni

 

With that attitude, I hope you don't live in the United States, where our Christian founding fathers gave us the freedom to believe, or not believe, in whatever spiritual system we choose. They saw that the freedom to come to your own decisions regarding faith was a fundamental right of a free people. I have a very personal relationship with the Divine, and nothing you can quote from the Bible is going to change that! We will just have to agree to disagree until we meet on the other side. I'll be the one giggling at the sight of you realizing that everyone goes to the same place in the end!

I hope you are right, honestly.

No documents exist anywhere that were written at the time of Jesus that were either written by people who knew him personally or by those who were a witness to his teachings,miracles etc.


An example.

Julius Caesar was real,he wrote about himself and people who lived at the same time as him and people who knew him wrote about him too.We know this because these documents still exist to this day.

But if none of those written works existed,and we only took the word of men like Plutarch who lived after his death,then the validity of who he was and his life would continuously be brought into question.


This example can be used to carobarate the lives and actions of 1000s of people from around the world.But it cannot be used for Jesus because all written knowledge comes after his death,(and resurrection) which means its all 2nd hand,and 2nd hand knowledge can be embelished or twisted or genuine mistakes can be made in the re-telling.

reply to post by jakyll


ROTFLMAO at your signature!!