Pakistan threatens to retaliate against US

True, but im so sick of all these people who act like EVERYTHING the US gov says is false as well. It works both ways. Also funny how so many folks on here act like all the heads of gov of other countries around the world are SO believable. True idiocy.

Originally posted by duffster
reply to post by CaptainCaveMan

 

Looks like you believe everything your government says

And i guess you think 9/11 was all the work of osama bin laden

Just because America says some thing don't mean it's true

Any country has the right to defend its self

reply to post by princeofpeace


It's like that old joke

How do you tell when a politicians are telling lies??

You can see their lips moving


But yes you are correct not every thing the government says it total bs just 99% of it

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Im not sure it matters to be honest.

The USA cannot fight wars and defeat the enemy in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Iran.

But a coalition of Israel, India, Britain and the USA can do it with one arm behind their back (unless Russia intervenes, in which case its stalemate/ armageddon).

All it would take is for India to get involved, there has been
generations of anger built up between India and Pakistan.

Though India is not very trusting of the USA's motives.

The only country with a larger population is China, India's
population is massive at 1.1 billion.

Pakistan is 170,000, quite a difference there.

The Muslims are lucky the Hindu's are mostly peaceful.

Though they have managed to anger the Hindu's into a blind
murderous rage at times, such as after the train burning.

I cannot imagine what a full artillery barrage from the Indian
side would do to Pakistan.

I only see Pakistan resorting to its few dozen nukes if it thinks
India is going to total over run them, and is willing to endure
a return exchange of nukes.

The Axis will be Russia, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, possibly Turkey,
possibly Iraq.

Allies will be few and they will not commit many troops.

It has been that way for awhile, countries committing token
numbers of troops, and placing themselves in lower threat zones.

Not that I blame them for doing that, its just a fact.

I see the US mostly alone on all this, and it seems Bush and Cheney
like it this way. As if they are trying to set the US up to fail.

Might explain why Halliburton relocated to Dubai.

Originally posted by princeofpeace

Doesnt sound to me like they have many balls at all really.

Ohh i wouldn't go that far my freind.Its a muslim country armed with over a 100 nukes and are not scared of death.They know very well that they struggle with india and a whole coaltion against them,they obviously won't stand a chance.

So that basically means they can just press the button and it will be RIP India,US navy,and US bases in Afghanistan along wih pakistan of course.Pakistan would still be on the winning side as they have nothng to lose with plenty of muslims round the world who can repopulate the area in future.But Hindus and sikhs will literally become extinct and US millitary will kinda have its right arm chopped off.

reply to post by Attari


Your entire premise is wrong. Superiority comes from civilized behaviour, not from warfare. India could crush Pakistan, they just choose not to out of respect for human life.

Your attitude and views are sickening. I dont care if you aren't a muslim, you are most definitely an extremist sympathiser.

I find your ability to debate lacking and your character odious. Anyone who idolises the mujahideen doesnt deserve to be engaged in the respectful art of debate... so I shall cease to debate with you.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by Attari

 

Your entire premise is wrong. Superiority comes from civilized behaviour, not from warfare. India could crush Pakistan, they just choose not to out of respect for human life.

Your attitude and views are sickening. I dont care if you aren't a muslim, you are most definitely an extremist sympathiser.

I find your ability to debate lacking and your character odious. Anyone who idolises the mujahideen doesnt deserve to be engaged in the respectful art of debate... so I shall cease to debate with you.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please take note of how to respond to rubbish in a forum.
Well said, well done!

Originally posted by t0ken

Originally posted by princeofpeace

Doesnt sound to me like they have many balls at all really.

Ohh i wouldn't go that far my freind.Its a muslim country armed with over a 100 nukes and are not scared of death.They know very well that they struggle with india and a whole coaltion against them,they obviously won't stand a chance.

Pakistanis are not scared of death? Really? You believe that? I'd be honestly interested in understanding how came to believe such a ridiculous thing. What you seem to be saying is that muslims do not fear death. Is that what you honestly believe?

Perhaps Muslim extremists do not fear death but you couldn't possibly be under the impression that being muslim means you do not value life. Forgive me for saying so but that it is a seemingly bigoted view of an entire religion.

Tell me, would you also say that Christians do not fear death? As a Christian, I am taught that the kingdom of God awaits me upon my death. That being the case, does it then follow that I would just as soon die today and get to Heaven?

The people who live in Pakistan are no different than the rest of us. They want their children to be safe and they want to be around to see them grow. They want to enjoy life. They are not a country of suicidal maniacs.

All i was trying to say is that the US told them in 2001 to either get on board or we will bomb you back to the stone age. Look what happened? If they are so big and bad, then why did they capitulate in the face of a mere threat by the US? Balls? Where were they then?

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by Attari

 

Your entire premise is wrong. Superiority comes from civilized behaviour, not from warfare. India could crush Pakistan, they just choose not to out of respect for human life.

India struggles getting kashmir and you think india can crush pakistan.

And pakistans got nukes now so the whole 'india crushing pakistan' scenario goes out the window.

Your attitude and views are sickening. I dont care if you aren't a muslim, you are most definitely an extremist sympathiser

.

If my views are not similar to yours than how does that make me a 'terrorist sympathiser'?Looks like you have just lost the plot, and i definetly don't sympathise with animal worshippers thats for sure.

I find your ability to debate lacking and your character odious. Anyone who idolises the mujahideen doesnt deserve to be engaged in the respectful art of debate... so I shall cease to debate with you.

You don't have to find a excuse if you can't debate.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
All i was trying to say is that the US told them in 2001 to either get on board or we will bomb you back to the stone age. Look what happened? If they are so big and bad, then why did they capitulate in the face of a mere threat by the US? Balls? Where were they then?

You really think pakistan is gona sacrifice themselves for a few taliban?

Don't forget its the only islamic state that has plenty of nukes and they will take their decisions wisely.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by t0ken

Originally posted by princeofpeace

Doesnt sound to me like they have many balls at all really.

Pakistanis are not scared of death? Really? You believe that? I'd be honestly interested in understanding how came to believe such a ridiculous thing. What you seem to be saying is that muslims do not fear death. Is that what you honestly believe?

Ok so you really think Pakistan is not gona fire nukes after india and US attack it as a coalition?Pakistan's state is gona be as bad as getting nuked after US and india bomb the holy crap out of it.

Perhaps Muslim extremists do not fear death but you couldn't possibly be under the impression that being muslim means you do not value life. Forgive me for saying so but that it is a seemingly bigoted view of an entire religion.

Well i have yet to see a muslim who would fear death fighting a war.They get taught at early age with the idea imbeded in their heads that when it comes to war never be scared of death and death=heaven for a martyr.

Look at muslims in palestine,if they were scared of death they wouldn't go and fight israel knowing well that they are not gona be alive for long.

That being the case, does it then follow that I would just as soon die today and get to Heaven?

I don't really know what christians believe,but muslims believe that dying in a war=martyr=heaven.

The people who live in Pakistan are no different than the rest of us. They want their children to be safe and they want to be around to see them grow. They want to enjoy life. They are not a country of suicidal maniacs.

Like i said when the time comes where they know they're gona get bombed back to caveman age,they are not gona hesitate using their nukes.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by t0ken]

The fight against Islam is taken closer to the core of the problem. If the soldiers were not engaged elsewhere they wold be here at the front line of the war. There is little the Pakistanis can do with the threat of an atomic bomb on Mecca and Islamabad. Pakistanis write from right to left, and carry their bribe money in their pockets at all times. Unless China and Russia put their noses in this stink it can become very nasty indeed.
The only way to stop this miserable project of endless war is to send from above a lightning bolt of Compassion into the hearts of the corporate owners of the weapon industry.

reply to post by duffster


Pakistan doesn't have the ballz to do anything against America, there has been many strikes even after this warning and they have not done anything. The people of that country forgot about the revolution. The revolution Urdu speaking people brought against the Imperialist British. Once they recognize that they are not gods, and that they are as equal as the rest, than they will be free.

The bigger picture here is that what we are seeing is the formation of an alliance by the following countries, Russia, India, China, Iran, Syria, Pakistan and possibly a few others. These countries will stand together against the US and the West.

Its all part of the plan that is being carried out by the parasites that run this Planet and that is ww3. The US is desperate in trying to gain support from other nations as the Goverment knows that other Goverments do not trust the US Goverment any more and see them as a bad risk and a war mongering nation.

All these incidents in the region are all connected with the sole purpose to achieve a number of objectives, one being the control of ME oil and the other is trying to contain an emerging superpower China and a reborn Russian superpower. That said, Russia still is a superpower when it comes to nukes and unlike the American people who cannot stomach war the people of aforementioned nations will do what ever it takes to stop America and the West trying to pen them in.

The pieces of the jigsaw are slowly coming together, and its not a question of if it will happen but when.

This is just for consumption in Pakistan. Pakistan has agreed to help us more after Bush gave the in-term prime minister a tongue lashing a month or so ago. This is the end result in the U.S. doing more strikes. Its paying off big time. We must have some good Intel now.

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan: Two top al-Qaida operatives were among four foreign militants killed in a suspected US missile strike in Pakistan's northwest, intelligence officials said on Wednesday.

One allegedly was in charge of the terror network's activities in Pakistan's tribal regions, semiautonomous areas that the US fears have become a haven for al-Qaida and Taliban fighters involved in attacks on American and NATO forces in neighboring Afghanistan.

The suspected missile strike occurred Monday in the North Waziristan tribal region, destroying a seminary and houses associated with a Taliban commander.

The presence of al-Qaida operatives added to evidence of cooperation between homegrown militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the largely Arab terror group. The tribal belt is considered a possible hiding place for Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri.

Several suspected missile strikes in recent days indicated the US is escalating direct efforts to root out militants along the lengthy, porous Afghan-Pakistan border. The US military and the CIA operate drone aircraft believed to have carried out such strikes, including ones that killed two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

Flawed. Pakistan knew that if they capitulated the very same thing that is happening right now could potentially occur and they let the US do what they wanted to anyway. This is nothing new and they wont do anything now. They knew going into this that that there could be repercussions they wouldnt like.

Sounds like to me that if they had BALLS then they wouldnt have let the US do what they did to begin with.

Originally posted by Attari

Originally posted by princeofpeace
All i was trying to say is that the US told them in 2001 to either get on board or we will bomb you back to the stone age. Look what happened? If they are so big and bad, then why did they capitulate in the face of a mere threat by the US? Balls? Where were they then?

You really think pakistan is gona sacrifice themselves for a few taliban?

Don't forget its the only islamic state that has plenty of nukes and they will take their decisions wisely.

reply to post by 44soulslayer


First of all, India is not an aggressive country, nor would it ever attack any other - this is deeply imbedded into their religion.

Secondly, if USA attacked Pakistan, then Pakistan could nuke US interests in the region, which is a risk USA cannot afford.

reply to post by Manincloak


I agree.

However India would shore up control of the pakistani side of the LoC of Kashmir. In essence, they would be taking back their own territory.

Also Pakistan's nuclear deterrent is of dubious credibility... numbering 100 at the most, and based on culled Chinese and North Korean delivery mechanisms, they are highly unreliable. A coordinated tactical strike by missile/ special forces could eliminate the entire arsenal instantly.

Only countries with blue water deployed nuclear deterrents such as Russia, USA (minuteman) and UK (Trident) are truly "invincible".

Originally posted by lee anoma
If the Mexican military crossed the border chasing a suspect and saw him duck behind a house on the U.S. side and decide to shower the house with bullets killing our civilians as well as their suspect there would and should be hell to pay.

Are you kidding me? where have you been? this has happened more than once already and we didn't do squat!

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[edit on 11-9-2008 by Fathom]

Hi all,

This is my first ever post on ATS.

I am an Indian (proud to be one) live in India and appalled by the insanity that I see in this thread.

Can we please

a) Cut out the macho bravado about whether India or Pakistan can annihilate one another or not? Whatever may be the case, believe me, no one really wants to find out. Dont mistake me for a dove...but I am no hooked nose hawk either.

b) I am a Hindu but I have also studied the Muslim religion and I respect the good that it offers. It has contributed a lot to India and so have Muslims in the Indian armed forces in its wars against Pakistan. BTW, nowhere does it advocate fanatiscism in the name of religion ( look it up) and in any case, religious extremism is bad, be it a Hindu or a Muslim or a Christian or whatever.

c) Rhetoric and posturing is definitely part of politics. Does it ever strike you guys that the extremists in Pakistan will allow the civilian government to continue staying in power if the US keeps on attacking them? Some in Pakistan may perceive this as a destabilising move, the US has obviously done its homework on the political scenario before going ahead.

A scenario could also be where the Pakis tell the US in private to clean up the mess since they cant do it without angering the people in Pakistan or because their armed forces are so riddled with sympathisers to the extremists that the element of suprise would be lost ( it has happened so many times before), and to keep up their public facade, get into aggressive posturing???

Cheers all!