Biden: Israel should accept nuclear Iran

Originally posted by xbranscombex
reply to post by Horza

 

Wrong.

82% of Americans DO NOT want a Nuclear Iran.

However, 54% oppose using airstrikes to stop it. And I suspect if the realistic options were offered - another major war in the Persian Gulf vs. allowing the Iranians to proceed, the number opposed would go far higher.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by SectionEight

 

Nope, not at all. What you see is the future of america. Independent and motivated by it's continental interests, not the interest of our biased duel Israeli-American citizens who only pretend to have US interest in mind.

There is a new direction we are seeking. Sorry if you don't accept, it will accept you no matter.

AAC

Hey, take a look out your window at reallity. Last time I checked the country is as divided today as in the last two elections. This race is a deadlock and boneheaded mistakes like Biden's will cost them a few percentage points, and that is all it takes to lose the presidency.
Next time you speak for the majority of america with "we", make sure there actually is a majority.
This highlights weak foreign policy and is a 180 degree turn from Biden's on the record remarks throughout his career. Obama has turned Biden into a wimp, not the experienced well seasoned attack dog that he desperately needed.

Hey, take a look out your window at reallity. Last time I checked the country is as divided

Yup. Has been since the civil war.

Next time you speak for the majority of america with "we", make sure there actually is a majority.

Outside of the crazy envangelicals, the majority of americans are tired of israel policy.

This highlights weak foreign policy and is a 180 degree turn from Biden's on the record remarks throughout his career.

He is simply stating the obvious. Iran will be nuclear and Israel can't do anything about it without starting wwiii. And americans don't care that much about israel to see the fall of their own empire.

Obama has turned Biden into a wimp, not the experienced well seasoned attack dog that he desperately needed.

Nobody makes Biden anything, and that is why Obama picked him. You are showing your bias, that's it. Your perspective is not actual, imo.

AAC

Tough one... nukes are not going away any time soon!

So...
I think that they should have nukes. Just like north Korea. We don't see USA going into North Korea huh? No oil or anything there for the elites to get in their greedy lard covered hands. What ever happened to them in the media anyway..? Sounds like the propaganda machine made them fall off the face of the earth again!
We don't want people asking why Iran is so bad when North Korea is around eh...

So yeah. I think Iran should have nuclear weapons. Keeps the corrupt yankee govt at bay and the Jews... what a bonus. If you were Iran put in the spotlight and painted as the worst thing since thermal expansion, you would be doing the exact same thing.

Biden Denies Saying Israel Will Have to ‘Reconcile’ With Nuclear Iran

Joe Biden’s spokesman vehemently denied a report in an Israeli newspaper Monday that said the Delaware senator was quoted saying Israel would have to “reconcile” itself with a nuclear Iran.

The report appeared in Haaretz, quoting an un-sourced report from Israel’s Army Radio that said Barack Obama’s running mate made the remarks behind closed doors with unnamed senior Israeli officials.

“This is a lie peddled by partisan opponents of Senators Obama and Biden and we will not tolerate anyone questioning Senator Biden’s 35-year record of standing up for the security of Israel,” Biden spokesman David Wade said, stressing Biden’s view that a nuclear Iran would pose a “grave threat to Israel and the United States.”

Israeli officials also said the original story appeared “dubious.”

“We have no idea if someone is misinterpreting a statement or if Biden really could have said this because it sounds incoherent,” one Israeli foreign ministry source told FOX News. “It’s a bit odd that Biden would say something like this. If someone had to reconcile itself with a nuclear Iran it would be the U.S. It sounds not like him.”

Biden is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and considered a strong Israel ally.

Haaretz reported that he told Israeli officials that their country “will have to reconcile itself with the nuclearization of Iran.”

He also reportedly said, “It’s doubtful if the economic sanctions will be effective, and I am against opening an additional military and diplomatic front.”

(FOXNews.com)

Originally posted by TheRedneck
I do not trust Iran, sorry. And if Biden has this much trust in Iran, I will probably feel the need to pull the lever for McCain this time around. A shame, because I was leaning ever so slightly toward the Obama camp.

TheRedneck

I don't trust Iran necessarily either. But I will somewhat trust the IAEA to do it's job. And it has been doing that job quite extensively for a lot of years keeping Iran pinned up against a wall. What is the problem with letting Iran have nuclear energy as a power source, as long as the IAEA KEEPS doing its job? Hell if they get nuclear power, and after that they refuse inspectors again, level the damn things.

I'd of liked to seen Israel weather the same IAEA storm.... Yeah right.

God may have chosen Israelis as His people, but I never read anything that said they were to be granted impunity among the nuclear superpowers.

Furthermore, all the comments about Israel's seeming phantasmic ability to evade the nuclear police never seem to really get answered around here, as well as on other forums. They are the "untouchable" ones for some reason.

i agree with him. iran is a signatory to the NNPT. israel is not. israel needs to learn how to play with others as much as iran does. the u.s. always blindly supporting israel costs us all credibility in the geopolitical sphere.

reply to post by chips

ugh. they're all driving me crazy. crazy i tell ya!

OK, I need to clarify a few things:

I do not speak Arabic. Sorry. I can barely speak American. So when someone gives me a quote in Arabic, you might as well make it Swahili or Hebrew or Chinese. It's all Greek to me.

Now, if Iran didn't make those comments, that is one thing. But I don't see Iran necessarily making any peaceful moves either. I seem to remember the Iranian Hostage Crisis back in the 70s, when innocent Americans were held hostage for a few hundred days by the Ayatollah Khomeini.

So I'm sorry, I still do not trust Iran. If you do, then great. In the meantime, I will still exercise caution when dealing with a country that consistently advocates human rights violations, ignores UN resolutions, makes threats to other nations, and kidnaps innocent citizens.

For the anti-semites here, go ahead and bash Israel. It is the smallest country there, surrounded by historic enemies. There are regular attacks by Hamas in Lebanon, attacks which target women and children. The ME peace process has been hampered by the Palestinians, not by Israel (unless you want to count them refusing to disappear). I will support the US backing them as long as they are not on the side of wrong. They have nukes, yes. They have not used them, nor have they threatened to use them without extreme provocation. But if I have a gun in my house, I still don't want the guy trying to break in to have one. That's just.... dumb... sorry.

Oh, yeah, and someone else brought up 'God's chosen people'... not me. Oopsy...

TheRedneck
P.S.: this is sorta a moot point anyway, if as reported above, Biden did not make that comment. He has a pro-Israeli record.

Originally posted by DJMessiah

Originally posted by all2human
Yes, but a nuclear Iran doesn't mean a nuclear ARMED Iran

Of course it doesn't, but when people hear "nuclear" Iran on the news, and are misinformed, they automatically assume an Iran with nuclear weapons.

That's because the technology to manufacture both nuclear fuel rods for a reactor core and nuclear weapons is largely the same. If you have the capability to create one, you can create the other.

Biden's comments to me conflict with Obama's repeated statements that "Iran must not get the bomb".

It has always been the accepted dogma that two opposing countries that are nuclear armed practically guarantees that those arms will not be used because of "mutually guaranteed destruction". Why has this principle been conveniently ignored when it comes to a nuclear Iran? Trust? Did the US trust Russia in the cold war? Does India trust Pakistan? Distrust is necessary! It keeps opponents on guard! Lack of trust is not an excuse to use against Iran. If Iran had nuclear weapons Israel would not think of attacking it preemptively. The same with the US and Iraq. North Korea has nuclear weapons, why doesn't the US conduct a preemptive strike, after all they are part of the "axis of evil"? I rest my case.

Well it was just a lie perpetuated by those with an agenda apparantley. Now we have to figure out who perpetuated the lie. Who was the individual at the haaretz that gave the green light to publish this? Who was the individual that submitted this story and the "alleged fictional dialogue" to the editor? In reference to the person in the previous question, where di they get that source? Was it stateside or Israeli side?

Was the confessor an American national, Israeli national, or foreign?

How can we answer these questions?

The Iranian leadership saying that their nuclear program is for peaceful civilian purposes is like the U.S. leadership saying that they are not going to war for oil.

Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by DJMessiah

Originally posted by all2human
Yes, but a nuclear Iran doesn't mean a nuclear ARMED Iran

That's because the technology to manufacture both nuclear fuel rods for a reactor core and nuclear weapons is largely the same. If you have the capability to create one, you can create the other.

To correct you not the same weapons Grade is much more refined You just cant take somthing radio active and blow it up doesnt work that way.

reply to post by ergoli


I visited the link - it's an Iranian Web site, full of edifying headlines such as "Iran welcomes advent of Ramadan" and "Bolivia cements Iran ties amid US dismay" that create the false impression we constantly hang on every word of the psychopath who runs that country. Nice for the folks at home, and indeed, prominent on the site's masthead is a "Persian section" for Yusuf Six-Pack to read (assuming that Yusuf is into alcohol-free beer).

The same Web site also carries this article:

www.presstv.com...

"Biden denies 'nuclear' Iran comment
Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:50:32 GMT
Democratic vice presidential candidate, Senator Joe Biden
Spokesman for US Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden has denied he said Israel would have to come to terms with a nuclear Iran.

Israeli's Haaretz newspaper on Monday cited a report by Israel's Army Radio which said Senator Biden had told Israeli officials behind closed doors that sooner or later 'they would have to reconcile themselves to the reality of a nuclear-armed Iran'.

"This is a lie peddled by partisan opponents of Senators [Barack] Obama and Biden and we will not tolerate anyone questioning Senator Biden's 35-year record of standing up for the security of Israel," Biden press secretary David Wade said in a statement.

The report that was widely circulated in Israel also said that the Delaware senator had expressed doubt about the effectiveness of economic sanctions against Iran's nuclear program.

Western countries accuse Tehran of pursuing a military nuclear program and under such pretext seek to portray the country as a threat to regional and global security. "

They report, you go "snerk."

Now, if Iran didn't make those comments, that is one thing. But I don't see Iran necessarily making any peaceful moves either. I seem to remember the Iranian Hostage Crisis back in the 70s, when innocent Americans were held hostage for a few hundred days by the Ayatollah Khomeini.

To be fair, from the Iranian P.O.V., they did that because we overthrew their democratically-elected government, and held their entire country hostage to a brutal monarch for more than 25 years.

The Iranians may hate us - though I suspect this is more true of their ruling class than the population - but we've given them pretty good reason to.

Overthrowing republics because we want their oil, shooting down airliners - this kind of thing tends to piss people off.

As far as "Biden's comment" it appears that he never made it.
Which is a shame, he should have.

reply to post by TheRedneck



Don't go with McCain, it really doesn't even matter. Everything is already planned out for us by the higher ups who actually run this government. Whoever they want in the white house will end up in the white house. Everything you see in the media is controlled and falsified. Just look at the Georgian conflict, Americans are being told that Russia is invading Georgia. When in fact its Georgia who is bombing its own people and the Russians are trying to stop them. If you look up on YouTube you can find a video of 12 year old girl being cut off by Fox News because she SPOKE THE TRUTH!! The link will be at the end to the video. But of course our media lies to us because they're told to by the higher ups. Then the public will believe what they're told thinking its the truth. When in reality its fake, censored news from the Neocons trying to take over the world and trick you into supporting another fake war just like Iraq and the Inside Job ordered by Bush himself called "9-11-01".

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reply to post by Anonymous ATS

Why's Biden denying he said it, then?

If these remarks were (a) Biden's and (b) all that great, you'd think he'd stand behind what he said instead of disavowing it.

But what is Biden doing talking to Israeli leaders, anyway? He and his glib boss aren't going to win this, any more than Dukakis won in '88 after he led in the polls at this time of the campaign. There just aren't enough ecstacy-swilling Gen-Xers on the voter rolls to deliver this one to Obama bin Lying.

The flurry of press reports that Governor Palin might have been less than fair to a wife-beater who tasered his own 11 year-old son and expected to hold on to his job in the Alaska State Police reveals the wave of despair running through the Obama campaign and their open sympathizers in the national press. Weak, absurd accusations and sexist crap about Gov. Palin being unqualified because she's attractive - after all of Michelle Obama's apparent insincerity at the DNC about "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" - shows that the Democrats only believe in fair treatment for themselves, not for the rest of us. Hypocritical scum.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by vfrickey]

Ya the state of Israel is running out of time i think. They should just face the fact that they stole that land unfair and square. I cant wait for a Higher Power to come back to Earth and whip us clean of this corruption. Iran doesnt need Nukes but nor does the US need about +7000 . JUSTICE IS COMING TO ALL ON EARTH 2012

Originally posted by all2human
Here is a few quotes from Iran:

"The real cure for the conflict is elimination of the Zionist regime"
"The way to peace in the Middle East is the destruction of Israel"
"like it or not, the Zionist regime is headed toward annihilation"
"The Zionist regime is a rotten,dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm"
"The rage of the Muslim peoples will not be restricted to the boundaries of our region... the waves of the explosion...will reach the corrupt forces which support this fake regime"

It doesn't get much clearer than this

www.theisraelproject.org...
Iran's Leaders: In their own words





[edit on 1-9-2008 by all2human]

so, how is this different from:

'we will bomb you to stone age"

or

'we will strike you with nuclear bombs'


every intelligent person knows that if you threaten someone he will threaten you back...

I am really sorry that you cannot comprehend this simple fact