Biden: Israel should accept nuclear Iran

Biden: Israel should accept nuclear Iran

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The US Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden has advised senior Israeli officials to come to terms with a 'nuclear' Iran.

In a clandestine meeting with unnamed Israeli officials, which was partially covered by the US Jewish Army Radio, Barack Obama's vice-presidential nominee said, "Israel will have to reconcile itself with the nuclearization of Iran."

According to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Biden, a six-time Delaware Senator and chairperson of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told the "amazed" officials, "It's doubtful if the economic sanctions will be effective, and I am against opening an additional military and diplomatic front."

Biden has been a Senator for Delaware since 1973, and is running mate to Barack Obama in the race for the presidency of the United States.

The pro-Israeli Senator also said that Israel is America's biggest ally in the Middle East and its strategic alliance has allowed the US to deploy fewer troops and warships in the region.

Iran says its nuclear program is only for civilian purposes but the Israeli regime and the US accuse the country of seeking nuclear weapons.

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A rather wise insight by the democratic vice-presidential nominee. Iran's right to nuclear energy is internationally guaranteed by the NPT, to which Iran and USA are signatories. (unlike India or Israel)

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It appears that Biden is the first one to stand up and point out the obvious. This is a far cry from “bomb, bomb, Iran.” This statement needs to ring loud, and most people in the U.S. should stop fearing to say so. Iran seeks nuclear power as an energy source; Israel went behind the world’s back and produced nuclear weapons; have yet to officially acknowledge there existence; nor is a party to nuclear treaties Iran is willing to be party to. This over-accountablity of Muslim states seeking nuclear power for energy versus a non-accountable, armed and threatening regional power, which states is not a threat to humanity, but has a UN Resolution rap sheet that begs to differ.
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Yes, but a nuclear Iran doesn't mean a nuclear ARMED Iran

Isreal/USA has a right to be defensive of a country who's leader, has openly suggested he wants to wipe Israel off the map.




[edit on 1-9-2008 by all2human]

Originally posted by all2human
Yes, but a nuclear Iran doesn't mean a nuclear ARMED Iran

Of course it doesn't, but when people hear "nuclear" Iran on the news, and are misinformed, they automatically assume an Iran with nuclear weapons.

Same goes with "Iran obtaining nuclear technology." People assume they're trying to find the technology to make a bomb, not build an energy plant for its citizens.

News and media propoganda has already done its damage, and because of it people are willing to go to war with Iran because they haven't realized they've been misled by the media.

Iran hasn't done anything I don't know why Israel hates them so much. Yeah they are seeking nuclear technology but look at israel they have nukes, the united states has nukes, why should we be going around the world telling who can have stuff and who can not? it sickens me, israel does need to be wiped off the map.

Obama just lost the race.

How many times have we heard that already this campaign?

I think the vast majority of Americans don't really give a rats behind about Iran, and certainly are not keen to invade and occupy it - which is the only way to ensure Iran doesn't develop nuclear weapons.

I have no problem with Iran (or anyone else for that matter) having nuclear power. I do have a problem with anyone, including Iran, who has openly stated a desire to 'wipe off the map' another country having nuclear weaponry.

Iran has said just that. There have also been reports that their nuclear enrichment program has gone well beyond the 5% enrichment needed for nuclear energy. Anything above this 5% benchmark gives no return for investment in an energy plant. At, I believe, 90% the fuel is capable of powering a nuclear warhead. So why is their program enriching uranium past the optimum level for nuclear power? And why is it so hard to verify their intentions with the UN (a corrupt organization, but still the only true international agency)?

I do not trust Iran, sorry. And if Biden has this much trust in Iran, I will probably feel the need to pull the lever for McCain this time around. A shame, because I was leaning ever so slightly toward the Obama camp.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by SectionEight
Obama just lost the race.

Naaaah ... this is what Americans want ... change ... they want a government that is willing to be an responsible and reasonable adult instead of a big snotty nose school yard bully that eats to much junk food and picks it's nose and wipes it on the smaller kids.

I think America want truth and justice ... whether or not Obama/Biden are going to give them that is another story, but this is a step in the right direction.

And, to point out, that yes I am an Australian citizen, however!! ... 3/4 of my very large family are U.S. citizens, my father included, who are traditionally swinging voters ... so yes I do have the heads up on what some of the American public want for the next administration.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
I have no problem with Iran (or anyone else for that matter) having nuclear power. I do have a problem with anyone, including Iran, who has openly stated a desire to 'wipe off the map' another country having nuclear weaponry.

Iran has said just that.

Then you must still have no problem because they never said that. You were one of millions who were lied to about the "wipe off the map" misquote.

As I have explained in my post from another thread.

He said in Farsi: "Imam ghofteen rezhim'e ishghalgar'-e qods bayad az safheh ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

Now that you know the truth, how do you feel about Iran?

reply to post by Horza




Wrong.

82% of Americans DO NOT want a Nuclear Iran.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
I have no problem with Iran (or anyone else for that matter) having nuclear power. I do have a problem with anyone, including Iran, who has openly stated a desire to 'wipe off the map' another country having nuclear weaponry.

Amazes me how there are still people, even on ATS, who choose to remain dangerously ignorant to the fact that Iran/Ahmadinejad never said "Israel must be wiped off the map"... but just for the hell of it, as pointless as it is, I'll fill you in yet again.

The Rumor of the Century

The Actual Quote:
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel."

In the past it was India and Pakistan, then it was Korea, now it's Iran. For Israel to start a war over nuclear power is like searching for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq....again. Um, no, we already used that one Israel. Pick another card.

Originally posted by all2human
Yes, but a nuclear Iran doesn't mean a nuclear ARMED Iran

Isreal/USA has a right to be defensive of a country who's leader, has openly stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map.

That comment was mis-translated... for the 100th time already.

Here is a few quotes from Iran:

"The real cure for the conflict is elimination of the Zionist regime"
"The way to peace in the Middle East is the destruction of Israel"
"like it or not, the Zionist regime is headed toward annihilation"
"The Zionist regime is a rotten,dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm"
"The rage of the Muslim peoples will not be restricted to the boundaries of our region... the waves of the explosion...will reach the corrupt forces which support this fake regime"

It doesn't get much clearer than this


www.theisraelproject.org...
Iran's Leaders: In their own words





[edit on 1-9-2008 by all2human]

Originally posted by xbranscombex
reply to post by Horza

 

Wrong.

82% of Americans DO NOT want a Nuclear Iran.

I would say that 82% of Americans do not want an Iran with nuclear weapons ... and I would agree with them ... I wish all nuclear weapons would disappear from the pages of time ... but how do they feel about an Iran that uses nuclear power for civilian purposes only?

Was the poll that arrived at the 82% statistic (I am assuming that you have a source for that) clear that it was differentiating between military nuclear weapons and civilian nuclear power?

BTW ... can you show that source please?

Originally posted by DJMessiah

He said in Farsi: "Imam ghofteen rezhim'e ishghalgar'-e qods bayad az safheh ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

Now that you know the truth, how do you feel about Iran?

I agree that it was misquoted ... however ...

How does one interpret:

"... disappear from the pages of time?

It sounds pretty confrontational to me.

It's not like he is putting it in the context of " ... I wish I could forget the time that I got so drunk that I threw up in the Ayatollahs shoes"

He is saying that he wants the Zionist regime to be disappear (wiped maybe???) from the pages of history (face of the map maybe???).

Yes it was sensationalised for propaganda purposes ... but the context in which it was said is in the "wiped from the map" ball park.

edit - addition of info

[edit on 1/9/08 by Horza]

reply to post by SectionEight


Nope, not at all. What you see is the future of america. Independent and motivated by it's continental interests, not the interest of our biased duel Israeli-American citizens who only pretend to have US interest in mind.

There is a new direction we are seeking. Sorry if you don't accept, it will accept you no matter.

AAC

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
Iran hasn't done anything I don't know why Israel hates them so much. Yeah they are seeking nuclear technology but look at israel they have nukes, the united states has nukes, why should we be going around the world telling who can have stuff and who can not? it sickens me, israel does need to be wiped off the map.

ya its not like some of their soldiers were found fighting Americans in iraq. and its not like the highly sophisticated road side bombs came from iran or anything