Why Ghosts are not Real

"ghosts "that is to say" our dearly departed" speaking to the livining.i'm
pretty sure harry houdini proved that is n't the case. i'm sure this video
provides the explanation. the real truth of the matter. accept or reject
in the end this will be the universal truth.no ifs ands or butts.

reply to post by Soulstone


Hi,

I have a bit of a problem. I have been seeing things, hearing things feelings things- ghosts shapes, voices since I was 4 and can remember quite clearly every event.

I have tried my hardest to explain it all as do not want to belive or dis believe what i see etc.

My soon to be brother in law explained that his friend had violent dilusions of being stabbed and was later found out to be a Schizophrenic...I said to him, is that what you are saying I could be- He said no, but the brain is like a camera, the slightest change to the zoom can show a picture differently from one person to the next, now i have had a time when my father and brother died a year apart 10 years ago- I used drugs stupidly then...but not before and have seen these things al my life.

I am almost trying to understand my mind and how it works etc, as to be honest..im baffled...I used to be scared but now embrace this.

In short, I do not know what it is I hear or see, but I do know 70 years ago plus, if I were to say this in public I would receive electric treatment or similar from the medics and scientists fo the day.

Whos to say, whether I am nuts or jus in tune..I do hope that someone cracks the answer soon though, as I could do with knowing.

Anyone got any tips on where I cAN FIND FACTS ABOUT THIS PLEASE ??

sorry no tips really - just a personal fact which you can do with what you like. i saw a ghost (right after seeing what i thought was a ghost cat - which i now believe was a shadow cat holding the ghost captive. i can elaborate if someone wants me to) and the look on my face prompted the person i was with (resident of the house) to say "you saw the ghost didnt you"

that was enough proof for me. either we had a telepathic experience (unlikely but vaguely possible) or i saw a ghost that had been experienced in that house multiple times over the years.

so what you are seeing could be real - could be your imagination - could be a combo of the two

edit to add a great resource for reliable information on the subject is researcher Heidi Hollis u can find her on youtube

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Thanks for your help, I do actually believe in ghosts but get confused by the ´scientific´answers etc.

I have been watching the A trip into the supernatural since I posted, OMG !

Theres alot to think about out there eh !

I wonder what is real and not sometimes.

Thanks though will check out that lady

Take care

I believe in spirits, because I have witnessed them. That may not be proof for others, but for me it is definitely worth noting. I don't consider myself a natural. I only started having experiences when I started to seek knowledge of the paranormal about 5 years ago(excepting one recalled experience as a kid). I figured the only way to find out if it was real was to try things myself(meditation, energy work, etc).

I'm open to the possibility that it could be in my head, but since I have less than one experience a year I don't see it as being a problem. I've had various brain scans in recent years for something unrelated and no abnormalities were detected(think CAT and MRI, but I'm not positive).

And there have been reports of ghost animals before. I recall many stories of cats in particular. I once may have seen a ghost puppy myself.

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opening yourself up to those types of experiences definitely increases your chances of seeing or experiencing something

at the very least it goes like this: if you are totally unwilling to accept something as part of reality, how is your brain going to respond when said thing flashes in the corner of your eye? its going to look right through it, and here's an example of why: when you are facing a white wall, any blemishes will only be visible if you are looking directly at them. the rest of the wall will apear to be perfectly white. this is because in order to save energy, your brain 'fills in the blanks' so to speak, and so long as its doing so, it might as well fill them in with what it likes or thinks to be 'ideal reality'. in that way, our perception of reality is ultimately responsible for what we eventually perceive.

or, stated shortly
"speak of the devil, and he shall appear"

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Ghosts have been recorded in history for thousands of years, but you'll never really believe it until you experience it for yourself, and even then it can still be hard. It's much easier and far more comforting to just explain it away as being something non-paranormal, because we naturally fear the unknown. But for better or worse, some of us have had that nice explanation yanked away from us, and have to face the fact that they do exist and it's a bit beyond our understanding.

If you don't want to believe, then don't believe... In some ways, being aware of this stuff is a curse anyway. But don't try to go around saying it's fake, or have some debate about it... that's just silly. The only thing in this universe that is truly impossible is to prove that something is impossible or doesn't exist, because unless you are the creator of said universe, you have an overwhelming lack of information about what's really possible or not. We can only go by what we've seen and experienced, and not a lack thereof. You may not have seen anything, but countless people have.

I happen to know that ghosts are real, no I can't see dead people, and no I'm not a bogus John Edward crossing over cold reading charlatan, I don't tell too many people and I don't seek money from it, I just know when certain locations are visited in real time by concuous ghosts, it's a talent or a gift or maybe everyone can have this, it's a type of sensitivity that I wouldn't even classify as psychic, it's just sensitive in general, are you sensitive enough to see a cyote off in the distance before your dog sees it? Are you sensitive enough to medidtate and listen, can you tell when someone is bad just by a feeling you get? If you can't take the time to smell the roses, if you can't take the time to meditate, take the time to look around, then chances are you are not sensitive enough to feel the presence of a being that is in another dimension, a being barley noticable by living beings, it goes beyond looking for them, I don't look for them and they seem to pop up in random places, I usually don't acknowledge their existance because I don't want them following me home, sounds like a joke but it's not, I answered a questionnaire and filled out a form for the sci-fi channel once and they wanted me to be on their show, it was called, The Gift, or something like that, but I decided not to go to the audition because I felt I might somehow be selling out, selling my ability to entertain stargate fans, to the point that people would think I was a phoney, and because I think the mixing of fame or money with this talent is selling out I chose not to do it, and from what I've seen this Gift show never aired, probably got cancelled before it got off the ground.

I nor anyone can prove to you that Ghosts exist, but just try to pay attention and become closer to nature and maybe you will experience something one day, but I wouldn't ever expect to convince you.

I agree. The more and more I think about it the more I belive what I have seen was real. I now know that I have seen ghosts all my life. The other day I had a feeling to do something with a particular client of mine. It was a new client and I had 23 in total but something just told me to write a different way to this one. I had a feeling he was a big client. Then after 10 days he came back to me confirming my feeling.

To be honest that is one example, I can tell people what they are about to say, look into someones eyes and no they are bad ro good and also pick up on general energy. I have re assessed my life now and realise I have been doing this since I was born. But also beleive that it is the spirit world guiding me. One problem I have, I watched the DVD link on you tube from this post, and the next and the next..it freaked me out as it said that ALL ghosts were satans army pretending to be your relatives or similar. It took me another few days to go through this in my brain, constantly battling with why are his angels interfering and the ones we refer to as good not. Then after I had decided it didnt matter to me, as I was going to carry on using my mind and heart for good...a feather dropped into my lap or table or infornt of me over the next 5 days...I knew I had chosen the right way of thinking.

Maybe I am not making sense but I would love to hear peoples thoughts on the above.

Hi
I was posting on another ghost thread when i spotted this one.
I afraid GHOSTS are very real, heres a post i wrote previously on the subject:
Ghosts, Spirits or as i like to call them ZPE beings, if my theory is correct.
I grew up in a haunted house, shadows crossing the stairs; waking early one morning and seeing a lady dressed in a victorian maid outfit looking at me. She was as solid as any physical normal human; I was sent to do the dishes as a child into the kitchen and the cellar door would open and I would have to fight my way back into the living room where my family were because I was being pulled towards the cellar door.....my parents told me I was dreaming that I had and it didn't really happen. They didn't believe me. I was 7 at the time so who would have.
So now in my 40's I have spent alot of my life studying and learning Parapsychology and Physics....What do they have in common ??
ZPE ....Zero Point Energy and Theta waves. Something I've been theorizing about to explain in the simplest terms possible; No Religion and No mysticism...
A dog can bark at what seems to be nothing (a dogs brain is constantly in theta and can even sense the arrival of their owner).
A medium may also have a simular working brain, a constant theta or an even more readily available conscious theta switch, a genetic trait from an ancient gene pool.
ZPE(Zero Point Energy) The power of the Ether is everywhere in everything, a possible plain of existence yet a faster and more ellusive plain.
We are a biological brain wave factory, when we die are our brain waves accelerated into the ether and survive as beings of energy? Dogs and mediums see these "SPIRITS" due to their Theta brainwave activity. Maybe there is a link there, I don't know, its a theory. I have no H.A.R.P facility to help generate artificial theta waves or even in any situation to try and back up my theory, so theory it will stay.
Just imagine, Theta Phone to your dead relatives?

Recent scientific discoveries solreka.com...

p.s I will try to answer the original questions to this thread in detail soon.



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Are you dead SoulStone? No, well then how do you know if "spirits" know they're dead or not?

WHY DO GHOSTS WEAR CLOTHING
WHY CAN'T GHOST BELIEVERS GIVE AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER?



For those who believe in ghosts, please try to answer this question in a LOGICAL way. It is my understanding as a Skeptic, that ghost believers discribe a ghosts as a disembodied spirit. It is suppose to be a spirit trapped in this world that needs to cross over. I am still having problems with the definition of crossing over. Crossing over what? A toll bridge? A valley? A river? A large lake? A finish line? Beats me!!! I am sure that ghost believers picked this terminology up off television. They don't know what it means but they like to use it because they think it sound good and people will believe that they actually know what they are talking about.

Sooooooooo in order to be a ghost, you have to have a body indwelled by a spirit. I certainly agree with the part about your body being indwelled by a spirit. That part is true.

Now then, tell me why a ghost is wearing clothing every time it is described by someone that claims to have ghostly encounter? We should all be intelligent enough to know that clothing is a material item without a spirit. So using the ghost hunters theory it would be impossible for clothing to materialize into a ghost. Could there be some kind of magic dust sprinkled on it at the ghost clothing store that makes it materialize? This of course is a statement made with tongue in cheek.

So now we know that anyone with any common sense would or should believe that material items can not materialize into a ghost. Since that is the case, on every encounter, believers should be seeing a spirit running around in the nude.

There are only two things on this earth that are in the spirit realm. Demons and Angels. When you have an encounter, which one do you believe you see?


Mod Edit: Save the snidey remarks, the drugs references and the general condescending attitude - you might actually get a few decent replies that way. Cheers - alien

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Eh, it'd be a bit difficult for me to deny the things I've seen my entire life. I don't have any physical evidence, only my own memories which i know isn't good enough and i don't expect it to be. I've been able to debunk some things and others still baffle me. It'd be interesting for someone to disprove their existence in full.

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I think ghosts wear clothing because their image is an imprint from their memories or how they saw themselves. People can develop strong emotional ties to places and/or objects so it doesn't seem irrational they would not want to part with it in death. If they were to be attached and knowingly or unknowingly still hang around it would make sense for them to appear as they had while they were still alive and able to appreciate whatever it is they held dear.

Originally posted by Soulstone

If ghosts or spirits are real why aren't there reported sightings all over NYC after 9/11. Shouldn't the old WTC ruins be completely amassed with ghosts?

You might find this story interesting. It's about the Flt 93 crash site in Shanksville PA. It was haunted for a while after the crash.

www.thefolklorist.com...

The original article requires registering with the site it's stored on, so this link was as close as I could get to it.

As far as why it's so rare for "ghosts" to be detectable - let alone visible - the actual physical nature of what we call ghosts clashes fundamentally with our own corporeal structure, and with the entire structure of what we can detect as corporeal beings. We're like the blind person who's trying to achieve a consistent level of communication with a deaf/mute person. It's easier for them to perceive us than it is for us to perceive them, but we both exist regardless of how difficult the relationship is at our end of the pairing. The deaf/mute person can let the blind person know that someone is there, but without intelligible speech, and unless a third person is there to interpret or to teach these both how to construct a communications platform, the interaction will always be hit or miss.

WHY DO GHOSTS WEAR CLOTHING
WHY CAN'T GHOST BELIEVERS GIVE AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER?

Firstly just relax a little bit lol

Trust me you’ll get further by doing so.

Ok so you may not be getting the answers you are looking for either because you don’t want to accept those answers (I’m not necessarily saying YOU are but a lot of people behave in that manner) for whatever reason, maybe plausibility etc.

Or because the answers you have got in the past simply weren’t good enough but if that is the case then you really do have to remember there is no 100%scientific fact answer that we can give you yet as we simply don’t know why if ghosts do indeed exist they would carry on wearing clothes like you asked.

Mind you though there are plenty of theories but obviously they are only theories for a very good reason.

But if you were to do a little bit more research on this you can seriously find some interesting answers to your questions such as this one below for example.

Ghosts as Energy

One theory about the identity of ghosts is that when a person dies, his or her energy or spirit remains. When we try to picture what pure energy would look like, most of us would probably think of a source of light. This may well be the image that can be captured on film. These images can be described as a vapor, fog, or mist. Obviously, this type of apparition does not have a distinct form and could not be described as looking like a person, clothed or otherwise.

Residual Haunting

In the case of a residual haunting, it is thought that certain images and/or sounds remain in a specific location long after the event has taken place. When someone observes a residual haunting, they are seeing something played out in front of them, similar to watching a film. A spirit seen in this type of encounter would appear very much as he or she was in life, including hairstyle and clothing.

(Click Link)

It is my understanding as a Skeptic, that ghost believers discribe a ghosts as a disembodied spirit. It is suppose to be a spirit trapped in this world that needs to cross over. I am still having problems with the definition of crossing over. Crossing over what? A toll bridge? A valley? A river? A large lake? A finish line? Beats me!!! I am sure that ghost believers picked this terminology up off television. They don't know what it means but they like to use it because they think it sound good and people will believe that they actually know what they are talking about.

No my friend when someone says crossing over they could mean crossing over into the next life for example, or into heaven or simply into their next stage of personal development.

It isn’t said just to make one sound/look good or even intelligent it’s our way or describing that stage in a soul’s life.

Here this link may be interesting for you

Now then, tell me why a ghost is wearing clothing every time it is described by someone that claims to have ghostly encounter?

I'm sorry but you are wrong here.

Alot of ghost sightings or paranormal experiences to be more accurate don't come from full body apparitions in fact that's actually very rare, most sightings or experiences could be in the form of Ectoplasm, Ecto-mist, vapor, ghostly mist, shadow people, orbs etc. for example.

Most experiences are from something that we can’t even see, poltergeist activity, knocking, scratching, electronic interference etc.

The idea that seeing an apparition is simply false my friend.

There are only two things on this earth that are in the spirit realm. Demons and Angels. When you have an encounter, which one do you believe you see?

Interesting, care to elaborate how you could know this?


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I'm pretty sure I've already posted in this thread, but it's a long thread and most don't read all the posts

Mainly, I'm posting again in response to those who demand to know why ghosts wear clothing, which is tantamount to demanding people explain the workings of the engine, just because they claim to be able to see motor vehicles

I've seen the Tourettes sufferer up the road have extremely animated discussions with telephone poles. I've seen it. Most people around here have seen it. We don't understand why the guy focuses so much on telephone poles. But that doesn't mean we haven't seen him doing it

If ghosts or spirits are real why aren't there reported sightings all over NYC after 9/11. Shouldn't the old WTC ruins be completely amassed with ghosts?

Has there even ever been an investigation there??

As far as I know there hasn’t anyway (someone please enlighten me) so how can anyone possibly say it isn’t full of paranormal phenomenon?

Why is it there are places that are haunted in particular when there are death tolls in the thousands in certain places where there does not seem to be any residual or conscious hauntings?

Gettysburg immediately springs to mind.

Shouldn't there be ghosts everywhere given the amount of people that have died throughout history on this planet?

1. How do we know there isn’t?

2. If not then maybe most of them would have moved on or have no reason to stick around.

Although there is no possible answer to that question just yet.

Why is it always humans that haunt and not animals? Don't they have the same biological functions.

There have been many many many cases of animal hauntings.

There are numerous animal hauntings. And yes there are countless reports of ghosts from people who passed away in the twins. Think about this, if you were a ghost and you had unfinished business, wouldn't you got to a place dear to your heart? Your home as opposed to your office which doesnt exist anymore? But yet there are reports at the WTC sites.

I assume not all deaths result in the creation of a terrestrial spirit. I assume many venture into some sort of afterlife, heaven or hell if you will. But you haven't proven ghosts don't exist, and it hasn't been proven that they do, unless you've had a legitimate encounter with one.

hmm..first of all.any who is a believer of the bible,should know that the bible clearly state when humans dies.their essence will be in a place of rest untill the day of ''judgement''
hmm..so ''if'' thats true.than what people sees is not human ghost.
hmm..secondly if they are demons just simply manifesting them self in our world,the question is.
why are they doing that?
hmm..if the whole purpose of demons is based on christian fundamentalist.is to confuse mankind perception of things.or make more none believers.
hmm..but than,that contradicts their statement,because manifesting them selfs is leaving a track record of supernatural things.which is unwise
hmm..leaving the conclusion that there is something more than just this physical world.and give strength to the perception that people have of life after death.

hmm..secondly a ghost,my difination is.
a selfaware metaphysical force that is not bound,not equal to our biological system which is physical and does not depend from food sources to keep it self alive.
hmm..nor it is finite like our physical body that ages through time.
hmm..the problem lies is what kind metaphysical force that is present in our world cant have any form of natural essence we can measure.
or we are simply wasting our time trying to measure the existance of things which only exist in our mind.
hmm..things which were created by primitive mind of the past,and has been past through out generation without questioning them.simply swallowing it blindly.
hmm..and because many has this believe,they use this believe and bind them to event that they have no answer to.

hmm..i wont say people that has exprience something are lying.but they atleast have to come with a form of explanation that can be given an answer in a scienctific method.