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SOME of the 154 people who died in last week's Spanair jet crash, Spain's worst air disaster in nearly 25 years, may never be identified, Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said today.
"Will anybody remain unidentified? I can't say at this moment but the possibility exists,'' he said during an interview with news radio Cadena Ser.
Eighty-six bodies have so far been identified and the task should be completed using DNA techniques for the remainder over the coming days, he added.
"We are working day and night, and well, but since the process started it has become more difficult than we expected due to the bad state of some of the DNA samples,'' said Rubalcaba.
Originally posted by tezzajw
"We are working day and night, and well, but since the process started it has become more difficult than we expected due to the bad state of some of the DNA samples,'' said Rubalcaba.
How easy is it to identify alleged victims from a plane crash? Given that the Spain plane was not purposefully crashed at high speed, would the corpses be in better condition for DNA samples to be taken? If some of the DNA samples are in a bad state, then how bad would the alleged DNA samples have been from the alleged 911 planes?
How many of the alleged victims from the four 911 planes have allegedly been identified by DNA? Where is the chain of custody that proves this?
I don't need official believers telling me that this has been discussed to death. I'm asking the questions in light of the recent Spain crash and their take on the DNA situation.
NY Daily News, 8th September 2002
DNA extractions were done on every one of the 19,906 remains, and 4,735 of those have been identified. As many as 200 remains have been linked to a single person.
The 1,401 people identified include 45 of those aboard the hijacked planes - 33 from Flight 11, which struck the north tower, and 12 from Flight 175, which hit the south tower
By April 30 2004, 52 of those aboard Flight 11 were identified, 45 by DNA. 26 of those on Flight 175 were identified, 26 by DNA.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
By April 30 2004, 52 of those aboard Flight 11 were identified, 45 by DNA. 26 of those on Flight 175 were identified, 26 by DNA.
Flight 93, all victims were identified through DNA, or dental records.
Flight 77, all but 1 victims were identified.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Does Spain have access to the same DNA testing facilites? Will the US be assisting? Another thing to look at.
Originally posted by stumason
As for the topic, I would imagine being grilled alive by burning aluminium and kerosene would denature your DNA. After all, it is essentially proteins which do not respond well to temps above 40C, let alone several hundred or thousand C.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
I also agree with your statement about being gilled alive. The thought makes me ill. But that is kind of the point I was making. Prolonged exposure to that type of heat will destroy all DNA. (creamation)
Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.
In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Let's look at the crash in Spain. It was not so much the impact that killed the people as it was the fire.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Again, with the impacts like at the Pentagon and the Towers, there was a large impact where human debris were scatterd over a wide area.
Originally posted by tezzajw
Fair enough. I can understand that fire destroys a person.
Remember, the official story - hot fires, melts steel, collapses towers.
Using DNA technology seven years ago, how was it possible to make a positive ID, when the DNA technology in use today, is still having difficulty identifying the Spanish victims?
"If the sample can be matched to someone close like a brother or father it is easy but when there are only distant family members available it becomes much more complicated,'' he added.
If fire is hot enough to melt steel, then shouldn't it be hot enough to destroy the DNA of all the alleged plane passengers.
Originally posted by tezzajw
In case you missed it, ThroatYogurt, the alleged planes that allegedly hit the towers EXPLODED upon the alleged impact.
"Suddenly I see this big gray airplane with red letters on the wing and tail filling my window," Praimnath says. "It’s coming right at me."
Praimnath drops the phone and tucks under his desk in a fetal position as the plane obliterates the wall. The impact is a prolonged, gut-wrenching screech, a hideous, metallic roar. "It sounded like a huge steel cage being ripped apart," Praimnath recalls. Intense smoke and soot punctuate the agonizing explosion.
A flame interrupts the awful blackness, revealing a protruding aircraft wing blocking the exit only 20 feet away. I’m going to die, Praimnath thinks. Yet he cries out to God.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
In case you missed it sir....
After reading your signature, I am only left to assume that you present this no plane theory as a way to as you put it "troll."
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
If you would like to learn more about the DNA collection and identification process, please let me know.
In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002.