Untersberg - The Mystery Mountain

reply to post by PassionScattered


Thanks for the interesting report. I´d love to see some pictures and your comments on crows.

I have created a photo album called Untersberg. There you will find some photos from atop the Untersberg taken earlier this month...

media.abovetopsecret.com...

As for the crows. View the the aforementioned photos and the one that shows the crow is quite intriguing. It would not leave from atop the gentleman's head. So far not much luck in deciphering what this may mean. I also had trouble getting another, I guess, crow to leave the picture plane for the panorama I was taking. Knowing the history or legend of Untersberg crows makes this all the more interesting or rather flat out mystifying!

I found where many cultures have identified negative symbols with appearances of crows throughout history and even where the amount present makes a difference:

One for sorrow, Two for mirth,
Three for a wedding, Four for birth,
Seven for a secret not to be told,
Eaight for heaven, Nine for hell,
And ten for the devil's own sel'.

And also...

One for sorrow,
Two for mirth,
Three for a wedding,
Four for a birth,
Five for rich,
Six for poor,
Seven for a witch.

One site I visited made a comment that if a crow were sit atop one's head, that person would surely become crisis ridden.

As for my thoughts, they can be annoying... extremely so if you a hawk. When possible, I will fire off a gun, away from hawk or crow of course, to scare them away from pecking the eyes out of any hawk I see being harassed. Haven't given the counting much thought, though I do enjoy the band borrowing that tradition as a name.

At any rate, after coming back and discovering this thread, I am indeed glad to see they are still found atop the Untersberg. Stubborn though they may be!

PS

[edit on 26-5-2009 by PassionScattered]

wow! it's gonna take me a while to read the whole thread but you ain't half got my attention!! The three hikers wow!! It's straight out of Jules Verne.

wow wow wow....

The new news portal is doing a grand job, I'd never have found this thread otherwise.

S&F

There was the story of the woman who went exploring in the tunnels of malta and she witnessed several giants!!! The story goes that some school children went to the same spot she did and the cavern system collapsed trapping the poor kids in. The screams of the children were heard all round the island because of the tunnel system.

The story goes much "deeper" however, than the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC article indicates. Other sources say that ABOUT 30 CHILDREN vanished in these catacombs on the study tour, and that when the "Hypogeum" was first discovered nearly 30,000 human skeletons of men, women and children (victims of ancient sacrifice to the "underworld gods", performed by an old neolithic race) were discovered as well. One article written by a Miss Lois Jessup, at the time an employee of the British embassy and later secretary for the New York Saucer Information Bureau (better known as NYSIB), appeared in an old issue of Riley Crabb’s BORDERLAND SCIENCE magazine, published by the Borderland Sciences Research Foundation (B.S.R.F.) and was later reprinted in full in Dr. Allen’s book ENIGMA FANTASTIQUE.

strange malta tunnels

Malta Giants

Malta Tunnels

Anyway, I hope that I haven't trodden on too many toes with my post/links.

Apologies - - - This is the same thread, I haven't had my ready brek yet!!!

[edit on 4-6-2009 by TheGreensGoblin]

Excellent thread! Brings forth some interesting questions; Dwarves = Greys, time slip continiums, fairy tales from the olde world explaining UFO/paranormal contact. This thread gets a flag and favorite from me!!

Excellent work SkyFloating...

I used to post on ATS quite a bit,but it
takes one heck of a good thread to get me to post here these days,and this is indeed top quality and inspirational material.

Im only up to page 24(!)so far.

Heres some thoughts of mine on the subject:

Hitlers obsession with the mountain and its tales must have inspired him to call the russian campaign/backstabbing invasion "operation Barbarossa" as he wished to bring to the Russians their own "judgement day."

The Aurora witnessed by Hitler and co may very well have had something to do with the magnetic anomalies of the mountain,as the northern lights are connected to solar radiation hitting and interacting with our planets magnetosphere(although it did indeed turn out to be rather prophetic).

So a particular weather condition combined with the mountains magnetic anomalies may have allowed this particular aurora to appear.

Ive always loved the ideas of dwarves living in mountain caves since my dad read the hobbit to me as a child.
But this may not be that far from the truth as even today some poor "little people" have been rumoured to be hunted for food in the Congo-the pygmys.If i were an ancient dwarf being hunted I would try to hide somewhere very secretive-underground caves would be ideal.

The magnetic anomalies could(hypothetically)kick out a particular wavelength,may be similar to the wavelengh of our suns light-which could maybe allow these dwarves to survive underground for generations.

Or the anomalies may be caused by advanced underground machinery that the dwarves have developed??(!)
Im loving the theory that this place is where the dimensional veil is thinner too-we know so little about our existence and the universe that literally anything is possible.
Oh and the tibetan monks found in a circle with ceremonial paraphenalia in Berlin-gotta be ritual related i would think...maybe Hitler and co were trying a kind of sick negative meditation ritual in order to help them survive the war?Would not put it past them.
Anyway TOP thread SkyFloating....you better get this all together and make a book outta it-I know i would buy it and so would many others.
Great work again,and a great thread with loads less dissing and insulting than what i saddly got used to in ATS a couple of years back.
Love it,1st class man.

reply to post by FlakeMaker


More details regarding this secret society "DIE HERREN VOM SCHWARZEN STEIN" (The Lords of the Black Stone)

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
is.gd... (Blog post in google cache)
is.gd... (The SS Brotherhood of the Bell By Joseph P. Farrell)
is.gd... (Book: Black Sun By Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke)

Interesting stuff

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
To say "starred and flagged" or not to say "starred and flagged" - that is the question.

I'm surprised that Untersberg hasn't been studied more in-depth if it's this mysterious. Somebody should put together a team of 100 people, some camera people, a lot of high-tech equipment, etc., and do a thorough investigation of it, unless nobody's interested enough or there are restrictions.

yeah...with all the people that have money enough to finance something like this, i'm surprised also. maybe branson of virgin atlantic, or that guy that funded MUFON, there is lots of guys like this. plus you could probably get money from a film company in hollywood, or national geographic or maybe even dan ackroyd. c'mon there needs to be some serious networking done on this... what, a million bucks, maybe two, you could get some pretty advanced equipment, that is available fairly reasonably priced.

This is one of the most interesting threads I have ever read on here. All the links with different stories and theories are amazing. I see it was flagged over 400 times! WOW! Amazing! Thanks for the info. I will be reading up on it and I do have a translation program on my laptop so if I find anything needing translation I will post the original and translated version.

HI Everyone. Glad to see that after a period of dormancy, life has sprung back into the thread again! I guess that's what happoens when it branches off into so many paths, but with no results!

I found the following article about "Timeslips" - uforeview.tripod.com...

The conclusion is very intersting, and is relevant to some earlier discussions in this thread......

"Time slips are "often accompanied by feelings of depression, eeriness and a marked sense of silence, deeper than normally experienced,"
Perhaps there is a natural phenomenon that under the right conditions and location can produce briefly a doorway to another time and place. Even though this may sound outrageous, this natural "time machine" could show that modern concepts and perceptions of time need to be seriously reconsidered. It may be that the past and even the future might be closer then thought with current scientific theories. With the right frame of mind and the right natural conditions, the barriers of time and space that have traditionally kept mankind locked into place may finally be broken, allowing the mysteries of the world and the universe to be finally revealed.

Without reading back through the entire thread (enjoyable though that may be!), i am sure that we have discussed "feelings" on the mountain, and the feelings that have been felt for decades in the area, normally attributed to the "healing" properties of the area (formerly a health spa).

It all fits in nicely with this theory....magnetism, "lost" time, strange feelings.

I am personally convinced that the key to this mystery is the geomagnetic anomoly in the area (which is FACT). Perhaps this anomoly, combined with certain weather / atmospheric conditions opens up a natural gateway into time....and that if certain people who are physically susceptible to these conditions are in the correct location during this combination of circumstances, then they are treated to a peak through the gateway.........

It would be intersting to be able to find out what the weather conditions were when the three walkers went missing......

Just one more thing.....my entrance into this thread was brought on by a photo i toook across the valley on the Obersalzburg, that revealed, upon reflection the next day, a large blue orb in one photo taken at the berghof site (yeah....hence the nickname....not very original but i did it in a rush). The weather that day had been rain - all morning as i drove down from Unterfranken. In fact it was still raining when i arrived in Berchtesgaden. I suspect the atmosphere could have been described as "charged".......

Maybe i just missed out on a timeslip myself!

reply to post by BlueOrb


Regarding the weather / atmospheric conditions around the time of the disappearnace of the 3 walkers in 1987, i couldn't leave it alone and so have done some digging.

There were two moderate to strong geomagnetic storms in 1987. The first occurred 29 July 1987, and the second on 26 August 1987. (Source: hal.archives-ouvertes.fr...)

According to the reports, the walkers "disappeared" on 15 August 1987, which falls in between these tow storms. The effects of the storms, as they hit the earth, last several days, so it is not out of the question to suggest that the disappearance took place during a time when the earth was under the influence of moderate to strong geomagnetic activity.

Another interesting research paper i found, contains an intersting take on the issue of the pineal gland and the production of meletonin, which was brought up very early in this thread.

Source:

www.jamesgoulding.com/research_11/The%20Sun/Sun%20(The%effect%20of%20geomagnetic%20storms%20on%20suicide).pdf

"There are indications that the pineal gland, which regulates
the circadian rhythm and which is involved with the regulation
and production of melatonin20, is a magnetosensitive system.21
The nightly production and secretion of melatonin by the pineal
gland provides information regarding the time-of-day and timeof-
year to the rest of the body, thus acting as a time-cued or ‘Zeitgeber’
function"

The word "Zeitgeber" here, literally translates from the german as "Giver of time". In other words, our perception of time is regulated by the pineal gland, which is suceptible to the influence of magnetism.

So perhaps whereby some people notice a "feeling" around the mountain, maybe this is a small influence being exerted by the geomagnetism of the mountain itself (which is already high), but in times of extreme geomagnetism conditions (storms), maybe this "feeling" goes beyond just a physical / mild mental reaction, and leads to extreme influence on the pineal gland and an altered perception of time. Or maybe it's not merely a "perception" of time..... who knows.

I definitely think this is a major factor here. Melatonin also causes us to dream (it is produced at night, whicle we sleep). Perhaps "dreaming" is another dimension, or a kind of "time slip", which may account for feelings of deja vu.

Just my thoughts.

Lets keep this going!



[edit on 9-6-2009 by BlueOrb] to try and cure a bad link.......



[edit on 9-6-2009 by BlueOrb]

reply to post by Skyfloating


WOW...I missed this when I was gone, I am still reading through this monster of a thread, this is crazy, the research and time spent and lucidity in explaining your own encounters while visiting the area, no wonder this has 450+ flags, I am glad I saw this on ATS News. With this information and many others like the 'Underground Empire' article by Branton there is little doubt something UNREAL is going on inside and likely outside our planet and it is not human. No words to describe how great this thread is my friend, I wanted to post something so I can have this on my thread list to come back to.

Originally posted by n0b0DY

Originally posted by jfj123
This already reminds me of another caving story

www.freewebs.com...

This is a GREAT story. Take the time to read it if you already haven't and let me know what you think.

I just read that entire story!!!!!!!!
What ever happened to the group?
Scared the bejesus out of me!

I'm guessing they never made it out of the cave. They probably got eaten by whatever was down there. IMO they were crazy to go back but i get the closure thing. That is if this was a real account. Honestly I think this was just a very entertaining story. It did make for a fun read.

Originally posted by rihred0

Since it is a big mountain, it would be interesting and see more about the geology in the area. I've seen a few documentarys about how the magnetic field can screw peoples minds up, well at least they think so, and some proof are already found. I think i have to get some googling going

Subscribed, flaged etc! This made my day.

I'm thinking another possibility is that gasses of some kind are seeping up from the earth and could be causing hallucinations. IDK what specific gas could cause hallucinations but I do know that there are gasses down down there that can kill. Brings the phrase 'canary in the cole mine' to mind

reply to post by FunSized


How do you explain the Grey-type creatures reported there for centuries?

This is an amazing thread! I can't wait to hear more!!!

somebody heard about the graveyard of the daws in the untersberg?
it is situated in the famous icecave of schellenberg:
www.eishoehle.net...
on one level of the cave, you will find a tunnel of skeletonized daws on the ground of this tunnel.
daws are familiar to crows - daws are mountain-crows!
you remember: the legends of the crows and the untersberg?
these mountain-crows fly into the mountain to die.
the mountain of the ancestors - see the myths...

Silicone Synapse, Blue Orb, White Eagle: Thanks for the awesome information. I didnt know the mystery could still deepen even more.

Ive meanwhile realized that stories of dwarves living in mountains are common around the whole world.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by Skyfloating]

reply to post by Skyfloating


Dwarfs in mountains.Now ALL these accounts from ALL over the world ALL can not be myth or lies right? I highly doubt it. They are there, they've been there and people need to start seriously looking at that fact. Bigfooot, Blues, Greys, some Reptoids. This is all not made up. Boy, what I would give to go on a ATS expedition to Mt. Shasta where Telos City is at reportedly, I would not mind going to to this place either.


BTW:Branton has a VERY GOOD report about the underground empire, in fact I summarized the very long article in a thread last year, here is the link....www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 6/25/2009 by jkrog08]

This is a very interesting thread indeed. I keep coming back to it and reading it. I just hope you guys can come up with something else like this to look deeper into.