As federal agency declares 'new phenomenon' downed WTC 7, activists cry foul

reply to post by BlackOps719


This reminds me of the flight 800 mystery where the gov. said what caused it but, couldnt explain how it happened

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Mod Edit: Why ATS doesn't allow "Activist" recruiting - Please read

[edit on 22-8-2008 by Gemwolf]

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[edit on 22-8-2008 by dariousg]

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by Misfit

 

The collapse of the Twin Towers shows that debris can go pretty far, even to the WTC7.

Pretty far indeed.

Amazing how huge chunks of debris from wtc 1&2 can fly through the air horizontally far enough to hit wtc 7 and fatally damage the building , when we are told by official reports wtc 1&2 were gravity driven collapses.

I thought gravity caused things to fall down not fly horizontally

I guess its just another anomalous first for that fateful day.


[edit on 22-8-2008 by etshrtslr]

Originally posted by dariousg
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Mod Edit: Why ATS doesn't allow "Activist" recruiting - Please read

[edit on 22-8-2008 by Gemwolf]

Oops,

Didn't know I was recruiting activists. Sorry all. I simply posted publicly available information. If you feel you have questions to ask NIST about their report or you want to challenge them directly I would suggest that you go to their website. Their contact information is on the link where they declare they have solved the WTC 7 mystery.

Again, sorry if I came across as recruiting activists. Not what I am doing. Just stating that NIST should be responsible for proving their claims instead of stating, yet again, that a 'new' anomoly occured on this day. Man, the moon must have been in a weird orbit that day or something for all of these kooky things to happen.

You people are unpatriotic and anti American and you ALL should be ashamed of yourselves. The government would never lie to the people and use false flag operations to start wars so the banking industry and the military complex can make billions off the deaths of many people. How dare you say that the government would use things like this to take the rights of all Americans away for further power consolidation. You are all disgusting and just a bunch of conspiracy theorists.



(Pretty Good Sarcasm Dont You Think????)

[edit on 22-8-2008 by mybigunit]

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
The link to 911 Research.

Although virtually all of the structural steel from the Twin Towers and Building 7 was removed and destroyed, preventing forensic analysis, FEMA's volunteer investigators did manage to perform "limited metallurgical examination" of some of the steel before it was recycled. Their observations, including numerous micrographs, are recorded in Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence. 1

The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." 2 WPI provides a graphic summary of the phenomenon.

So we have yet another "never before observed phenomenon" "eutectic reactions" in a not so typical office fire??

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Leo Strauss]

Eutectic reactions - Definition

"The invariant point for a substance at which change, either with the addition or removal of heat, results in an increase or decrease of the proportion of liquid to solid phases, without change in temperature."

www.hccindustries.com/products/technical-information/definition-of-terms/default.asp

So... what they're trying to have us believe is that by some feat of (clearly) magic, the girders changed from a solid phase to a liquid phase along those neat 45-degree angles without any change in temperature either being applied to the steel, or resulting from the phase-change... and yet... weren't those huge, yellow-hot pools of molten steel in the basement levels rather hot? Eutectic reactions my arse!

This isn't just a new phenomena, it's a bloody miracle, and is CLEARLY proof that God must have done this, because clearly all those pesky Laws of Physics simply do not apply when the government tries to explaing what happened.

Praise the Lord, and pass me that Insurance Claim form...

reply to post by Leo Strauss


Is it allowed to type "Bull#"? If not, most of you might understand, what i mean.

If you ask me they're shooting themselves in the foot releasing this information. For starters it's only a miniscule number of the population that even knows that building 7 collapsed. Even fewer require an adequate explanation for it.

Totally agree with ya Un-namedninja. Shooting oneself in the foot was the very phrase that popped into my mind after reading this.

But yea...Wow, These criminals , I always thought weren't your average criminals. But apparently, they don't know when to quit when they are ahead. Just like a common bank thief.

They are makeing themselves appear to be suspicious imo, by comeing out with this "brand new" theory. They did the same thing with releasing that extra frame of the pentagon survelliance camera so much time later.

I though the official report covered all this many, many years ago. They didn't even have to explain WTC7 neither.

Perhaps, the truth movement IS haveing an effect on these criminals.

Keep fighting the good fight, the TRUTH WILL COME OUT.

[edit on 22-8-2008 by Nola213]

Well, the NWO probably does want the demise of America at some point, and a civil war around 911 could work in their favour. These are tricky people that will play whatever hand they have, including 911 truth, spinning it into chaos that would still be used to bring about their order.

Ordo ab chaos.

The Bush's might just find themselves being used as ammunition, like dozens of high profile sacrifices before them, architects and victims of the very world they are aiming for.

It's very hard to call what will happen next.

Bunch of lunatics, the lot of them.

Having withdrawn from active membership in ATS for reasons which would only go to having "Staff" censor what I have to say, does not mean I am not still compelled to say/type "My Say" even if only me and God hear it.

Our Government are criminals, traitors and parasites; I am not sure of a more simple way of putting it except to say that these people and those with them represent about 40% of this country.the 3% who really own and control what is worth owning and controlling and the 37% who serve them and feed upon the rest of us. That leaves 60%, of which 20-30% are worthless scum that no one claims or really wants to and that leaves just 30% of who I personally would claim, stand by and for. Not a very encouraging thought since 1/2 that 30% are women and children and of the 15% that are men, maybe half them know how to fight if it came down to a fight.

So, what is the answer? There is no answer except to do what me and mine have done and that is to withdraw from close proximity to all of you and become as independent as possible to wait for you people to eat each other, as all of this crap is going to come to bear its fruit sooner or later.

9-11 was a Flase Flag CIA Orchestrated Attack, Bush and Chaney are just front men for those who are really pulling the strings. The FBI are either in on it now or were all along or are as dumb as rocks or think we are. It is okay, Me And Mine think the worst about most of you and yours anyway and frankly, as far as I am concerned, everytime there is a fire, flood, earthquake, a Bank Failure or Car Wreck, it just "Cheers Me Up". You are an Immoral Godless Generation and deserve everything you gety..including the typos, as I don't think these posts are worthy of even a spell check. Get it?

Not sure if this is the same video people have been watching....... blatant censorship if ever I saw it. "err that's enough, we must errr move on."

www.strmz.com...://youtube.com%2F%3Fv%3DIJyQKJkibeM

peace

I agree it looks counter-productive for the cover-up to be publishing anything about WTC7 - but they had little choice. The longer they stalled the more obvious it became there was no official scientific explanation and NIST were struggling. I guess they vainly hoped interest in the matter would wane before they were forced to serve some hogwash for the media to uncritically regurgitate or largely ignore.

Of course, hardly anybody who is not already alert to the problem of WTC7 will seek out and find NIST's CSPAN webcast. Here's a link to it that works at time of posting:

National Institute of Standards and Technology Report on WTC Building 7

..... NIST considered explosives but not thermite or thermate. Which does not make explosive noise when ignited. ....

I thought explosions were heard but thermite or thermate sound like
the sparklers on the 4 of July.

What a sneaky bunch of anti building elements.

This means a terrorist can hold any building hostage.

reply to post by Mason mike


Ladies and gentlemen, here we have another, yes, another FIRST TIME anomoly on that terible day. How many more things can we be expected to believe?

1. A plane brings down a huge skyscraper built to withstand an impact from a comercial jet.

WTC NOT DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND A WIDE BODY, JUST A DC-9, 727, 707, DC-8, OR SMALLER; USED [THEN INFERIOR] JAPANESE STEEL IN ITS CONSTRUCTION, SAVING $20 MILLION VS. U.S. SOURCED STEEL; ENTIRE STUCTURE SUPPORTED BY OUTSIDE SKELETAL STEEL OUTSIDE FRAME, FLOORS SUPPORTED BY CROSS BEAMS, NO SUPPORT COLUMNS OR PILLARS WITHIN STRUCTURE SO AS TO ENABLE MORE USEABLE FLOOR SPACE WITHIN TO BE CONFIGURED AT WILL. WTC AN UNUSUAL ENGINEERING EXPERIMENT IN ITS DAY [DESIGNED LATE 1960'S], BUT SUBJECT TO CATASTROPHIC FAILURE UPON SUDDEN IMPACT(S) OF X PSI BEYOND DESIGN PSI & IMPACT AREA FAILURE PARAMETERS. WAS A TRADE OFF OF HAVING MOST UTILITY FOR INTERIOR SPACE VS. UNLIKELY EVENT OF IMPACT BY A LARGER THAN EXPECTED FLYING CRAFT AT X SPEED.

2. A second plane brings down a huge skyscraper built to withstand an impact from a comercial jet.

NOT DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND A WIDE BODY, JUST A DC-9, 727, 707, DC-8, OR SMALLER . . . [SAME ANSWER AS # 1]

3. A plane crashes into a field and leaves almost no trace of it's existance.

IMPACT AT X MPH DISINTEGRATED LIGHT, THIN ALUMINUM AIR FRAME; ENGINE & OTHER DEBRIS FOUND WITHIN SCIENTIFICALLY CAPABLE DISTANCES AS PER IMPACT & IN AIR PARTIAL DISINTEGRATION DUE TO HIGHER THAN DESIGNED AIR SPEED CAPABILITY UPON AIR FRAME.

4. A plane crashes into the pentagon, folds up it's wings and tail section, never touches the ground but hits on target 8 feet above ground and punches 5 to 6 perfectly round holes (not big enough to fit a plane into) through concentric concrete-steel reinforced walls.

IMPACT AT X MPH DISINTEGRATED LIGHT, THIN ALUMINUM AIR FRAME; HIGH SPEED IMPACT PROGRESSIVELY DECREASED SIZE OF FUSELAGE AS IT BECAME AN INCREASING WEIGHT MASS WITH A DECREASING DIAMETER PROJECTILE, SIMILAR TO A HIGH SPEED ANTI-TANK ROUND LIQUIFYING AS IT ENTERS AND PIERCES TANK ARMOUR; ENGINE PARTS & LABELED AIRLINE DEBRIS WAS FOUND.

5. Now a building falls in controled demolition fashon (tell me it didn't an I will call you a liar to your face) and the reason is it caught fire and had some debris hit one side.

BUILDING HAD TO BE PURPOSELY PULLED BECAUSE OF BOTH WTC DEBRIS AND UNKNOWN FOUNDATION DAMAGE DUE TO COLLAPSE OF WTC; AN ECONOMIC & SAFETY DECISION, I.E., IMAGINE IF BLDG REMAINED OCCUPIED AT A LATER DATE & STRUCTURE SUDDENLY COLLAPSED. MASSIVE LOSS OF LIFE AND UNPRECIDENTED LAW SUITS INCL. CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR PERMITTING TENANCY. CHEAPER & SAFER TO PULL AND REBUILD.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

This means a terrorist can hold any building hostage.

Now that!!!!! Is a DAMN good point!!!!!!

Well done!

What is the rebuttal to that statement?

You are 100% correct my friend!

Terrorist's threatening to use "Thermal expansion" to destroy any building they choose!

The government cant be serious when they are making up words!

Whats next?........

Dust intersplosion?(sound it out)

Gravitational flux anomaly?

Mini black holes?

Mass dematerialization? (sound it out)



Just explain how the paper passport fell out of the plane untouched

I might be easier to make up words for that.....

Just a suggestion for you, you corrupt, egotistical, war mongering cowards!!!!!!!!

Come up with stuff that makes a little bit of sense.......

reply to post by Erasurehead



Where do you think all of the controls and coordination and command of the destruction of WTC 1 and WTC 2 was housed?. Why in WTC 7 of course, the mayor with his presence there oveseeing the destruction, once evidence was destroyed then WTC 7 was pulled to sanitixe the command and control center.

reply to post by bugs_n_recovery




flight 800 two hundred eye witnesses reported a missle. this was conveniently omitted from the official report. if a fuel tank caused it then why was no meney spent to retrofit and upgrade this potential accident from happening on other planes of same make and model.

reply to post by EvilAxis


Thanks for the full link. Haha is this the best they can do in 3 years? The guy was a nervous wreck, stammering and stuttering his way through a very weak report considering the amount of prep time they had. The host or whoever definitely did not like what the info wars guy had to say. Seems like they tried to turn off the mic but hit the lights or something, then they hurry him along and say "that's enough." All the while constantly repeating "The evidence is elegant, conclusive, technical, able to be understood by humans."

[edit on 22-8-2008 by Skinon]