As federal agency declares 'new phenomenon' downed WTC 7, activists cry foul

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues





Dont forget that thermal expansion also killed JFK and stole Christmas from 1993-97





You need hip waders to walk through all of the "official explanation" bulls***.

reply to post by Leo Strauss


Please tell me, what did you mean , "Before they got to him." ?

Did he change his story?

Originally posted by smarteye
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this thermal expansion thing. Sounds official

Here's the deal Mr. Scientist, we need you to come to your best conclusion as to why that building fell. Here's a list of possibilities we have already ruled out, because these just can't be true.

Here's another article: MSNBC

Heh. Our MSM doing their job!

Thanks for that "official" article!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a Federal agency tells us thats what happened.
Then it must be true right?
Because they are a federal agency they must be telling the truth right?
I mean come on federal agencies have never lied have they?

I love that they discounted explosives or incendiaries based on the estimated decibel level of the minimum charge to cut the beams!

In about 30 seconds I have been able to produce witnesses and video evidence of explosions.

Also...it has been widely known for years that the thermite and thermate hypothesis is the strongest thus far. These incendiaries and the more exotic spray on nano thermate would not make explosive noise when ignited. So naturally they did not test for thermite or thermate or include a rebuttal to Dr. Steven Jones work!!!!

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues


You forgot to mention that thermal expansion is also the leading cause of global warming, the drop in the value of the dollar, AIDS, and the JFK assasination. It is also second only to swamp gas in mistaken UFO sightings.

reply to post by BlackOps719



Sorry I posted before I saw your response. Looks like we are all pretty clever.

The link to 911 Research.

Although virtually all of the structural steel from the Twin Towers and Building 7 was removed and destroyed, preventing forensic analysis, FEMA's volunteer investigators did manage to perform "limited metallurgical examination" of some of the steel before it was recycled. Their observations, including numerous micrographs, are recorded in Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence. 1

The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." 2 WPI provides a graphic summary of the phenomenon.

So we have yet another "never before observed phenomenon" "eutectic reactions" in a not so typical office fire??

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Leo Strauss]

reply to post by Leo Strauss


Oh my god... How pathetic. Somebody come over to my house and punched me in the nose and throat a couple of times and charge me for it. I can't believe this. They were so sure it was the "pancake" theory, last time I checked, but now a whole building turns into Swiss cheese because of some never before seen phenomena. Most of us may be turned off, but we are not idiots.

Damn it. My wife was just laid off. Her employer told her that her position is being outsourced to Thermal Expansion.

reply to post by Maxmars


He basically withdrew his interview from Loose Change and said he did not witness any bodies in WTC 7. He has 4 kids and a mortgage and would like to remain employed(those are my words not Barry Jennings). By the way I think he is a good guy in a tough situation.

Maybe thermal expansion is the key to faster then light travel?!

Im really almost dumbfounded they could even release a report like this to the masses and not have huge angry mobs of Americans questioning what the hell thermal expansion is.

I actually hope this is them shooting themselves in the foot so to speak, and end up not being able to back out of this corner they put themselves into. Somehow, they are going to have to fabricate a load more bullcrap in order to explain to the masses what exactly is thermal expansion and the physics behind it.

Time to go to the bathroom and watch my toilet collapse due to thermal expansion.

reply to post by BlackOps719


Where have you've been? On 9/11 threads, posters have shown that engineers have been cutting large beams long after the attacks. This photo does not prove anything except to show that it was cut in jagged lines. Humans with shaky hands when cutting.



[edit on 21-8-2008 by deltaboy]

EDIT: Oops, Deltaboy beat me to it.

Originally posted by BlackOps719


Does it do this too?

This is why the 911 "truth" movement is never taken seriously. Those columns were cut by the cleanup crews so that they could be removed by the loaders and trucks you see in the photo. It's not "evidence of thermite or thermate used to cut columns", it's exactly what you'd expect to see when they're clearing away the debris.

[edit on 8/21/2008 by mythatsabigprobe]

Ok friends, im new to ATS, thank you thank you... Well first off I'd like to say this "Thermal Expansion" business is hilarious to me... the first thought in my mind was, im going to look up the definition of explosion on wikipedia and see what they have to say... here it is...
Wikipedia.com
"An explosion is a sudden increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases. An explosion creates a shock wave."

#1 High Temps=Thermal
#2 An explosion creates a shock wave=Expansion

Anyone want to refute this?

Now join me in copious amounts of laughter

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe





Im not saying you are incorrect in what you are saying, but can you offer any links or information from an UNBIASED source that proves what you are stating as fact?


Again, not saying you are wrong, but I know you arent asking anyone here to simply take your word for it.

Thanks in advance for you response.

Originally posted by BelowGovtThumbs

#1 High Temps=Thermal
#2 An explosion creates a shock wave=Expansion

Well by that definition they didn't really lie to us this time.

My faith in our insanely hideous government has been restored...

I can only hope that Larry "Pull It" Silverstein's head suffers from some thermal expansion in the very near future...

[edit on 21-8-2008 by TaZCoN]

Originally posted by BlackOps719
Does it do this too?

I remember pics like these...With the steal cut nicely (like thermite does according to the experts).

Is it a fact that this picture was taken at 9/11 at the WTC? And wasn't there a 'bigger', welknown picture like this from one of the TwinTowers?

Aren't there more pics like these? Please post them here...

reply to post by BlackOps719


if the WTC collapsed from the basement up

we would have witnessed it as doing so

we witnessed the building collapsing upon its self fromt he point of impact and up

that section collapsed on everything beneath it and brought everything tumbling down

i really wish people would WATCH the videos

you can see where it starts to collapse

and its no where near the basement.

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin





...and it did so at free fall speed....which would be scinetifically impossible as a result of what you are describing.


How exactly DOES fire resistant steel supposedly "melt" from a common office fire, all at the same time, and causing the building to collapse upon itself in the same exact manner as a building that has been dropped by explosives during a structured demolition.

Perhaps you may want to go back and watch those videos as well.