Uncensored NASA Moon Images!!

Originally posted by Outlawstar

Originally posted by thrashee
reply to post by Outlawstar

 

You can't really call the opinion that the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of a certain theory fact when the evidence itself has not conclusively been shown to demonstrate either side.

Actually the evidence HAS been shown to be conclusive in the case of structures on the moon, you may not think so and Im sorry if Im coming across as arrogant, but I genuinly cant see how you can come to any other opinion IF youve seen the best of the best pictures.

You're not coming off as arrogant; is there a particular photo you think demonstrates this best?

One thought I had after checking out the bigger version of the "tracks" picture is that if a guy in a space suit walked in a straight line, their path might leave a track that would look like a solid line from high enough. I can't really get a good idea of scale, but just imagining for a minute they are tracks and not some wrinkle or something streaking a shadow across the lens while the shutter popped.
Sorry if that's already been covered.

Originally posted by chapter29
I do not see the tracks actually heading into the crater, so that kinda threw out the idea that a base of some sort is down there...

If you follow the perimeter of that crater you will find tracks going into it or end at the fringes.

Yes.. not all the "tracks" go into it but one. They do seem to point towards it thought.

I've had a quick peek at all the diffrent pictures from the website in the OP, and it leaves me with one question:

From what angle are all these pictures taken? Because as I see it all the moon pictures are taken spot on from the top like a bird's eye view. If this is the case, how can a "tower" appear as if the picture is taken from an angle as in the example pictures of the oil tower?

EDIT: To clarify, going by the angle of the camera, shouldn't we only see this "tower" from the top? As that we would only see the top part of the tower, and not the base and such?

My english isnt very good so I'm not sure if my question is clear, if it's not please say so and I'll try to explain it a bit more in-depth.

Thanks for your time!

[edit on 20-8-2008 by Tunedbeats]

Jeez not posted on here i a while..

IMO the 'spires' could be, well, i saw a picture the other day when i was flicking through them snaps of the moon and it was sort of a hillside with crater impacts in it and the shadows it created kind of resembled the 'spires' with the shadows if seen from another angle...if you get me...if only i could find that pic again..

Yea I can think of a particlaur pic, and many others, bu to be perfectly honest Im not in the mood of searching for it and linking it right now.

But hey it aint too hard with my old pal google.

I know that seems like a cop out but if you pm me some other time Id be glad to link you to some particularly interseting pics, just a bit tired at the mo.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by Outlawstar]

reply to post by Willbert


Thanks for the input.

I will check this out immediately and post anything that I come up with. If we were to find tracks actually heading down the slope of the crater, that would be pretty interesting.

Armap gave the name of the crater, so maybe some investigating into that might prove worth the time.

I would like to point that, as far as I have compared them, the "uncensored" images show the same features as the supposedly censored images.

Unless the other images were also "uncensored", but if that was the case where are the "censored" images?

Originally posted by chapter29
reply to post by Willbert

 

Thanks for the input.

I will check this out immediately and post anything that I come up with. If we were to find tracks actually heading down the slope of the crater, that would be pretty interesting.

Armap gave the name of the crater, so maybe some investigating into that might prove worth the time.

Awww yes... so He did...

Originally posted by ArMaP
I think that crater (the one near the "tracks") may be Moltke, but I am not sure.

Whatever those marks may be, they are not a result of the digitising, that's for sure, and they do not look to follow the ground, they look too linear and constant to be tracks made by something moving over craters and rocks.

I too had the impression that perhaps those "tracks" maybe scratches... I will be looking closer into this region. If it is Moltke then hopefully other pics exist that I could use as comparison to determine if the "tracks" are consistent.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Unless the other images were also "uncensored", but if that was the case where are the "censored" images?

Right here at USGS... they even say so on their page and in several pdf files... They do not say 'CENSORED' they use the term 'cosmetically enhanced data'

Constructed frames for both projects are available for download as 100-micron resolution TIFF images through the Lunar Orbiter Digitization web site (astrogeology.usgs.gov...). As they become available, cartographically controlled and cosmetically enhanced data will also be distributed

The final stage of establishing geometric control will involve the collection
of tie-points between LO and corresponding Clementine 750-nm image tiles. Subsequent triangulations will adjust pointing and coregister the LO data to
the Clementine 750-nm ‘truth’ mosaic. Work in the next months will focus on cosmetic processing, geometric rectification, map projection of the LO frames,
and global mosaic construction. Projected LO frames and the final global mosaic will be archived and made available on the LO website.

This cartographic task (funded by the NASA Planetary Geology and
Geophysics Program) will result in a widely available digital archive at full resolution that we anticipate will be useful for planetary scientists and other ‘lunatics’ for many years into the future.

So they call us lunatics

Now it seems that for these images they are indeed 'assembling' them... in other words projecting the film strips onto new prints... so it seems that we can indeed say that they are 'attached' in the straight film strips, though not in the sense of the overlaying of different photos as each image is still only one original photo...

Hope that clears that up

So the question now is can we establish for certain if the copies from ASU have not been created from

Cosmetically Enhanced Data

I love that term... has a nice ring to it...







[edit on 20-8-2008 by zorgon]

Has anyone read the very important article by Vito Saccheri, who actually saw un-'Smudged" moon photos back in the 1970"s. Everyone should read this. www.sacred-texts.com...
NASA Moon Photos

Furthermore, doesn't everyone realize that the Clementine Mission used extremely high resolution cameras, and most of those photos are still classified? All these blurry images we are agonizing over--- these guys in the alphabet agencies are laughing at us because they have clear images of everything !
What we need is a company like Google to put up their own satellite around the Moon and show us what is there.
Our government is trying to protect us from what ?

reply to post by Mookite


Forgive my skepticism (see, I'm trying to be more cuddly), but why is this link coming from a website that is "the largest freely available archive of online books about religion, mythology, folklore and the esoteric on the Internet"?

Well.. we were wondering about the scale of these photos.

I can't give you a definite answer but I can supply you with something that may help you determine the scope of those tracks..

The following explains were the image came from. The image has a scale to measure the distances.

Apollo 11 site: High-resolution vertical view
The two groups of irregularly shaped craters north and west of the landing site are secondaries from Sabine Crater. This view was obtained by the unmanned Lunar Orbiter V spacecraft in 1967 prior to the Apollo missions to the Moon. The black and white film was automatically developed onboard the spacecraft and subsequently digitized for transmission to Earth. The regularly spaced vertical lines are the result of combining individually digitized 'framelets' to make a composite photograph. and the irregularly-shaped bright and dark spots are due to nonuniform film development. (NASA Lunar Orbiter photograph V-76-H3.).

Now if Mikes photo is Moltke, lo3-72-h2c, then this next photo will put into perspective the scale of the area with where Apollo landed.

Apollo 11 site: Moderate-resolution vertical view
This photograph was taken from the Lunar Module and it includes both the landing site (arrow) and the Command/Service Module (upper right of arrow). The sharp-rimmed crater at the lower margin is Moltke. The craters north and west of the landing site are secondary craters resulting from ejecta thrown out of Sabine Crater. (NASA photograph AS11-37-5447.)

Source for above


[edit on 20-8-2008 by Willbert]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
It has been said that the original Lunar Orbiter tapes have been lost. This is not the case.

I had not heard that before... it was the Apollo 11 moon landing tapes that have been reported 'lost' However I thank you for the information Dr X although I disagree on the color of Mars issue...

Any particular 'anomalies' you could point to? Assuming you are still 'watching' the thread?



[edit on 20-8-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by Willbert
Well.. we were wondering about the scale of these photos.

Ummm the scale of the images is clearly posted beside each image... where is the confusion?

To all
Here is the quote I was looking for the other day

Photographic prints from these film strips were hand mosaicked into sub-frame (for HR data) and full-frame (for MR data) views and widely distributed. The resulting outstanding views were of generally very high spatial resolution (e.g., ~1 to 1000 m, depending on the mission) and covered a substantial portion of the lunar surface. However, these products contained anomalies such as "venetian blind" striping, missing or duplicated data, and frequent saturation effects that hampered their use.

Originally posted by thrashee
Forgive my skepticism (see, I'm trying to be more cuddly), but why is this link coming from a website that is "the largest freely available archive of online books about religion, mythology, folklore and the esoteric on the Internet"?

Because they like many other websites collect and repost documents that are of interest to their readers. That same article is available on several thousand websites that do the same... the same way news services carry the same news article from AP or Reuters..

Hope that explains it to you

If you want and original source of any article merely copy and paste the first couple of sentences of the article into google and you will find the source

Don't shoot the messenger... look at the document on its own merit

And thank you for being more 'cuddly'

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Willbert
Well.. we were wondering about the scale of these photos.

Ummm the scale of the images is clearly posted beside each image... where is the confusion?

Are you referring to the altitude in KM? I was referring to the scale we are looking at on the maps... not how far the pictures were taken. Unless I missed something?

reply to post by zorgon


Hehe, thanks for the tip.

Here are the 3 resulting domains that came up:

Google Results

Originally posted by Anomic of Nihilism
Zorgon
Do you know for sure (

whatever THAT means these days

) if there was a rover of sorts up there at the time these images were taken?
In other words, is there a rational explanation for these tracks?

I have no current knowlege of an vehicles on the moon in 1967... I am still waiting for certain documents from FOIA but as they are from 1958 they have been 'difficult' to locate... or so I am informed by several military agencies... So far I have Vol I and IV. III is political but II is the one I need... I will keep you posted... I may have to hire someone to physically go knock on a door

Originally posted by stikkinikki
Maybe you should back up your suggestion with some facts. Some links to the Navy Space Program and another tether flying at the same time.

Ah well I suppose I could do that yes indeed... but see its like this...

Wasn't a suggestion... was a phishing trip And I have pointed to the Navy Space Program in MANY threads Clementine being one...

so far its taken a cattleprod (sorry BFFT nothing personal ) to get noticed... and this is Mikes LO thread...

But trust me I can provide the goods... just as soon as I hear back from the NAVY that I am not ummmm 'crossing certain boundaries' I just wanted to see who knew what and who was paying attention... Kinda like Mike's picture of WASHINGTON...

That was PRICELESS Mike I swear you are getting as nasty as John was...

"I see only rocks..." :bash:

Its FUN to tease the LEMMINGS

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by mikesingh
IT'S A SATELLITE IMAGE OF WASHINGTON DC!!

Please provide identification of the photo of Washington DC.

I second that I have been looking for one like that to use with the old Apollo prints... Cough it up Mike
Seems you DO have a sense of humor ArMaP

To the rest

DAMN!!! I just went through THREE PAGES to catch up on this thread and all I saw was bickering, arguing and personal 'attacks'... Makes me really wish you can have more then 10 ignores

:shk:

Can we please just stick to the photos? Its already a long enough thread... and a good post in the midst of the noise is sure to get lost...