Large Debris Field, No Bodies, No Large Plane Parts. Flight 93? Think again

reply to post by Grafilthy


The debris outside the crash area was all light debris. Papers, nylon, things of that nature. The NTSB states that this would be expected with an 11 MPH wind.

Truthers have yet to show any evidence to refute this.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by tide88
Oh no. Here we go again with the NSA super secret documents that Ultima1 has tried to get through the FOIA.

Well for 1 i can post the public FOIA E-mail i sent to NSA.

Second, you keep proving you know nothing about FOIA requests when you ask for a number before the request is sent.

I have alos proven to members on here who i am and who i work for. So be adult enought to accept the facts and stop acting so immature.

You have proven nothing. I saw your transcripts. And unless the NSA has a department for slow adults, i highly doubt you work for them. so you havent even sent a request yet?

But if you file FOIA requests (like i have) and have access to good resources (like i have) then you can get infomration.

BTW that is your exact words. You are starting to get caught in all your lies. So a couple days ago, you state that you indeed filed the request. We then ask you for the control number, which you respond " there is not such thing as a foia number." You actually goes as far as make a number up, which we track, and low and behold, it has nothing to do with 911 nor was not requested by a Roger Mis*** aka ultima1. So now you are changing your story to an email, how convienient. Let me guess, I am immature. You really need some mental help, I advise you to check into the nearest mental institution.

Originally posted by tide88
You have proven nothing. I saw your transcripts.

I knew you were too immature to figure out some of the courses on the transcript even have NSA in the name. Also the NCS courses can only be taken by someone who works at NSA.

Thanks yet again for proving how immature you really are.

so you havent even sent a request yet?

So when are you going to learn to read?

I have sent the FOIA and i am waiting for the response to have a request number (But you would know that if you were an adult and filed FOIA and did some research) But i could show you the e-mail and you would just show how immature you are by ignoring it like you do anything that does not agree with your media fed fantasy.


SO HOW OLD YOU FOR REAL?



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reply to post by ULTIMA1


How about some of the other FOIA requests you claim to have sent? What are those numbers. You claim on other forums over a year ago you sent these requests. Want me to post links to some of your other FOIA requests? You are full of it. You may not even be that person on those transcripts.

I have filed FOIA requests with the FBI and the NTSB to get the truth.

What was the number on this one, it was allegedly requested by you almost a year ago.


[edit on 20-8-2008 by tide88]

"Passengers

Among the dead were four executives of the Chevron Corporation USA. They were James R. Sylla, president of Chevron U.S.A. Inc., the company's domestic oil and gas subsidiary, and Owen F. Murphy, Jocelyn G. Kempe and Allen F. Swanson, all public affairs executives of Chevron U.S.A. from Southern California. Other fatalities included Wolfgang Studemann, a West German physicist and space scientist who was the director of the Max Planck Institute for Aeronomy in Lindau, West Germany and Dr. Neil Webb, president of Dominican University of California.[1]"

Some interesting people died in this particular flight. Perhaps there was no disgruntled employee, only a Ground to air missile to silence a few powerful individuals who knew too much.

Thus the large debris field

Originally posted by tide88
How about some of the other FOIA requests you claim to have sent?

Just like a believer always has to change the subject when cornered with the truth and facts.

How about responding to the facts that you are a liar when it comes to the transcripts i posted. I guess you are also calling the people that know i am telling the truth liars too ?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by tide88
How about some of the other FOIA requests you claim to have sent?

Just like a believer always has to change the subject when cornered with the truth and facts.

How about responding to the facts that you are a liar when it comes to the transcripts i posted. I guess you are also calling the people that know i am telling the truth liars too ?

That is exactly the response I was expecting. I don't know those people you are talking about. I said I saw your transcripts, how does that make me a liar? What is the FOIA request number for your previous FOIA requests. You can easily post them and I can easily verify them. After you do so, I will admit I am wrong to however you wish. However, I put those chances of you actually having submitted FOIA request at 0-none. Look like the web of lies you are posting all over the internet is finally catching up to you. BTW, how did your lawsuit against ebaums world go. To think someone would actually threaten a lawsuit for getting banned from a forum is one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard. You really need to get out more.





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reply to post by Retikx


Can you read Retikx? Did you look at the evidence?

Oh, how silly of me to think a truther would want to look at evidence.

It is my opinion that the passengers from flight 93 landed were taken of the flight and murdered in cold blood, I am missing a few pieces of the puzzle but IMHO flight 93 did not crash. The fact that there wasn't any scattered wreckage certainly rang bells with me. To all you septics out there please before writing do your research.

Your opinion is like a rectum - everyone has one and are full of crap!

Now explain how Flight 93 taking off from Newark at 8:41 am flying
to Cleveland where it was hijacked at ~9:28 - 9:30 then crashing
at 10:03 am in Shanksville where you can land a fully loaded 757
disembark the passengers, take off again in 1 hr 20 minutes.

Originally posted by Sliick
to those of you that dismiss the puke bag as being able to survive:

its VERY possible that the bag and other paper items/luggage/seats can survive this crash. The only kicker is the plane MUST break up in midair for this to happen. The plane is in mid-air and the wing breaks off causing a nice big hole. The cabin (pressurized) suddenly has a breach wherein all the air is escaping. Thus sucking out all the compressed air along with (if strong enough) seats, luggage, and people. No matter what, if there's a hole in the plane due to breakup paper will always be pulled out. This does not exonerate the passport flying out of the plane that hit the towers. That plane did NOT breakup and was consumed by a giant fireball.

Not even close. An aircraft does not have to break up in flight for paper items to survive. No fireballs like we saw are going to consume EVERYTHING on board an airliner.

Hey Throat - read this. Article on the SPANAIR crash this morning

Check out the "money quote" where witness said didn't see anything
looking like an airplane at the scene!

A police officer said the bodies were so hot that police could barely touch them and told El Pais newspaper the shattered wreckage bore no resemblance to a plane.

www.airdisaster.com...

Dblepost


[edit on 20-8-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by thedman


I read that this morning. What a tragedy huh? I did read that quote on MSN this morning and was going to post it. (no access to ATS during work hours.)

As you can see, no plane crashed in Shanksville. Do you think your words change the evidence and picture below?


The grass is unbroken and unburnt where the wing is said to have hit.
The official trajectory of the craft does not match the eyewitnesses who saw something small like a cruise missile and not a comericial airliner. The explosion broke the trees and burnt the tops.







As you will see in this next picture, as they dug multiple feet deep and wide, there is still no evidence of an aircraft crashing let alone a massive Boeing 757.




The airforce were conducting multiple live fly airline hijackings and cruise missile intercepts over Pennsylvania on 911. Eyewitnesses confirm the use of missiles, private jets and military jets before and after the 'crash' of hijack plane 93. Research this. I dont lie.

The crash site and crater does not support the THEORY that a fully fueled Boeing 757 travelling at -600mph at only a forty degree angle . There is no evidence of such a crash occuring due to the lack of physical evidence and the lack of displaced dirt consistant with the volume and velocity of the aircraft in question.

Flight 93 (the Boeing 757) DID NOT CRASH in SHankville on 911. Make up your own mind and remember that there are many people here that admit to working for the gov and they support the official story here on ATS. Doesnt make them right. They are just using propaganda and lies to obsefucate the truth and mislead you good Americans.

Conclusion: Flight 93 Did Not Crash In Shanksville/Stoystown Pennsylvania on 9/11.



Thank you. Godspeed you great Americans.


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[edit on 20-8-2008 by IvanZana]

Ivan, your continued spamming of threads on here are not ever going to change the fact that Flight 93 crashed outside Shanksville, PA on Sept 11, 2001. Too many people were there that day, and in the days following, and know that what they were picking up were the shattered remains of both the airliner and the passengers.

Ya i agree. There is no evidence that supports that a plane crashed in shanksville.

The official fairty tale claims that the craft came in upside down at a 40 degree angle at under 600 mph into soft soil. It is expected through common elementary education that something the size of a Boeing 757, fully fueled coming in at less than a 45 degree angle at sub 600mph would burrow itself and burn surrounding grass leaving a crater much larger than the sizes of the craft.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana


Ivan...

step up now.

Please list ONE person that is a specialist in air disaster investigations that stated that the debris, crater, etc. was inconsistent with a plane crash.

YOU WILL NOT.

You will post your spam again and again.

Throw enough sh*t against the wall...soon enough some will stick... right?

You guys who buy the "official story" almost crack me up. Here's someone who you bow down to as an authority figure ADMITTING THAT 93 WAS SHOT DOWN. SHOT......DOWN. Now what excuse do you have? You know you have one. Your excuse will be pure horse # but you'll have one and I'm still willing to hear it will all due respect, at least a tiny bit anyways.

VIDEO

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
I'm sure the reports were faked

Gee you immature beleivers have no idea what a Critic message even is and that it would not be faked.

Hey Ultima1 buddy, are you able to point to any evidence at all (a forum post you made, etc) dated before August 7th, 2008 indicating that you knew what a CRITIC message was?

Originally posted by tide88
BTW that is your exact words. You are starting to get caught in all your lies. So a couple days ago, you state that you indeed filed the request. We then ask you for the control number, which you respond " there is not such thing as a foia number." You actually goes as far as make a number up, which we track, and low and behold, it has nothing to do with 911 nor was not requested by a Roger Mis*** aka ultima1. So now you are changing your story to an email, how convienient. Let me guess, I am immature. You really need some mental help, I advise you to check into the nearest mental institution.

Don't forget also that the email he is now posting as proof of his FOIA requests is actually dated after he was confronted and requested to provide detail on his FOIA requests.

But yeah, first it was a letter he was going to scan to prove his case and now it's mysteriously turned into an e-mail. Don't forget also that his first claim was that he filed an internal FOIA request which to me, given my understanding of the spirit of the Freedom Of Information Act, doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. But that doesn't matter because next minute he claims he'd filed an internal request and a public request! One message he has the document, the next he's trying to get his hands on it.

Not a lot of consistency in his story.

I respectfully disagree on the assertion that the Case Number was proven to have nothing to do with Ultima1. That was a Case Number from the FCC, if I recall correctly. The date and number that he provded would also track with what was being issued by the NTSB at the time. I know Adam Larson's request was something like 200700296 and John Farmer's was 200700285, and they were requested in mid 2007. This was at a time when a lot of requests were being made with regard to the NTSB animations and information about the solid state recorders.

That said, however, there's nothing link him to that Case Number. I bet if you look long and hard enough you'll uncover another lie.