Whats you Favorite Martial Art and Why

Originally posted by Badge01
reply to post by Matrix1111

 

Seagal has quite a reputation. Did you know he broke Sean Connery's wrist acting as the fight instructor?

I haven't heard that. Sounds farfetched. But it's possible it was an accident while joking around. The thing about Aikido is that if the opponent (in this case Connery?) resists the hold and tries to jerk loose, that action will cause a bone to break.

Most people can and inevitably will debate about which martial art is 'teh bestest' until they're blue in the face, and still having never gotten into any kind of fight that escalated past calling someone mean names or circling each other daring the other to throw a punch all while throwing out vocal self affirmations and general bravado.

Most martial arts you're going to learn in a dojo is crap, plain and simple, especially styles like TKD, which should really stand for "Take Your Dough", and the current schools of jeet kune do should be renamed to "Just know drek" but you're also just learning the "art" of th emartial art with little of the martial part.

Granted, you might learn a few good pointers and useful techniques, but it gets hampered by the rest of the garbage they show.. and more of what they don't show.

heres what most of the places don't tell you.. if you did use most of those techniques effectively, yeah you could kill, maim of otherwise "really frell up" you average invalid, and also, land your lilly white butt in jail in MOST states. At least here in Illinois, you're pretty much allowed to neutralize the attack, which does not include busting a knife wielder's wrist.

That being said, most of your 'hard styles' like TKD, kickboxing and so on are showy and intimidating until you're 25, then its pretty much like rocking out the skullet, since you're old, slow, and your reflexes are starting to suck, and you're done. your so called 'soft styles' that are more spiritual might make you feel like you're in touch with some sort of inner power, which one can hope can also harness a healing factor so you can get out of that hospital bed easier.

That being said, akido has some good moments, and most of it is about disabling attacks, although a good bit is also about making a person beat the crap out of themselves with the ground, walls, etc.

After that, Arnis... yep, I've mentioned it before. from chokes, to elbows to footwork and so on, its a decent system for young folks and older farts alike, bu tit still comes down to most peoples weakness..

no matter how much of an internet bad ass you want to act like, no matter how loud you scream, no matter how hard you've philosophized about family, etc... 99.999% of you don't have the stones to hurt someone else directly, or take damage to yourself to win. period.

... and personally, that makes me a lot happier knowing that most of you are a bunch of wusses enough that you can't resort to any real violence past verbal abuse, beating your wifes, and playing Quake.

Myself? Yeah, unfortunately I've been a few real brawls after highschool. I'll tell you who THE most scary, devestating and hardest opponent is, hands down... an older, midgrade drug using alcoholic.. who's under the influence and being an angry drunk. yeah, hes wobbling, but he ain't feeling no real pain, and if hes in a rage, you might land a few shots on him, but that cockroach of a human is going to keep getting up until he passes out on his own accord, or you get past running distance, and once he gets his paws on you, you're f****d

Your best and most useful move? learn how to kick someone in the balls properly, and stay in good enough shape to make the most of that 5 second head start you just gave yourself and run like hell.

Originally posted by Matrix1111
I haven't heard that. Sounds farfetched. But it's possible it was an accident while joking around. The thing about Aikido is that if the opponent (in this case Connery?) resists the hold and tries to jerk loose, that action will cause a bone to break.

most of that is bogus, since a broken bone is useless in akido. a broken wrist doesn't lock, and a broken arm can't be used as a lever for a circle throw.

Originally posted by shuck
My training..
Atemi jujitsu, aikido, Kenpo Karate and boxing,,

I hold a 2nd Dan in jujitsu and have been involved in the cagefighting sport ( it was called the Valle Tudo and shootfighting at that time)

The best art that i can think of ( if you can call it an art..) is the art of being able to run very fast...I look at it this way..if your a martial artist and you have progressed...you have bugger all to prove...so I believe in the art of the long stride!!lol

Any silly bugger can fight...but real martial artist develops the art of fast legs...when there is nothing to prove!!

Thats my way of looking at things been a Dan grade for a long time ,,even trained boucers..funy thing is though..I have never have had to use any of it!!..I havep racticed in the art of fast legs!!lol

That's the thing about martial arts. It's not for the sake of ego. It's for self-defense as a last resort. If you can run, it's the smartest thing to do. There are just too many unknown variables otherwise. Does the opponent have a concealed knife? Is he better trained? I did martial arts just for the exercise and mental discipline. It came in handy stopping a few purse snatchers, but after it's all said and done, I believe martial arts should be used in a life and death situation. Private property can always be replaced. A life can't be.

Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
Myself? Yeah, unfortunately I've been a few real brawls after highschool. I'll tell you who THE most scary, devestating and hardest opponent is, hands down... an older, midgrade drug using alcoholic.. who's under the influence and being an angry drunk. yeah, hes wobbling, but he ain't feeling no real pain, and if hes in a rage, you might land a few shots on him, but that cockroach of a human is going to keep getting up until he passes out on his own accord, or you get past running distance, and once he gets his paws on you, you're f****d

Your best and most useful move? learn how to kick someone in the balls properly, and stay in good enough shape to make the most of that 5 second head start you just gave yourself and run like hell.

You are very misinformed my friend. The hardest thing about drunks or junkies is their numbness to pain. Pain and immobilization do not go hand in hand. Just because the person doesn't feel it, doesn't mean they get back up.

The balls is something everyone teaches you to hit, and guard. It ain't no joke. Although, some people train to take hits in the stones and still be able to hold their composure long enough to pummel you. But, do not take it lightly...people who train in Akido, Jujitsu, boxing and Muay Boran know exactly where to hit someone. I've been in a few street fights myself, as well have studied the human body and various arts religiously at some point in my life. The great advantage you have over any drunk is speed and co-ordination, and that right there is your victory. You don't hit drugged up folks in arm...you hit the temple, throat, jaw, back of the head, solarplexus, colar bone, knees...they may not feel it, but a most of these shots(temple to jaw - especially if the jaw is opened) will put almost anyone on the floor. The back of the head, in most cases, can kill a man. The knee and solarplexus puts people into shock, literally, the body freezes up...regardless of if they even feel the pain. You land a blow on the kidney and gorge out someone's eyes...trust me, regardless of how drunk/drugged/strong they are...the fight is over. If you're a hard hitter...and you literally punch the hip hard enough...and that breaks...the fight is over.

I am a peaceful person, I love everything peaceful, but when I'm in a fight...I feel at home. I love putting people down, not because I can, or want to really, but if I feel the need to, I will take pleasure in doing it. I do not hit to slow down, I hit to immobilize. I've studied the body, how it works and which direction joints just won't bend. The only thing I'm left to do is train that muscle memory, and work on my speed. Clinching is also very effective, if you're not quick enough and cannot evade a barrage of attacks. Then, there's the very well-known rule, that most people fail to remember...where ever the head goes...the body follows closely.

In my previous post, I said most martial arts teachings are not very practical in real scenarios, and I will stand by that. I've seen some very "hot" martial artists do some crazy stuff, that yes, may catch an average joe, or even another martial artist, but usually...they get put on the floor. I remember a street fight where a Tae Kwon Do dude was putting in some real work on fellow street fighter. Tae Kwon Do looks impressive, and if you're slow...it will lay you on the pavement. The dude was kicking all over the place, as well as landing some well placed punches...but, one time...his leg rose up too high...he was hit in the lower back, elbow to the side of the head and he was down.

Keep your body fit, work on your speed and awareness, co-ordination, reaction and reflexes and learn how the body works, what it can and cannot take. Utilize all of this, and train with these in mind regularly, and you will be able to take on the highest ranked martial artist of nearly any art. Like all things, practical experience is vital as well.

Judo over Brazilian Jiu Jitsu... The Gracies are very good these days, but they were soundly defeated by the best:

en.wikipedia.org...

And this guy would destroy Steven Segal, without a problem... A true Samurai... Back when Martial Arts was really used to survive and not a sport.

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reply to post by sdrawkcabII


You are correct someone blind drunk or off their head will not respond to pain compliance techniques as someone would who was sober. However, you take it one step further, I would not hesitate to turn a wrist lock into a wrist breaking technique if I believed it was needed.

Personally, I would be happy to rip someones testicles off, gouge their eyes out and break every major bone in their body if it ment my survival. If someones willing to attack me then they should be willing to accept the consequences

Another tip; scream at your opponent, shout about what your going to do to them, scare them, convince them your a mindless psychopaths, its a very psychological tool that will definately give you the edge.

Its quite disturbing to have a person on top of you telling you their gunna rip your ears off while actually attempting to do so...

Tongue-fu is my favourite martial arts. The spoken tongue along with the truth makes for a very potent, deadly weapon (Just ask any girl) and it doesn't involve violence, which is a good thing. Best self defense tool there is, if used wisely.

Originally posted by kindred
Tongue-fu

is my favourite martial arts.

The spoken tongue along with the truth makes for a very potent, deadly weapon (Just ask any girl)

and it doesn't involve violence, which is a good thing. Best self defense tool there is, if used wisely.

you are wise...

"The tongue like a sharp knife... Kills without drawing blood."

- Buddha

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[edit on 18-8-2008 by _Heretic]

Two Words.................. Krav Maga .............................
IMO has to be the most worthwhile to learn, it's worked for the isreal's for 50yrs or so.

Originally posted by trekker
Two Words.................. Krav Maga .............................
IMO has to be the most worthwhile to learn, it's worked for the isreal's for 50yrs or so.

I think Krav Maga is the modern Ninjutsu

reply to post by _Heretic


Krav Maga - Is the official self defence system of the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) and one of the fastest growing most widely practiced self-defence systems in the world today, being particularly strong in Europe, and the US, where it forms part of the defensive tactics syllabus for many Police, security & military units operating in those regions.

The Krav Maga system was developed for one specific purpose, to teach men and women, civilian, law enforcement and military, practical self-defence in the shortest possible time. The system has been tested and constantly improved and now represents on of the most efficient and effective self-defence systems available in the world today.

Tactical Krav Maga is an interpretation of Krav Maga by Itay Gil. Chief Israeli Instructor and President of Protect Israeli Security Solutions in Jerusalem.

here is more

I need to read this thread.

The most interesting form of martial arts I think is Quantum JuJitSu. The form of fighting is flipping the attacker then pinning them with an arm bar or something.

I recomend going to youtube and watching atleast one video.

Heres a link about one www.youtube.com...

reply to post by _Heretic
I've studied many different styles in my thirty-eight years, both Kung-fu and Karate, but the one i like the most is Muai Tai. I like it most because it's fast and brutal, and both aspects will save your ass fast when needed. But what i recomended in one of the threads you mentioned is find a teacher who doesn't follow tradition and teaches what works. And if they know and combine multiple styles, that is even better.

JEET KUNE DO IS THE BEST ALL AROUND FOR STREET FIGHTING DEVELOPED BY BRUCE LEE IT TAKE THE BEST OF EACH MARTIAL ART AND THROWS AWAY ALL WHICH IS NOT PRACTICAL. AND BECAUSE MOST FIGHTS END UP ON THE FLOOR IS WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU KNEW SOME BASIC GRECCO ROMAN WRESTLING AND GRACIE JUJITSU.

1.BOXING
2.THAI KICK BOXING "MUAY THAI" LEG KICK ELBOWS HEADBUTTS KNESS
3.JEET KUNE DO TRAPPING AND GRAPPLING
4. WRESTLING AND GRACIE JUJITSU. FLOOR FIGHTING, LOCK ARM-LEG BARS

5 FILLINPINO KALI ESCIRMA WEAPONS FIGHTING KNIVES & STICKS

OTHER VERY GOOD MARTIAL ARTS WORTH SOME TIME

KENPO KARATE
KRAV MAGA- ISREALI SPECIAL FORCES
THER IS ALSO A RUSSIAN MARTIAL ART GREAT FOOR FLOOR FIGHTING
ITS A MIX OF JUJITSU, SHOOT FIGHTING WRESTLING I FORGET THE NAME

ALSO WATCH THE ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIP WHAT ALL OF THE FIGHTS AND STUDY THEM WATCH THE FIGHTERS TECHNIQUES ESPECIALLY IN THE DELIVERY OF THE FIRST STRIKE AND WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF WHEN THE FIGHT HIT THE FLOOR

1.REMEMBER MOST FIGHTS END UP ON THE FLOOR AND ALWAYS PROTECT YOURSELF.

2. IN A REAL STREET FIGHT WERE YOUR LIFE IS ON THE LINE ANYTHING GOES WHICH INCLUDES STRIKES TO THE EYES, GROIN AND HAIR PULLING







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Originally posted by _Heretic

Originally posted by trekker
Two Words.................. Krav Maga .............................
IMO has to be the most worthwhile to learn, it's worked for the isreal's for 50yrs or so.

I think Krav Maga is the modern Ninjutsu

Most newer teachers of Ninjutsu call their styles Ryu followed by some other name usually associated with a Chinese legendary creature. I studied Ryu Lung.

reply to post by truthseekerpeacemaker

Jeet Kun Do is not a style, it's a theory incorporated into other styles.
It teaches the benefits of constant movement. The style Bruce Lee taught was Wang Chung.

JEET KUNE DO INCORPERATED ALOT OF WING CHUN WICH IS A FORM OF KUNG FU

reply to post by truthseekerpeacemaker
Only if that is what your teacher teaches you.
But it's still only a theory that can be incorporated in to any other styles.

reply to post by Anuubis


Muay Thai, I agree absolutely. You can talk Krav Maga, Kenpo, Gung Fu, or whatever, but while your fumbling with your composure under threat and trying to remember what sequence of static movements you were taught and correlate them with your current situation, you could have already inflicted incredible pain on your attacker or opponent with fairly simple and natural movements.

Muay thai. Hit now, hurt now. Hit there, hurt there.

It'd blow your mind how many dudes don't want to fight anymore after you wipe them out with a low kick or let an elbow fly.