Whats you Favorite Martial Art and Why

Originally posted by Shamanator
Martial arts are nothing more than a bunch of dancers they prance about and think they can fight but every time you see one in a real street fight they get completely thrashed.

Waste of time don't fall for it and if you do take it up never fool yourself into thinking you can fight you really can't and will end up looking silly nevermind the beating you will take.

Seriously if you want to learn how to fight that is the wrong way to go about it sad but true.

I agree that if someone were to take a class and belt up a few times it is quite possible they are gonna get stomped if they try that stuff in a real life situation (depends on the person I suppose). I have seen it happen before. So if you were going to offer me advice on how to prepare for a street fight, what would it be?

reply to post by Shamanator


I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your oppinion, which is slightly limited here. I understand your point, however if martial artists do not win real fights how come in the original UFC's they did win?

I agree that these aren't street fights however the early UFC fights were as real as you could pretty much get with the exception that weapons were not used. There are plenty talented martial artists that would do get smashed in a street fight.

To call them nothing more than dancers is pretty ignorant and insulting, martial artists or top martial artists are in my oppinions some of the fittest individuals in the world.

In my honest opinion the best thing you could do in a street fight is just be as vicious as possible and do whatever you have to do to land the first punch. It's completely true that attack is the best form of defence so attack like crazy.

On the street there are no rules so you do whatever you have to don't even think about consequences just act and don't stop use any advantage you can and if that means picking up a brick do it.

Of course the best option I will agree is to avoid a fight in the first place if you can sometime you cant so watch for him to throw the punch it will probably be a right so pay attention.

Just what I think but it's true some people just don't have the aggression in them to save themselves.

reply to post by _Heretic


I like Aikido. It allows for varying degrees of harm. You can immobolize with minimal harm or break limbs. But it's not good with punching and blocking punches. So I recommend complimenting Aikido with Xing Yi Quan push-hands. Both are good for building up Chi/Ki.

reply to post by runetang


Excellent post, you made all the main points I was going to make, well done!

reply to post by Shamanator


I agree with your point regarding maximum aggression, that is definately correct. However, the average joe doesn't how to "full on attack" and I'm pretty sure that the odds are in the favour of the street hardened attacker than the victim.

Even if a martial simply told you how to punch correctly and with technique then you would be able to punch harder & faster, something which is going to give you an advantage, so to basically imply there worthless isn't correct.

I do agree however that there is a massive difference between fighting in a ring or at a martial arts club compared to fighting on the street.

reply to post by Matrix1111


I quite like Aikido myself although I have never trained in it. As you said the problem with Aikido is that it isn't very useful for striking but again as you said if you complemented it with a striking art then that wouldn't be a problem.

Steven Segal makes Aikido look great

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reply to post by _Heretic


In regards to preparation for a street fight, firstly remember that there are no rules on the street, no referee is going to jump in with a standing 8 count.

Secondly, I would learn boxing and some basic striking techniques (Muay Thai maybe) Thirdly, I would do what ever I could to actually avoid the fight in the first place i.e. cross the road if there is a gang on one side etc

Lastly, I think mental preparation is just as important as physical preparation, remembering that anyone can be attacked and anyone a victim.

Most street fights that occur today usually involve a weapon of some sort, and the realisation that there are people out there willing to use a weapon on you over something petty helps you during the situation I believe.

Originally posted by deathpoet69
reply to post by Shamanator

 

could you tell me what the best way is then and advice on fightin techniques? i have this like natural defense thing, is it normal to have your own material art made up by your own brain?


Also, could anyone please answer me were my strengh comes from like my full out engery. For example if i smashed a car window it don't even hurt me and it only takes one hit and how i can break wood and brick without even competing for martial arts?. How come i can pick up 22 stone when i am only 10 stone?. can someone answer me that please?

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there are no easy answers to these questions really. yes it is normal to have your own art in your head, everyone does. Being able to break boards and bricks involve the application of both internal and external chi, and some mastery over fear. There really are no "death spots" or we would see alot of accidental deaths. Death blows like that are made by know where the organs are and hitting them the correct way.

Originally posted by runetang
You pretty much covered everything there,

The hard part is finding a school of an art which combine to give the student tutelage in all of the areas you listed. So many today are lacking in one way or another, which is actually where the term 'MMA', or 'mixed martial arts' comes from. It simply means mixing various arts together to create an overall better system for yourself.

I totally agree, I am not much of a sports fighter though, I did a few ring fights and I just didn't like it. I do love to spar tho, light mid or full contact, I guess I dont like to compete.

I will let you in on a little secret, most martial arts aren't very effective in the real world, or in real scenarios. Most arts are only effective against other people who maybe practice the same or similar art in tournament settings.

You want the most effective forms of fighting, for tournament and real life scenarios?

The small ones:
Kick boxing.

Real Street Fighting. There is a rule in Street Fighting, that one should truly, as much as possible, avoid kicking above the knees. Watch a good fighter brawl, and witness what happens to people who jump around, raising their legs trying to display their "skill." They get softened up real good.

Jeet Kune Do. A blend of other arts, Kung Fu, Tai Chi and a few others, but on utilized the techniques from these arts that are truly effective. Jeet Kune Do by itself, doesn't have any rules to follow, except, for one to be like water. In that, one must adapt to any environment. Biting someone's ear off is quite okay, if it must be used. Jeet Kune Do teaches speed and power quite nicely, and avoids unnecessary movements, as they cost you time, and can sometimes result in you holding you gut on the floor...or even death.

Some more advanced styles:
Muay Thai Boran
This technique, the true Muay Thai is used to kill people. This is no joke. This technique's foundation is based on speed and power, much like Jeet Kune Do, but is a sure way to kill many. It's art is basically countering, and particular, striking your opponent before he even gets to extend his arm fully. Muay Thai Kick Boxing, is a watered down version of this art, where all the deadly arts are mostly removed and changed dramatically. It can only be learned in Thailand and is very, very rare. Many people in Thailand actually teach Muay Thai Kickboxing, and pass it off to people(especially foreigners) as Muay Boran.

Akido
Another art used for killing. It's mostly used to immobilize your opponent, but can do some serious damage on the body. If you want to take it up a notch to totally destroy another, you can.

Jujitsu
Another killing art. It is believed to be the deadliest art known to man. The Japanese Samurai's created and used it. It's is a very, very effective art. And like Muay Boran, it is very rare and hard to find someone who actually uses and teaches it. They may know it, but getting them to truly teach it to you is another problem. This is where Judo comes from. Judo, like Muay Thai Kick boxing, is a watered down version of an original art, in this case, Jujitsu.

If I had to learn any 1 art, it would be Jujitsu.

I started in Chi mu Kwon Tae Kwon Do when I was 38 and practiced for several years., earning a second degree black belt. But while I was practicing tkd, I was watching other styles and incorporating moves and techniques into my fighting style. Seagal taught me a lot about foot work, Jackie Chan taught me about using anything as a weapon, and the list could go on and on.
Circumstances caused me to stop formal practice, but I think I would practice go for a soft style like Wing Chun, primarily due to age and injuries.
In response to those who think martial arts training is going to cause you to get your butt kicked let me say this. I learned, in my art, to throw kicks to the head. TKD is noted for high, flamboyant kicks. In a real fight, I would never attempt to kick above th waist, and would probably just go for the knee which, if properly executed(from multiple hours of practice in various stances, and in awkward places and positions) would put my opponent on the ground, with a torn ligament to say the least. This frees me up to back up and keep my eyes on his friends.
While I have never used my skills "on the street." I have been attacked at work, and when that happened my reflexes(from multiple hours of practice) kicked in, and without thinking, I used the appropriate blocks, counter strikes, and joint locks to gain control of the situation. (Don't ask what I do. Suffice it to say I am not in the military and I am not involved in police or security work.)
In reference to why experieced MA don't get in street fights. What they said. My Grandmaster taught me from my first class, "You only fight when you can't run away."
If youngsters started getting in fights at school and he or his instructors found out, they did a lot of push ups.
To the OP! Thanks for starting this thread. It makes me want to start training again, after being out of the game for 15 years.
To those who don't like forms; Forms are to teach you to use blocks, kicks, punches, and strikes in various combinations. Most people don't like them because they don't understand them. I was taught, and have read many times, that to understand a form (kata, hyung) one must do it a thousand times.
In other words, practice, practice practice, and when you think you've had enough practice some more.
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You can't make a slave of a freeman. The most you can do is kill him.
Robert Anson Heinlein

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Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by Matrix1111

 

I quite like Aikido myself although I have never trained in it. As you said the problem with Aikido is that it isn't very useful for striking but again as you said if you complemented it with a striking art then that wouldn't be a problem.

Steven Segal makes Aikido look great

[edit on 18/8/08 by Death_Kron]

And what he does is authentic. Of course he uses it to the extreme where bones get broken. But that's Hollywood.

reply to post by Matrix1111


Seagal has quite a reputation. Did you know he broke Sean Connery's wrist acting as the fight instructor?

Seagalology

while teaching Connery martial arts for the James Bond film Never Say Never Again, Seagal (sic)accidently broke Connery's wrist when Connery cracked a joke about Seagal's mother.

You can't pay for that kind of, uh, professionalism. (Please note: in the above quote the crack about his mother I can't substantiate.)

Originally posted by Shamanator
In my honest opinion the best thing you could do in a street fight is just be as vicious as possible and do whatever you have to do to land the first punch. It's completely true that attack is the best form of defence so attack like crazy.

On the street there are no rules so you do whatever you have to don't even think about consequences just act and don't stop use any advantage you can and if that means picking up a brick do it.

Of course the best option I will agree is to avoid a fight in the first place if you can sometime you cant so watch for him to throw the punch it will probably be a right so pay attention.

Just what I think but it's true some people just don't have the aggression in them to save themselves.

I cant agree with you more. street fighting is very linear and it is no place for waiting for an attack thinking you can block it, even if you can. It is not like the movies at all and is more about instinct than technique.

But you can take an art, learn a few things and do better I think, as long as you dont keep trying to make that new move happen over and over just because you want to use it so bad. Its a common mistake, which is why it happens so much.

All in all, on the street, you only need one or two devastating punches and then rinse repeat till they drop. Oh and never recommend kicking in a street fight.

You know western martial artists have been calling kung fu folks dancers since before I can remember. I dont blame them, from their view point it does look pretty and graceful...like dancing!

if they only knew....

Brass Knuckles and a Aluminum Louisville Slugger. Keep both in the car just in case, and yes the knucks are legal to buy if you use the correct name for them "belt buckle", "paper weight." I don't have the skill or patience for real Martial Arts. Only for defense of coarse, not much of a fighter myself.

[edit on 18-8-2008 by Trustnoone1987]

the chinese were the first to use martial arts and are the true masters of this art,
i do wushu which is chinese for martial arts eg all of them shaolin kung fu (them bald crazy monks in orange robes)san shao(chinese kick boxing) chin na(art of locking joints and grabs)long fist,drunken style etc we also practice using everyday items as weapons and shields practice all them fancy spinning jump kicks ec just like what the chinese peasant did hundreds of yrs ago this wushu art is the same style as what jet li and jackie chan do and what you see them do is the real deal no camera tricks

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Originally posted by Badge01

Seagal has quite a reputation. Did you know he broke Sean Connery's wrist acting as the fight instructor?

Seagalology

while teaching Connery martial arts for the James Bond film Never Say Never Again, Seagal (sic)accidently broke Connery's wrist when Connery cracked a joke about Seagal's mother.

You can't pay for that kind of, uh, professionalism. (Please note: in the above quote the crack about his mother I can't substantiate.)

LOL thats rich!

It certainly does sound like him doesn't it?

Street fighting has come up over and over, especially concerning what doesn’t work. So I thought I would toss out my ideas on what does work.

The biggest issue here is FEAR. The highly trained artist and especially the untrained will usually cave into fear. This is why there is so much emphasis on instinct, as if you didn’t have all your mental faculties present. Fear is why have to “rely” on instinct and it is also why you lose those mental faculties but it doesn’t have to be this way.

When you are calm, your mind works better and you can assess with better judgment. You can also see weakness easier when you’re not so worried about surviving. I can’t even guess how many times I have reviewed one of my fights and bonked my head saying to myself “man I had my entire left hand free, I could have just done this or done that” I just wasn’t thinking clearly and was so preoccupied with what HE was going to do I never considered what I could do. Because I was afraid of what he could do.

I have learned that by simply staying relaxed and calm, even with a slight humor in my mind, like I was going to enjoy myself, things always turned out my way because I would always see a simple solution.

I get a kick out of a lot of self defense techniques that teach “this is how you get out of this lock” or “this is how you get rid of a knife”. If you have a hand free, and your opponent has an eye, or any of the countless vulnerabilities the body has, you have it made, if you can just stay calm enough to assess.

This is why in my opinion it just doesn’t matter what art you take to the street on the whole because it depends on the person and his state of mind. Another good technique used on the street when facing someone who has some skill and you just cant seem to get it over with quick enough is sheathing the sword (my own term from a book) in which you allow your opponent to strike you to open him up to your much more effective strike. But you have to be able to take the blow.

This has been a really interesting read - I especially would like to hear more about martial arts ideas which are also applied to ways of life and philosophies outside of fighting.

Everyone in this thread does seem to be an expert though..... I'm a lover, not a fighter

reply to post by Death_Kron


yeh thats a good point, although hopefully you would have decked the sod before he could get you on the floor