The Greatest Deception of Mankind

If Satan is god of this world, is it possible that everything of real importanct in the Bible be a lie for his own personal reasons? Just something I want to be considered.

reply to post by 1nL1ghtened


1nL1ghtened,

Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences and conclusions. It is clear you are interesting in seeking truth. Do not let others discourage you in this, continue to put your faith in God.

One quick verse.
Luke 12:52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

IE. As you stated, do not expect others to understand if they don't have Jesus in there heart.

Now a little about me:
I'm a born again follower of Jesus Christ, for more then 23 years.

I have never posted to ATS before. I have never had a paranormal experience; aliens, ET, ghost, demons, etc. I might, MIGHT, have seen a "flying saucer" up in the sky at a distance about a year ago, but it also might have been one of those huge flying billboards.

I am very interested in the alien/demon, ufo, government conspiracy, phenomena.


I sleep with a loaded 12 gauge next to my bed, a flash light, and a Bible.


Luke 12:39
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

My thoughts:
After many years of pondering the same issues, I too came virtually the exact as you same conclusion regarding aliens.

I firmly believe the world we are aware of in is only the tip of the iceburg of existence/reality.

The bible speaks of sending angles to help those in need, but that they were delayed. This is a direct reference to spiritual warfare in the heavens/ on other planes.

I firmly believe that satan/the devil/lucifer has an army of both physical and spiritual beings, and in most, if not all cases, this is the explanation for alien, abductions, cattle mutilations, etc.


I also believe that the government probably got duped at first by this trickery, but at some point may have figured it out, or not. I don't know.

Luke 4:5
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.


In any case, the US government is subject to the rule of the devil, because the nations of the world have been "given to him." This is why we should not trust, or put faith in any kingdoms of this world, or expect them to do the right thing, or protect us.

My recommendation, read your Bible, spend time with God daily, share his Word with your friends and family, prepare your heart and mind for what is coming.

Store God's word in your heart.

Probably wouldn't hurt to stock up on beans, Bibles, and bullets while you're at it.

Sincerely,
Your fellow believe in Christ

Ok, I'm not trying to be insulting here, but I've got to say it.

When Reading 1nl1ghtened's 1st post did anyone else have William Shatner's voice in their head? It is the......long....dramatic...pauses. I have to admit it does make reading your posting more entertaining and it does feel more emotionally charged, but i just couldn't help hearing Will S in my head.

"There's something on the wing.......some...thing...onthewing."

Sorry, I just had to say it.

Ok I'm going to be serious now. I have had a lot of Abduction experiences, thoughout my life and I don't have the slightest idea about what they are and what they are about.

What I do know though is that the guys that I have met have put me in situations of extreme pressure. I don't think that this is to be cruel or evil, but to effect us at a really deep level. All but a few of my encounters have started with pure terror, but by the end I am usual comfortable with them. Sounds nuts, but it's true.
As a kid I found these encounters a lot easier, but when I was about 7, I started to react badly to them. I think that they have been manipulating us since 1947, but I have no idea to what end, could be good or it could be bad. My feelings say that it is all for our benefit, perhaps even our survival, but to be honest I don't really know for sure.

I personally don't believe in Demons or Satan, but to be honest I find it easier if I don't try to put a label on these guys, just because they have a nasty habit of shattering my preconceptions.

Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
If Satan is god of this world, is it possible that everything of real importanct in the Bible be a lie for his own personal reasons? Just something I want to be considered.

The Gnostic Christians didn't think this world was necessarily the product of "Satan," but of a strange egotistical and schizophrenic (yet enormously powerful, although limited) entity that is the thing described as God in the Bible and goes by the name of Saklas or Yaldabaoth. The true Creator God of the Universe is so infinite and powerful that it is essentially incomprehensible to human beings. It is beyond all of our human concepts of good and bad and time and life and death, so it's useless to try and pray to this thing, that is not even a thing. And so it's also useless to pray to the God of the Bible, since it's crazy, and not omniscient or omnipotent. And you can see the good it does. None.

As for alien UFOs being in any way associated with stuff in the Bible, I suppose you could make a case for it. Because of the unknown factor. The writers of the Bible didn't understand what they were writing about any more than we do. The biggest problem is in assigning "good" or "evil" attributes to them, since they are so unknown. People have reported feeling all kinds of things in the presence of UFOs. Fear is certainly the most common, along with dread. But I would guess that's the way any animal reacts to something they feel out of control around.

Some people feel nothing but love and wonderfulness in the presence of UFOs. Who is to say which is right? Who is to say which is a misinterpretation, or lie? A common reaction to angels or the voice of God in the Bible is raw fear. Very few people feel good about interacting with these entities, and for good reason. They can kill you in an instant, or control your mind. You have no power around them, and they often demand worship and supplication.

So I guess it's up to everybody to personally decide who they would rather have in control of them. Scary aliens that can control your mind and perform experiments on your body, or God and his angels, who are vengeful and demand complete obedience or they'll kill you without even thinking of it. What a choice!

I have thought about this before, and always try to keep it in mind, but i will not make the assumption that the bible has any truth to it either.

There are also accounts of people having an extremely loving feeling from craft.

I will not discount your theory, for it could well be true, however they have not harmed us yet and im sure with that kind of technology we could have been dust a long time ago.

reply to post by 1nL1ghtened


I agree with you 1n, but not for the same reasons. "They", the aliens if they exist at all, would be what I consider evil due to the strategem they appear to be employing in their "work" here on Earth. Additionally, there are indications throughout the bible that many of the prophets had direct communications with aliens such as: Ezekiel, Noah, Abraham, Elijah, and others. If these aliens have been monitoring us for thousands of years, or longer, it is very likely that they have modified our core religious and political systems to drive us to them regardless of which "side" we take (i.e. the embracing of one set of aliens over the other).

Addditionally, some thing else that often overlooked by the christians is the fact that GOD will place a "mark" on His followers.....

Revelation 9:4

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Source

....so this indicates that the christian GOD will want to mark his followers in the same manner as the Beast. In my opinion NO TRUE DIETY SHOULD NEED TO MARK HIS FOLLOWERS.... it implies that they are not gods.... thus I discount the bibilical aspects but generally agree with you that the "aliens" (all of them), should they exist, are "bad" for humanity.

Here is a list of what the alleged aliens do to the beings on the planet:

1. They mutilate cattle and some times people
2. Most abductees are mentally scarred for life from their experience and need to see psychiatrist/psychologist on a regular basis. In fact many people who turn out to be alleged abductees did not "know" that they were abductees when they first sought the help of psychologist or psychiatrists. What the doctors discover is that their patients memories have been altered.
3. They take these people without permission.
4. They allegedly implant things into them.
5. They operate by stealth which means they do not want to caught or have their actions viewed by many.... the current state of UFO acknowledgement is usually one of ridicule.
6. It has the appearence of a military operation because some of the abductees "sing the praises" of their alien abductors as benevolent beings who want to bring peace, love and happiness - but their actions don't necessarily correlate with many others who have been abducted. What this indicates is that they are creating "allies" within their enemy's area of operations (i.e. the people of Earth are their enemy in some way). This strategy is a military tactic that is used by every military on the planet. Our own military uses it all the time. our military sends in advance forces, under cover, who seek out predefined people who fit a certain profile and we convince them to help us defeat their government. The correlation should be apparent to the tactics that are employed by these aliens. They have found willing supporters in the various "new age" philosophies that promote the "light, love and raise your frequency" crowd who look forward to these aliens one day taking them away to far off worlds; or helping mankind to be peaceful and live in harmony with the Earth/world/Universe.
7. There is circumstantial evience that they may have genetically modified humans and monitor them; and have manipulated our religious, political and governments through-out time.

If the message of these aliens was really "good" and if they meant us no harm then why all the subterfuge? It is patently apparent to me. They do not have the best interest of the human species as their primary motivating impetus. Which means they have an ulterior motive. Which is why we should all reject all aliens and their messages.... unless they can prove they are our allies - openly and without all the stealth operations.

-Euclid

Thank you for the wonderful post. I've had this theory in mind for years now, and am glad to see others who agree-Helps to confirm this in my own mind.

Graham

Originally posted by euclid
If the message of these aliens was really "good" and if they meant us no harm then why all the subterfuge?

This very same thing has been said for thousands of years about "God." After all, if God really meant the best for us, then why is this entity remain so distant and unprovable? Why require belief, when it would be so easy for it to make itself obvious? Free will? Nobody's choices or actions are free when then don't know the whole truth.

But here's an alternative explanation. The "aliens" are actually human time travelers from our own future. They interact with us in a very obtuse way because direct interaction would have such a huge, and possibly detrimental effect on the timeline that it might destroy them. That's a pretty good motivation for keeping everything on the down-low.

I find the story to be some great insight to your feelings of witnessing an event that many have never had. I find myself questioning things constantly.

While I served in the Military overseas I found solstice reading my bible and getting my soul right with what I perceive as God.

The more I delved down into my religion and the more I read bible verses I thought understood more and was getting to understand myself and God.


1) The Bible was written by Men over centuries of time, who where inspired by God.
2) Many books from the Prophets where left out of the New Testament.
3) Religion and the Bible enslaved whole nations to servitude of a God and their Kings over them
4) Just to name two, the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition.

The Crusades where a guise to take back the Holy Land from the Muslims and the Spanish Inquisition was to convert “Savages” to Christianity.

Both had underlying greed at their base, Gold and Land!

I trust you have researched both of those aspects of Religion. I digress…

Man did not evolve here on Earth (Darwinism). We where created here in the likeness of a God who came down from the heavens in a “Chariot of Fire” (Spaceship) and created Man in his likeness from the very ground he landed on (along with the help of his DNA)

* Hmm, note the above sentence "came down from the heavens".
Was not Lucifer, the Bearer of Light cast down from the heavens by God?
* We are subjects of a test conducted by whom then?
* We really have a choice between right and wrong, his subjects have a choice he lost us?

We are here to experience life and death. Something the Gods, do not have. Because some of us are them in human form Experiencing Life.

This has been a learning experience from our first life to our last life in human form.

I wish you peace and understanding in your quest to find meaning in this Life.

I found it this go around, I live with the memories of 16 lives on earth (not personalities) I have memories that come back from time to time and remind me why exactly I’ve been here.

May you find Peace this time around as I have.


VDOG.45

reply to post by Nohup


You also make some great points and I respect your opinion. To answer the claims that some abductees look forward to these "visitations"..I have read that as well and I temper my response with some knowledge gleaned from people who deal with "abuctee's" and try and help them deal with the situations.

When one takes a look at the reports of UFO abductions and the abductees accounts, one will notice that the following aspects are almost identical in most cases..

1. The aliens take the abdcutees against their will.

2. The abductees life is affected drastically.

As far as I'm concerned, this seems like a seriously threatening situation and not desirable at all. However, a lot of abductees tell their therapists and loved ones that they actually *enjoy* their encounters with the aliens and that they are eager for these creatures to return to them. At first sight, this seems like a positive thing; indicating that the aliens actually mean no harm to the abductees. However, when one takes a closer look into these cases something disturbing comes to the surface. A while back, a hypno-therapist in Santa Barbara (Donna Higbee), who treats numbers of abductees, found the following pattern in the behaviour of abductees:

1. The abductee is terrified of the so called greys and hates to be abducted by them.

2. The abductee is getting fed up with the visits of the greys and getting fed up with his life being messed around with.

3. The ubductee suddenly claims that these beings have shown him that they are very spiritual creatures and that everything that's happening is for the abductee's own good.

These are clinically documented cases, the report goes on to say:

"So now there's a large group of submissive, controlled abductees, who are passively letting the abductors do as they please with them, all in the name of spiritual progress." - Donna Higbee- I must say that I find this very disturbing. What is it that makes these people suddenly change their mind? Are the greys really spiritual beings that care for the abductees, as they claim they do? My answer is: No! No matter whatever they claim to be, or whatever they claim their motives are, their behaviour indicates directly the opposite. Let me go into this a bit further... The greys often claim that they are very spiritual creatures and that everthing is done for the abductees benefit. I think this is simply a lie. Just take a look at this..

1. The aliens come into the abductee's home, and take him/her against his/her will. (At first, that is...)

2. The abductee's lives are often completely ruined. Relationships are broken-up and contact with the outside world diminishes.

3. Many abductees suffer from severe stress and mental problems, as a result of the abduction.

4. They suppress the abductee's free will and privacy.

5. They follow their own agenda, showing no interest in the lives of the abductees, etc.

Now this facet is just dealing with the "abductee" part of the equation.
There is much more and these psychologists make their own hypothesis regarding this phenomenon.

So, even though they claim that they care for the abductees and that they do all that they do in the name of spiritual progress, their behaviour actually indicates otherwise. Obviously these beings do *not* care for the abductee's spiritual progress. And there's more... Some abductees have discovered, under hypnosis, that they had been the victim of `screen memories' that were blocking their authentic experiences. What they had remembered as a loving and joyful experience, later appeared to have been an extremely dreadful experience. So maybe it's good to question their motives in general. Are these beings really as peacefull as they often claim to be? Much to my disapointment, my answer again has to be: No, they are not! Allow me elaborate on this a bit further:

1. Other (alien?) races have come to warn the government not to deal with the greys, before the treaty between the greys and the US government was signed.

2. The greys violate law, privacy, as well as the abductee's feeling of safety.

3. They have ruined the lives of many young children, as well as adults.

4. The greys use extreme forms of manipulation on the abductees. Examples would include: screen memories, mental control, inserted devices;

5. The testings that are performed by the greys are often accompanied by sexual, physical or mental abuse. The `required' investigations could be expected to be performed painlessly through the use of anesthetics. However the abductees are often exposed to long and very painful investigations.

6. They follow their own agenda, not showing any interest about the feelings of the abductee, although they claim that they do.

7. Abductees have reported that they (often not dealt with by UFOlogists because of the negative nature of the experience) were forced to watch the greys kill hundreds of hybrids systematically.

8. Human bodies have been found in Brazil with muscles and internal organs removed, in a way very similar to that used in the mutilation of cattle. The lack of bleeding, as well as the lack of detiaration found in most of the cattle cases, was also discovered in these cases (an article -with photos?- was published in the `internation UFO magazine').

You will probably agree with me that this does not at all indicate a friendly intension from the aliens side; nor does it indicate positive motives.

The reports that abductions have been thwarted or stopped completely by calling on the name of Jesus Christ have been numerable as well. This is all part of the puzzle for your consideration.

reply to post by 1nL1ghtened


Ahhh i see what you are trying to do, Anyway nice try for a religious nut, Im sorry man i was interested at first but when you started turning to scripture and names like satan and all that you lost my interest.Sometimes i cant understand you guys really. Im sure you have good intentions but come on man, when i go to bed tonight i must first PRAY for forgiveness!!!! are you joking, Forgiveness for being born into this world by my parents choice. Im sure you are on your own personal religious spiritual journey, just dont try to force it on others.

thanks

Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by euclid
If the message of these aliens was really "good" and if they meant us no harm then why all the subterfuge?

This very same thing has been said for thousands of years about "God." After all, if God really meant the best for us, then why is this entity remain so distant and unprovable? Why require belief, when it would be so easy for it to make itself obvious? Free will? Nobody's choices or actions are free when then don't know the whole truth.

But here's an alternative explanation. The "aliens" are actually human time travelers from our own future. They interact with us in a very obtuse way because direct interaction would have such a huge, and possibly detrimental effect on the timeline that it might destroy them. That's a pretty good motivation for keeping everything on the down-low.

I have mulled over the very same questions. And this is my take on it

God created angels...whom perform specific duties for Him. They were and are WITH HIM...they see Him and Know Him...they obey out of love and or respect but are as well given "free will"...most choose to obey for the before mentioned reasons..I suspect others obey out sheer terror of his wrath having witnessed it first hand. I believe that we are fashioned after Him closer than most suspect..and that emotions are NOT limited to humans.

Its states that He is a jealous God...and a vengeful God..and he gives us very specific guidelines (The Bible) and laws to adhere to. That being said, it is my thoughts that he created man...so he could be worshiped and admired for all His majesty out of pure faith... the most sincere form of love.

You see the angels follow (or not) according to their proximity to God, they require no faith ..because they are with Him. I hope my limited vocabulary is enough to convey my meaning. We are promised dominion over all others of his creation and this angered some angels, namely Satan...that a new creation could possibly be viewed as more powerful than he....and he rebelled and took a third of the angels with him.

These are my beliefs, that I share in the hope of reaching some of those who have never had the opportunity to know Christ, who physically came to earth to DIE for all of our sins, and three days later was resurrected as a testament of Gods promise to us, only through Christ can we be with God because of our inherit wickedness and sinful nature which is a direct result of satan's tampering with us.

what if......
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we are all blowing this...everything, out of proportion. What if the theory of evolution is true? Dont get me wrong, these are not my beliefs, but what if... we are born, we live, we die. THE END. No Resurrection, No Reincarnation, just decomposition?

reply to post by SUMDUMONKEY


I understand and respect your stance. I do care for humanity... and if you read the entire thread (which you stated you didnt) this is concerning the UFO and Alien enigma. I was searching for answers to this riddle and it brought me back to God. I will not apologize for stating my opinions, and I didnt want to turn people off by the subject....but I was seeking truth as you must be by being here...this is what I found. I know its a hard pill to swallow, and I respect your opinions.

I've enjoyed reading the thread, I'm not religious at all, but I find my spirituality elsewhere, although I do have some questions.

"You believe 'God' created vast solar systems, galaxies and universes (maybe dimensions?) but created no other life?"
I ask this as, at first, I thought you believed that there was no 'space' and we were just here on earth, but later state that we haven't found life anywhere yet because there is none.

To me the question 'why?' comes to mind, why all that space just for us?

Do you consider all aliens to be demons, or the deceptive works of demons, or do you consider some to be angels aswell?

I ask as you have alluded that the people who have had 'positive' experiences to have been brain washed and were as I agree, some of them may have, I doubt they all were, remember, the greys aren't the only species that is claimed to be visiting us, yet they are the only ones (that I have read) considered to be 'hosts' to repossesed souls, or to be cybernetic.

To me good and bad aren't the cause of evil, it's a manifestation of choice and intent, same as any action and the event itself could be percieved a number of different ways, maybe we could be the demons to the rest of the universe, we ain't exactly living in paradise here, sitting innocently by, we have wreaked havoc and chaos across our planet for centuries.

We 'abduct' animals all the time, sometimes for good reasons (injured animal on the reserve?) and bad reasons....to eat them. Does this make us evil? I agree we should deserve some kind of warning, but IMO, to say their intentions are evil on these actions alone is jumping the gun a bit.

EMM

reply to post by LostChildrenOfBabylon


Then what have we lost? we could spend the rest of our lives worrying that we may have picked the wrong 'direction' but in the end, does it matter?

IF we are born, live, die, END, then we died with our lifes experiences and lessons up until the last moment, then...nothing, END.

IF on the other hand, we are reincarnated, then the path we chose will only matter for the journey, your perception of the world, you searched for questions, you did your best (hopefully), better luck next time, the end...doesn't matter.

EMM

reply to post by 1nL1ghtened


2. The greys violate law, privacy, as well as the abductee's feeling of safety.

3. They have ruined the lives of many young children, as well as adults.

4. The greys use extreme forms of manipulation on the abductees. Examples would include: screen memories, mental control, inserted devices;

5. The testings that are performed by the greys are often accompanied by sexual, physical or mental abuse. The `required' investigations could be expected to be performed painlessly through the use of anesthetics. However the abductees are often exposed to long and very painful investigations.

6. They follow their own agenda, not showing any interest about the feelings of the abductee, although they claim that they do.

I'm sure the US government would never do anything like this ![/b

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
reply to post by LostChildrenOfBabylon

 

Then what have we lost? we could spend the rest of our lives worrying that we may have picked the wrong 'direction' but in the end, does it matter?

IF we are born, live, die, END, then we died with our lifes experiences and lessons up until the last moment, then...nothing, END.

IF on the other hand, we are reincarnated, then the path we chose will only matter for the journey, your perception of the world, you searched for questions, you did your best (hopefully), better luck next time, the end...doesn't matter.

EMM

Nicely said but it doesnt bother you? I mean sometimes i think so hard that it really gets me going crazy. Even if we are reincarnated. Will we remember our previous life? Do you remember your previous life? No. You wont remember anything, You will be completely different. You will not be, You. So how is it defined reincarnated if you cant even identify yourself..

Nicely said but it doesnt bother you? I mean sometimes i think so hard that it really gets me going crazy. Even if we are reincarnated. Will we remember our previous life? Do you remember your previous life? No. You wont remember anything, You will be completely different. You will not be, You. So how is it defined reincarnated if you cant even identify yourself..

We're getting a bit off topic, but I will answer quickly. Nope, I don't remember my past life/lives, but I can only hope that I will in the next life. I see it as a process, evolution of the soul.

We experience different facets of life, trying to seek a path, a way forward. I believe we have a 'higher conscious' that does know all our past lives, yet we only get 'glimpses' of this through intuition, creativity and introspection, it is a goal to understand ourselves and our place in the universe aswell as understand the universe itself, hopefully one day, I will be able to control this relationship, although at the moment, I am just thankful it tells me anything, lol.

bit longer than I meant, but if it's in there, may aswell get it out.

EMM

Originally posted by LostChildrenOfBabylon

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
reply to post by LostChildrenOfBabylon

 

the end...doesn't matter.

EMM

Nicely said but it doesnt bother you? I mean sometimes i think so hard that it really gets me going crazy. Even if we are reincarnated. Will we remember our previous life? Do you remember your previous life? No. You wont remember anything, You will be completely different. You will not be, You. So how is it defined reincarnated if you cant even identify yourself..

Oh, I can't agree with this.
As you said "sometimes i think so hard that i really gets me going crazy." That exactly the point ... the THINKING (with the mind).
When You (not the generally used and known You) consciously re-incarnate then You Do Know ... your previous lifes and your next lifes, the end, etc. The SOUL does all know that! ... not the Mind
A consciously highly evolved soul does know it's mission and incarnates as long as the mission needs to be fullfilled ...
And the End does definetly matter then too.

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