The Greatest Deception of Mankind

I would like to start this thread by stating that this was a post , to another thread(that I have since stricken)..because I believe that this is too important to be buried and obscured. I know that this opens myself to ridicule and to persecution, I am not concerned with that..nor am I worried about popularity or notoriety...only the truth. I do not need my ego to be stroked, and I am NOT addicted to approval of the herd. Its not about me, more to the point its about mankind...and the battle for souls.





It is my belief at this time that the "greys" and other "ET" races are not at all what they seem. According to research over the years they appear to be genetically engineered puppets or shells if you will, that are inhabited by unclean spirits or what many refer to as demons.




"I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell on earth to be there [in the presence of the entities], and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't get away. I'd lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and sinister. Of course they were demons. They had to be. And they were here and I couldn't get away."
-Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 181



Now, I want to add here that when researching this subject I of course had my own opinions and pre-concieved notions as to what they were and what UFO's are. I personally believed them to be of extraterrestrial origin (or aliens) and their craft to be "nuts and bolts" but with incredible, possibly trans-dimensional properties.

The UFO I saw 12 years ago at a distance of 20 or so feet, for a duration of approximately 2-3 minutes is what got me interested. This was no little light flashing and moving erratically in the sky...this was a large craft, crescent moon shaped enveloped in what I can only describe as "green fire"...right over my car.

I was completely awe struck...amazed and to be honest, excited! That is until...the end of the encounter....as it was leaving, slowly to my right...I had the most unmistakable feeling of dread and menace. Now remember....I was standing there, under this thing, thinking to myself 'WOW this is sooo cool!' I was witnessing (what I thought at the time ) an actual craft from another world! ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE! There was NO WAY this thing was ours I don't care what anyone says.... heres where it gets dicey...I was elated...amazed...and happy...to be witnessing this object..so my mood was one of excitement. But as this thing was slowly moving away...I experienced the most dreadful feelings of utter, total and unabashed hatred coming from the occupants of this craft .

I couldnt believe it...I just witnessed (along with my girlfriend at the time) one of the most amazing sights I had ever seen. I cant explain in words the sheer WOW factor to this sighting... but it was completely ruined by the absolute, unequivocal, thoughts of malice and hatred, projected to me...by the occupants of this craft.

I know how that sounds...but as hard as it is to relay this to you...it was as if...they (its seemed there were four or more entities) projected these feelings into my mind...or as if I was able, for a fleeting moment to read their thoughts...and it was horrible. Absolutely NOT what I expected. I was actually enjoying seeing this thing...I mean a real freakin UFO right in my face WOW. So, to continue...I chalked up these "feelings" as part of the "shock" process, as I feel anyone who witnesses something like this, so close and UNDENIABLE, has to go into some mild form of shock.

Being a hardcore "show me skeptic", I must say I was completely blown away and that started my quest for knowledge on the UFO topic. I was under the impression that this phenom was in fact a "nuts and bolts" and or "extraterrestrial" issue.

When I really looked closely at this enigma..I couldn't help but to come away with a completely different answer that what I presumed it to be.. I strongly encourage others to research and come to conclusions for them selves. I will not state, that I have all the answers and that what I (and many others) have concluded is in fact the truth of the matter. This mystery is multi-faceted and so over saturated with dis-info and (possibly well intentioned) mis-interpretations...that it is a truly daunting task to ascertain any truth...and I believe that is by design.

I add this for people to consider. Yes, in fact I do believe the Gov. knows what they are.. keeping that in mind, how could any "discloser" take place? What are they going to say to us?

The Government:

"Citizens of Earth...we have concluded that the phenomenon known as UFO's and the supposed "alien" occupants are in fact demons of the Bible...and are physical manifestations of said entities. They hate you all and want you to die, horrible, painful deaths and suffer for eternity along with them. Satan has figured out a way to clone physical beings or shells from various animal and plant life to allow his minions to inhabit this physical plane to delude and fool mankind into searching for life on other planets...instead of taking care of our own here on Earth...we have all been fooled and there is NOTHING we can do about it, we're sorry..may GOD help us all...."

Yea, thats NOT going to happen...so the "disclosure" your all waiting for will never happen. They "greys" Im afraid, are not at all what you have been conditioned to think they are...



If you have read to this point and still ponder upon this and still think this to be a bunch of bovine fecal matter, then you have been duped into believing a lie. Now if you are still reading this and still question to yourself that there may be a shred of truth in it, then say a quiet prayer to yourself and FIRST ask for forgiveness then ask for divine discernment. Without John 3:16 in your heart NONE of this will make any sense to you.

In closing I would like to say; that the whole UFO and alien enigma, is all a clever RUSE by Satan to get mankind to look for life in the heavens instead of looking inwardly and seeking God. This will be my last post concerning this subject, I have wasted far too many years on this topic and I was fooled as well... however I will be happy to answer any and all questions related to this or how one can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If you truly seek God He will NEVER hide the truth from you. (Seeking being the key word.)

Your humble servant,

1nL1ghtened

Thank you for your post and your anecdote. However, you're story has 3 fatal flaws in its assumption that:

A) All alien entities are malevolent

B) Assumption that the Bible is a factual account and not even slightly distorted by man

C) Using your experience and a central point of knowledge, instead of using the collective experience of ET contact testimony to draw a conclusion.

If you are a true "show me" skeptic, the Bible should be one of the first works to examine.



[edit on 13-8-2008 by NightVision]

1In,
It is a good theory that I am not sure has been mentioned on ATS. Maybe provide an answer to at least a piece of the puzzle.

BP

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Bless your heart - you'll get no ridicule from me...But I would advise (Ephesians chapter 6 -) to put on the whole armor of G-d as instructed there - everyday without fail...speak it - because faith comes by what?....by hearing!! and hearing by the word of G-d.
with great love in Yeshua/Christ
Mel

1nL1ghtened,

I gave you star because I think your post is very well written. I too have gone back and forth between "nuts & bolts" and some other higher dimensional entity explanation.

I really enjoyed you relating your personal story while supporting your beliefs with quotes by well known ufologist and experiencer Whitley Strieber. Here are two comments I have:

1) I believe there to be an insufficient amount of data on the human psyche during such supernatural encounters. I know there have been studies of psychology as the mind experiences feelings of fear, fascination and awe (all of which I presume one experiences when encountering an alien/ufo). However, encountering another intelligence superior to human beings might take these feelings to another level. As human beings we have been conditioned since birth to believe that we are the ultimate form of "life" or intelligence... only under the eternal/universal creator. I guess what I'm asking is: Could your feelings of dread be a deep psychological experience which only manifests itself in times of extreme disbelief, awe, terror, wonder and all the emotions which rushed to your senses during this encounter?

2) You seem pretty adamantly opposed to the idea of "nuts & bolts" craft and have settled on the idea of demons/Satan inhabiting souless three-dimensional bodies (like the greys). While I have read accounts of terrible feelings brought about by these beings/enigma, I have also read about positive experiences. Do you honestly feel your religious background isn't influencing your judgement on the phenomenon? Are you predisposed to believing in the bible and therefore this must be the work of the devil? Since people have experienced negative and positive could this be the enigma's way of creating confusion/disinformation to hide another agenda which is simply unknown to us?

Hey!

Wow that was...something...

I'm not sure what to think at the moment.
If you know dnbaudio's thread I personnaly believe in that.
This almost the opposite of what he's saying.

So I'm torn on who to believe.... But I'm going to stay neutral on this.
That aside, here are my questions.

1) Like Night Vision said How do you know ALL aliens are evil?
Why can't there be a nice race of aliens out there protecting us?

2) Have you had any further experiences with UFO's?

3) What does your girlfriend think about your UFO experience?

4) Finally, Do you have anything that might attract them? Such as say, an item you were carrying, High IQ or maybe a really cool car?

Thanks for your time!

Oh and I agree with the guy above me, and his second point, because I believe that the Satan part may be a little far fetched.

Sincerely,
joshedis

P.S I agree with the guy above me, and his second point, because I believe that the Satan part may be a little farfetched

[edit on 13-8-2008 by joshedis]

Originally posted by NightVision
Thank you for your post and your anecdote. However, you're story has 3 fatal flaws in its assumption that:

A) All alien entities are malevolent

It is not a popular opinion..but I do not believe in "aliens" I believe that there are "entities" who would like us all to believe them to be extraterrestrial.

B) Assumption that the Bible is a factual account and not even slightly distorted by man

This is a touchy subject to be sure..when ever you mix religion with cult beliefs there are bound to be misinterpretations, you really have to look within yourself and truly SEEK God, to be able to discern . I believe every human whether they want to admit it publically or not KNOWS deep down there is a God a "Supreme Creator".... how many cultures mirror this opinion?

C) Using your experience and a central point of knowledge, instead of using the collective experience of ET contact testimony to draw a conclusion.

I have drawn these conclusions after literally YEARS of research. Not just my personal experiences..which are admittedly limited..but I draw from those of others that have far more credentials than myself and are considered experts in their field.

Examples:

There is a French Astrophysicist by the name of Jacques Vallee. He began his career as an Astronomer in the 1960s. He had a mentor an Astrophysicist named J. Allen Hynek, who worked as an advisor on the Air Force's UFO studies Project Sign, Grudge, and Bluebook. Hynek was initially skeptical of UFOs. He was the man who originated the use of the Swamp Gas explanation. By the 1970s he had changed his mind about the phenomena but he could not accept an extraterrestrial hypothesis.

"I have come to support less and less the idea that UFOs are 'nuts and bolts' spacecrafts from other worlds. There are just too many things going against this theory. To me, it seems ridiculous that super intelligences would travel great distances to do relatively stupid things like stop cars, collect soil samples, and frighten people. I think we must begin to re-examine the evidence. We must begin to look closer to home." (Vallee, Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception, 290)

"If you object, I ask you to explain – quantitatively, not qualitatively – the reported phenomena of materialization and dematerialization, of shape changes, of the noiseless hovering in the earth's gravitational field, accelerations that – for an appreciable mass – require energy sources far beyond present capabilities – even theoretical capabilities, the well-known and often reported E-M (sc. electro-magnetic interference) effect, the psychic effects on percipients, including purported telepathic communications." (Stringfield, 44)

If you are a true "show me" skeptic, the Bible should be one of the first works to examine.

I have, and this is where my personal experiences...life experiences comes into play...this is a deeply personal issue. There have been things that have happened in my life that has proved to me the existence of God. I truly understand where you are coming from and I wish I was better qualified to give you an absolute answer. It is something that comes with a personal relationship with God. The Holy Spirit will provide the diligent with divine discernment. That doesn't make me special..or better than anyone...every person on this planet has the opportunity to do so. I encourage you to whole heartedly search and I will be happy to help anyone in any way I can...that is why I offered this thread.


I would like to add that I approached this enigma, at the start from a purely scientific stand point...not thinking in any way it could even be remotely intertwined with my personal religious beliefs....imagine my surprise. That is why I feel it so very important to put this out there, I was completely fooled.

2 Thessalonians 2 (New American Standard Bible)

1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,

2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?

6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;

9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.

11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

14 It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace,

17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word.

that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

There are many more I can quote from, alleged abductees and the conclusions of their therapists.

I have run out of room ... thanks for your thoughts.

For the life of me I can't remember who it was-- I want to say it was Steve Quayle but don't quote me!-- had a theory that aliens and other "spiritual" entities are all interdimensional. As such, they all feel "evil" to us, that is the biological reaction that we have upon meeting someone who is composed of matter from another dimension.

Not to say that there aren't evil beings out there, I beleive that there are. But I think that we often think that they *all* are, and wrongly so.

reply to post by BlackProjects


Thank for your comments BP...I agree this subject has been so twisted and misinterpreted (possibly by myself as well) it is close to impossible to discern the truth by ourselves, that is why I leaned on God for His wisdom and understanding...not my own. I wish everyone success on their own personal journey for the truth.

reply to post by realshanti


Thank you for the kind words and the sound advice. I believe that being we were ALL created by God...and He is within us all...that most people will find this to be true, if they are open and truly seek to know the truth.

"for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rules of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." ephesians 6:12

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I believe you are right on. I think it's funny that they have even been coined as "extra terrestrials" and no body sees it right in front of there noses. Last time I looked up "Extra" it meant "exceeding or left over, remnant" and terrestrial meant "Land", bringing us to read "Remnant of the land".

Shouldn't they really be called "extra-celestial"?

Remember the 3 spirits that come out of the anti-anointed, false prophet, and beast look like frogs...just like a gray

...Nice post...Blessings

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
If you truly seek God He will NEVER hide the truth from you. (SeeKing being the key word.)
,,,
There have been things that have happened in my life that has proved to me the existence of God. I truly understand where you are coming from and I wish I was better qualified to give you an absolute answer. It is something that comes with a personal relationship with God. The Holy Spirit will provide the diligent with divine discernment. That doesn't make me special..or better than anyone...every person on this planet has the opportunity to do so. I encourage you to whole heartedly search and I will be happy to help anyone in any way I can...that is why I offered this thread.

You got some stars from me too.
Perfectly worded! Great to read. Welcome hOMe!

BlesSINGs

[edit on 13/8/2008 by guard]

Why would an evil spirit conduct biological medical type procedures on humans? Why would they take our dna? Why would evil spirits create hybrids with their and our dna?

And what about this bible passage: Job 38: 31 KJV "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"

Binding and loosing does seem to apply to negative and positive forces, but not necessarily spirits.

By the way, after many sightings and my brothers missing time, and many signs pointing to things such as scoop marks, sighting of a grey, and a possible memory, I've questioned my mother and grandmother. My mother was shocked just recently to see pictures of the greys, she has seen these frequently in her dreams and believes exactly what you do, that these are skins for evil spirits. My 87 year old grandmother, who has always had a strong Christian faith, told me, after I shared what my children and I had seen recently, that she awoke briefly to being frightened because something was in her room watching her, and it had come in through the window. She immediately fell back to sleep, as if forced to sleep. She also told me it was possible that Jesus was an et too! I was shocked that despite her strong faith she had thought of that possibility.

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Thanks Scramjet... you have some excellent points and pose some great questions!

I would just like to reiterate that I do not (nor does anyone) have all the answers. That being said, I went into this just searching for the facts, and though I was a "Christian" I must state that I was extremely backsliden. In other words I did not attend church and was not a "practicing Christian".... yes I think that in order to understand my stance that my "pre-disposition to Christianity... my personal beliefs do in fact play a role...it would be foolish to assume otherwise...but I would like to emphasize that when researching this subject I thought it to be something COMPLETELY different than my current conclusions...I do believe that there ARE in fact physical manifestations... I believe that the crash at Roswell DID happen...I believe that physical bodies (biological shells) were in fact recovered...satans deception is multi-faceted and cunning... so I do in fact believe that some of the occurrences are in fact "nuts and bolts"..just not the way we understand it...more like props..if you will.

Thx again for your post.

[edit on 8/13/2008 by 1nL1ghtened]

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


Excellent points of reference, thank you also for your contribution....I can just pray that others may see the light, because its not just an issue of right or wrong its a battle for our very souls and the enemy is a master of deception.

reply to post by 1nL1ghtened


good thread and thanks for posting your theory,

many people will automatically rule out this theory as a possibility because they don't want to believe that the UFO phenomenon could be tied to God in some way , and those that do dismiss these possibility's are foolish imo.

It is my belief at this time that the "greys" and other "ET" races are not at all what they seem. According to research over the years they appear to be genetically engineered puppets or shells if you will, that are inhabited by unclean spirits or what many refer to as demons.

i have thought about this for a long time and my thoughts about the grey's are they are up to no good, and when you look at the witness story's of encounters it proves they are Evil creatures.

i believe the Greys are changing the DNA structure of man by creating hybrids on purpose. the Annunaki did this also and God flooded the earth to get rid of the abominations of his creation.

seems to me they are attempting to do it again and i believe Jesus said he would be returning when it was like the day's of Noah.

love this topic...star and flag from me




[edit on 13-8-2008 by easynow]

Originally posted by mystiq
Why would an evil spirit conduct biological medical type procedures on humans? Why would they take our dna? Why would evil spirits create hybrids with their and our dna?

And what about this bible passage: Job 38: 31 KJV "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"

Binding and loosing does seem to apply to negative and positive forces, but not necessarily spirits.

By the way, after many sightings and my brothers missing time, and many signs pointing to things such as scoop marks, sighting of a grey, and a possible memory, I've questioned my mother and grandmother. My mother was shocked just recently to see pictures of the greys, she has seen these frequently in her dreams and believes exactly what you do, that these are skins for evil spirits. My 87 year old grandmother, who has always had a strong Christian faith, told me, after I shared what my children and I had seen recently, that she awoke briefly to being frightened because something was in her room watching her, and it had come in through the window. She immediately fell back to sleep, as if forced to sleep. She also told me it was possible that Jesus was an et too! I was shocked that despite her strong faith she had thought of that possibility.

Excellent questions!

That is why some "channeled" entities give messages of kindness and or hope for humanity.... its a lie to get the medium or abductee to BELIEVE THE LIE.... the deception is really pure genius if you think about it...

Now remember..this is NOT the answer I was looking for..I thought absolutely there are other "beings or aliens". In fact my argument was this, if God in His awesome creative genius...created us...surely he created others...but I believe this NOT to be the case, why is it that NASA is so insistent that they have not found life anywhere yet....mabey because they ACTUALLY HAVEN'T....think about it.

Remember the 3 spirits that come out of the anti-anointed, false prophet, and beast look like frogs...just like a gray

...Nice post...Blessings

this is a new one for me.. could u direct me to where this is from..


great post btw 1nl1ghtened.. i came across a few websites regarding this possibility.. not sure if i believe it yet, but there is a lot of info on it.. cant think of the sites off hand but will post as soon as i find them

sorry misspelling..lol

[edit on 13-8-2008 by scorand]

Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by 1nL1ghtened

 

good thread and thanks for posting your theory,

many people will automatically rule out this theory as a possibility because they don't want to believe that the UFO phenomenon could be tied to God in some way and to for those that do dismiss these possibility's are foolish imo.

Thank you for your reply. I knew there will be those who will even violently appose this idea. Thats ok...as I stated I am not afraid of ridicule or even the scorn of my peers. I am a sincere individual and I only offer my personal findings, and thats all any of us can do. The really hard part of this whole thing is...we have been conditioned to believe differently. And that poses more questions.... UFO's and encounters with entities have been around since recored time. The enemy is cunning and ancient...and knows the hearts of men better than they do.

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Thanks scorand I appreciate the help. There is alot of info out there done by people better educated than myself. Despite my own shortcomings I felt it necessary to try and get the word out to people, because this is important.

Any and all help in this matter is paramount to be able to reach those who are completely bamboozled.